Theories on Julius

[superpunk]

So your theory is that Bill coaches his RBs to run into piles, but all the very good backs he has coached in his career only succeeded because they didn't listen to him?

Are you serious?

This is clearly the most logical and reasonable explanation.

 

[ZenItRam]

DTK, I guess you missed the several times that BP chewed out MB as regards free lancing. But then I hate to dispell your fantasies. I can tell that you are getting a little hot and bothered, and I really do not like to pop peoples bubbles, so I will ignore you from now on. Have a nice day.

:laugh2:

This is the truth ... again MBIII fans seem to be wearing rose colored glasses.

 

[burmafrd]

BP tells his RB's to go where the play is designed- and the more fortwright ones can pick and choose what they listen to- LIKE ROMO DOES. Sadly, I think that JJ is totally intimidated by BP into not following his own instincts like he did as a Rookie.

 

[DipChit]

Just maybe Curtis Martin was willing to defy BP and run his way as well as BP's way. Sadly, I do not think that JJ is willing to defy BP. So he will run the way BP has said time and again he wants- and take no chances and do no free lancing.

Maybe so. And in the meantime maybe JJ should do the same thing or hit the road. Because lately he's not doing himself, BP or us any good.

It's not that much different than the DB thing. Yeah if everything were just so he could have some success. But you take the same line that had issues blocking for him and put a diff QB back there suddenly the results were different.

Anybody complainig about those results? Other than those that like their QB 's to be 6'5 statues with rocket arms and as such would want him back there at all costs.

Jones is a good kid.. but at the moment regardless of the reason he's bringing nothing much more to the table than any 2nd stringer from any other team would bring if given those same carries.

 

[wileedog]

BP tells his RB's to go where the play is designed- and the more fortwright ones can pick and choose what they listen to- LIKE ROMO DOES. Sadly, I think that JJ is totally intimidated by BP into not following his own instincts like he did as a Rookie.

Yes, he wants backs to follow the play.

I highly, and I mean highly doubt that translates to "ignore gaping holes in the line of scrimmage"

What BP hates is off tackle plays that a RB tries to bounce outside where there are no blockers. I'm sure he is more than fine with JJ or Barber finding an unexpected cutback lane and taking it. Martin made a living on it, and I don't recall Bill ever lamenting in a PC that Curtis was freelancing on him.

And all of this has nothing to do with JJ consistently being arm-tackled by the first guy to get within 5 yards of him.

I do think JJ is having massive confidence problems and he looks tentative. But that's nobodies fault but his own.

 

[InmanRoshi]

So your theory is that Bill coaches his RBs to run into piles, but all the very good backs he has coached in his career only succeeded because they didn't listen to him?

Are you serious?

Yes, sadly, he is.

 

[Iago33]

Can anyone actually remember the last time JJ broke a tackle?

What?
I saw JJ break two tackles before the line of scrimmage on the same run Sat. night.

 

[Tuna Helper]

BP tells his RB's to go where the play is designed- and the more fortwright ones can pick and choose what they listen to- LIKE ROMO DOES. Sadly, I think that JJ is totally intimidated by BP into not following his own instincts like he did as a Rookie.

This is correct. I remember BP stating that JJ runs on instinct instead of trusting his blockers.

Also, if you watched the NFL Network before the Saturday night game, there is a clip of BP getting ticked off over a RB not going where the play is designed during training camp.

I wonder who that RB was?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

SO, you believe that all players respond to coaching the same way?

I mean, don't get me wrong here, Julius could do a better job running the ball and hit the holes better, but to say that he does not have the talent to do it is not supported by his past play. I just don't think he can get a balance between his own instincts and the coaching that he has been given.

Just like ROMO said a few weeks ago. When he hears BP talk, 75% of it just rolls off his back. I think nothing rolls off JJ's back and he is not trusting his instincts anymore.

Well said.

I don't see what's so wrong about saying that even Hall of Fame coaches don't make the right call 100% of the time in getting the most out of every single player, but some posters take great offense to it, don't they?

 

[MRTRIPOD]

the problem is is vision

the guy picks the wrong hole almost every time

 

[DipChit]

I don't see what's so wrong about saying that even Hall of Fame coaches don't make the right call 100% of the time in getting the most out of every single player, but some posters take great offense to it, don't they?

Theres nothing really wrong with it but by the same token, of all the positions on the field, RB is prolly the one that needs coaching the least. It's almost all talent and instinct.

You dont have to learn moves to beat people 1 on 1 in the trenches, how to run proper, crisp routes.. to learn coverage schemes, how to take proper tackling angles, learn the true strength and weaknesses of individual players you face etc etc.

If "coaching" is keeping him from being all he can be as a runner he outta say screw that and just be who he is. For one thing no coach is gonna argue with it if it's truly successful and even if he does so what? You'll be showcasing yourself to other teams that would take you with open arms if you became available.

Until he changes he's not doing himself or the team any good.

At the current rate he'll be another one of those dudes that BP has someone google 15 years from now.

 

[Cochese]

So your theory is that Bill coaches his RBs to run into piles, but all the very good backs he has coached in his career only succeeded because they didn't listen to him?

Are you serious?

:laugh2:

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Well like it or not... we continue to start JJ and then pound with MB3... as long as JJ protects the ball then we stay this course... its just BP's way.... he will get MB3 a few more carries here and there and some earlier

 

[Doomsday101]

Only problem I see with Jones is he tends not to let the hole develope before running it up into the line which is why I think he tends to run delay type runs better.

 

[Doomsday]

So your theory is that Bill coaches his RBs to run into piles, but all the very good backs he has coached in his career only succeeded because they didn't listen to him?

Are you serious?

Sounds reasonable, if your JJ apolagist. You have to blame someone.

 

[Haley94]

the problem is is vision

the guy picks the wrong hole almost every time

Yup, you said it. Vision and a lack of understanding of what the defense are trying to do. He also gets taken down by the ankles much too often.

Still, I wouldn't change our approach at this point. I like having Barber fresh in the 4th quarter.

 

[heavyg]

JuJo did not make anyone forget Barry... I think JuJo problem is his lack of leg drive!!! the 10lbs u say he gain was where? upper body... does alot of good for a RB!!!

his first year he was running on fresh legs... not sure he has that type of success had he played the entire year!!!

Bingo!! He may have put on some weight but it WAS all upper body. His legs are very small for a running back. He can not push through tackles.

 

[redfog]

You are nuts if you think Barber is mediocre. The man has as good of balance as any back in the NFL, and I mean any back. Jones is running right now as if he is mediocre I will agree, but to call Barber mediocre at this point is pretty ridiculous.

Do you really think he can run like that with 25 carries a game? The guy is talented but he hasnt proven to be an every down back. Until he does, yes, he is mediocre. When he start running hard on every down like other elite backs and catching out the backfield then he will be excellent in my book. Blocking is also important. An every down must be able to do all of that and more. All 3 backs (Westbrook, Tiki, Portis) in the NFC East alone are better than Barber. Until we can get an elite back, we will not win any big games.

 

[nicodywill]

Do you really think he can run like that with 25 carries a game? The guy is talented but he hasnt proven to be an every down back. Until he does, yes, he is mediocre. When he start running hard on every down like other elite backs and catching out the backfield then he will be excellent in my book. Blocking is also important. An every down must be able to do all of that and more. All 3 backs (Westbrook, Tiki, Portis) in the NFC East alone are better than Barber. Until we can get an elite back, we will not win any big games.

yeah your right we haven't won any big games this year. ok sure we haven't define the word big, pretty broad word to use, they only play 25 a year i'd say they're all pretty big especially in our division

 

[burmafrd]

Interesting how JJ tied the NFL record with 3 30 carry games in a row that Campbell held. Interesting to see MB take that load. JJ averaged almost 28 carries a game the last 7 games of 2004.