News: There’s no doubt something happened behind the scenes with Cooper

[CouchCoach]

I call it corporate culture. It gets sets in and hard to break. I have been part of many organizations and it's fascinating to see the differences. As I said very difficult to change and it starts at the top. Although we changed coaches, we didn't change the way we did things. A football team, organization is no different and not immune.

You hire a CEO and give him power to do things his way. You don't hire a head coach and then not give him full control, ala not allow him to dictate offense and allow players to bypass him and go to the owner ( in thjs case it's important to note the GM is the owner with all the power).

Jerry handicaps the coaches and the team and organization. Marketing is highest priority and winning is secondary. Jerry makes excuses for everyone and players and coaches know it thus there is no sense of urgency. The passion to hate to lose is not there. Even new players get used to it after a while.

Booger wants the Cowboys to be a white collar team, which was their rap back in the 60's, finesse, soft and CLE and GB were all about smash mouth football. Landry hated that label and worked to change it.

Only my opinion, but a blue collar player isn't all over social media and in the spotlight. The Cowboys have too many players playing the role of a football player for the media. Why else would you get a DE on a mediocre DL trying to give them a nickname. It's not Lawrence's fault, it's the showbiz virus that too many players catch and that causes them to buy into it's what it is, it is how it looks.

What other team in all sports history knows that most of the eyes will be on them and that has little to do with what they've accomplished, they are an attraction.

Johnson built a blue collar team, even had the triplets but they were not spotlight seekers. Parcells tried to build one but Booger was having none of that so he brought the attraction, Owens, in.

And I am not criticizing Booger for his approach, that is how he sees the game and has said that, it is all about entertainment. And he has been very successful with his Big Top.

 

[Pantone282C]

It probably will bite us. Doesn’t mean it’s not the right move. They know what the issue is. If you hear Michael Irvin talk on Amari you can pretty much hear how this team feels about him. He’s telling you guys. I wouldn’t have cut him but I respect them for doing it.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

 

[Pantone282C]

Even if the Massage Creeper gets suspended?

 

[Pantone282C]

Jerry’s fascination with talking about players makes no sense. They made the decision to move on. How bout focusing on the players that are here instead of talking Cooper or Gregory, he is trying to hard to justify the moves that the team made this year. (All which I don’t have problem with)

Drives me straight up the wall and around the bend that Jerry just has to talk about locker room stuff.
Ongoing stream of conscious - what goes in his head comes out his mouth!

 

[Hawkeye0202]

He had a ton of nagging injuries the last couple of years or at least it appears. Not sure if it's true but I heard rumors he was hardly ever practicing. In fact, one tweet suggested coaches stop worrying about him. Start letting him do his own thing.

 

[Creeper]

I never listen to what Jerry Jones has to say anymore. Everything he says is in defense of Jerry Jones.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Booger wants the Cowboys to be a white collar team, which was their rap back in the 60's, finesse, soft and CLE and GB were all about smash mouth football. Landry hated that label and worked to change it.

Only my opinion, but a blue collar player isn't all over social media and in the spotlight. The Cowboys have too many players playing the role of a football player for the media. Why else would you get a DE on a mediocre DL trying to give them a nickname. It's not Lawrence's fault, it's the showbiz virus that too many players catch and that causes them to buy into it's what it is, it is how it looks.

What other team in all sports history knows that most of the eyes will be on them and that has little to do with what they've accomplished, they are an attraction.

Johnson built a blue collar team, even had the triplets but they were not spotlight seekers. Parcells tried to build one but Booger was having none of that so he brought the attraction, Owens, in.

And I am not criticizing Booger for his approach, that is how he sees the game and has said that, it is all about entertainment. And he has been very successful with his Big Top.

That's on point. As a football organization your first and top goal should be to win championships. It starts with owner and then on down. Our owner GM goal is to make the franchise more valuable. Thus what you described happens. It's about marketing, news etc. I posted ona separate thread Jerry's thoughts on bad news, which the media likes and it's good for business

It all becomes distractions. It's our corporate culture. Until Jerry gives full control to a coach, truly full control we are going to be the same. It's not our talent that holds us back. It's Jerry.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

Yet Lamb gets 1 for 21 but he's special? Where was he and what was he doing?

And the QB completes 53% for 1 TD (to Cooper) and 1 pick. That's not the kind of production you get from a franchise QB in the playoffs.

That game was a team loss and the only player I would give a pass to was Vander Eash, he outplayed Parsons.

When the TE leads the team in receptions in a playoff game and the offense is not set up for that, most of the time they lose. They were set up to be a vertical passing team and they failed.

And 67 yards rushing to 167 yards in the playoffs is the reason they lost that game. Playoffs are still about running the ball and stopping the run, they did neither.

I am not defending Cooper, I never thought he was a top level WR, he lacks that killer instinct. He is a great route runner but he does not have great hands and I think his will to win is team based. Some players are like that. Guys like Irvin and Bryant were more individual based, they were not going to let that guy take them out of the game. They took the game personally.

In fairness to @Pass2Run , I didn't see where he called Lamb "special". Although maybe he has said so in another thread.

I pretty much agree with everything both of you said. I do think Lamb has more fight in him than Cooper ever will, but he needs to clean up his concentration issues. I'm not sure if I believe he is a true number one, but we will find out soon.

Cooper was way too apathetic for my liking. Even though I prefer the way Novacek acted compared to Owens after a touchdown grab, I would have like to have seen a lot more fight in him. My memory isn't what it once was but I remember an away game two years ago where it was raining hard and cold. Cooper spent most of the game on the sideline with a leg injury.

The following week was a home game and he caught a pass over the middle and the "injured leg" took a hard hit while his foot was firmly planted. It looked bad enough to me where I thought he was done for the season. But he got up and finished the game showing no ill-effects from the hit.

I wasn't his biggest fan before that, but it did sour me on him. In my humble opinion, I think of him the same way I did Lett. Lett could have had a hall of fame career if he played every down to the best of his ability. I believe he had all the tools to have been mentioned with the greats. But I don't think he played up to his potential. I know we are all built differently, I just hate to see real talent in any profession go to waste. Waste is probably not the right word, but you're a smart guy and I'm sure you understand what I mean.

Sorry for the long reply, I don't post much because I don't know when to stop and hit the post reply button.

Have a great weekend.

 

[Loso86]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...upgrade-over-amari-cooper-as-a-no-1-receiver/

But Jones acknowledged Cooper had his issues and that Lamb has the makings of more a complete No. 1 receiver in “production, in the huddle and off the field.”

He’s a better #1 because he’s an upgrade off the field…? What does that even mean? Amari was a boy scout.

Something definitely happened last season that soured the team on Amari. Maybe it was the reported outbursts at Dak. Maybe the team asked him to take a pay cut. But CeeDee is a preferable option because he’s not making 20m$ a year, not because he’s proven to be superior on the football field. To outright say you prefer him over Amari implies there’s something more going on there.

It cant be by accident that both the Raiders and Cowboys got rid of him knowing how talented he is

 

[817Gill]

The Kirk Cousins comparison likely really happened despite many
claiming it was "patently false".

It was from a Twitter site called Ballsack Sports that has gotten famous for this. They make fake quotes that seem real and since they have a big following those quotes get re-tweeted and people don’t read the source so they end up believing it.

True story there have been multiple almost beefs in the NBA from this page. Before people realized that it was a satirical page multiple instances happened where players thought another player said something slanderous due to that page.

It was funny at first but now it’s just plain sad because it exposes how little we actually explore our sources. That quote was 100% unequivocally false.

 

[Vtwin]

It's going to be fascinating to see the Dak/Ceedee relationship evolve over this season and next. Ceedee is playing for his first big contract. Obviously, he is going to need/want to get his opportunities. So far, every #1 receiver of the last six years has pretty much been run out of town.

Stay tuned....

 

[DFWJC]

Or maybe it was because he had 180yds total after the catch? And for your information that was dead last among all receivers with 800+ receiving. Take the Dak obsession to the “other” thread please.

fwiw, he did complain some about Dak.
Which is a huge no-no in general. Not b/c it's Dak but because you just don't do that.

And related to your comment, he felt ball placement and decision-making was part of why his YAC was low.

But again, you don't say that stuff out loud.

I also think the anti-vaxx stance (right or wrong) soured Jerry some.

Btw, I was fine with us parting w/ Cooper at his slary. Wish we wouldn't traded him a few weeks later, as we would've gotten more.

 

[Typhus]

It's going to be fascinating to see the Dak/Ceedee relationship evolve over this season and next. Ceedee is playing for his first big contract. Obviously, he is going to need/want to get his opportunities. So far, every #1 receiver of the last six years has pretty much been run out of town.

Stay tuned....

CD will be looking for his next ticket more than likely, but he is going to give it his best go with radio.

 

[Typhus]

He walks like a hater, quacks like a hater……typhoid is a dak hater. Lol

Im a lover first, but if you piss me off long enough I can be a bit bitter at times.
I would give you a big hug and take you fishing Roy.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Im a lover first, but if you piss me off long enough I can be a bit bitter at times.
I would give you a big hug and take you fishing Roy.

noodling for sure. I’m sure we’d have a blast.

 

[Truck]

Or maybe it was because he had 180yds total after the catch? And for your information that was dead last among all receivers with 800+ receiving. Take the Dak obsession to the “other” thread please.

Cooper Krupp’s YAC was 647. That’s how bad Amari was

 

[Truck]

I guessing ( heard/read ) Coop was all about Coop....beating to his own drum.

And Jerry don’t like competition

 

[Cowfan75]

We already know what that "something" was: he talked bad about Dak. We just bet the farm on Dak and he has to be on a pedestal around here, no matter if he wins or not. That's really the only thing Jery won't tolerate.

 

[birdwells1]

Lots of reasons to get just a little less target. The JAG TE got 80 plus catches and was top 5 in most categories. Not a kittle, Kelce, Andrews type TE but good enough to have to be accounted for. Plus CD second year and he naturally got better and we had Gallup come back and later take some targets away nd then there was Wilson who stayed healthy for first time and then pollard out of back field. So there were a lot more targets and only one ball. Plus Dak second half of season problems

Your last sentence is as much the problem as the front office. He has to learn how to efficiently dissect the zone defense because that's what teams did the second half of the season.
Schultz's numbers were the product of people wanting to stop literally every other offensive weapon first, his numbers were by default. That's why it baffled me that they franchised him, he's not worth it. I'd take the rookie right now and he'd get close to thise numbers on a rookie contract.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Your last sentence is as much the problem as the front office. He has to learn how to efficiently dissect the zone defense because that's what teams did the second half of the season.
Schultz's numbers were the product of people wanting to stop literally every other offensive weapon first, his numbers were by default. That's why it baffled me that they franchised him, he's not worth it. I'd take the rookie right now and he'd get close to thise numbers on a rookie contract.

True. But there is more to it than that. Teams played zone defense but they dropped 5 or 7 in the zone. Going against 3 or 4 recievers. The reason being the OL specifically the middle with Biafasz and Williams. We couldn't run and thus in a lot of 2nd and 3rd and long situations. Not only that the defenses generated pass rush with 4 or 5 players that allowed them to drop 6 or 7.

It wasn't just one thing or one player, it was OL, Dak, Moore and the combination was bad results. Dak needs some help and OL wasn't helping, the running game wasn't helping.

With that said, I was ok with the Tag given three other TEs got tagged so not much was available. And I am glad they just didn't give him a contract. We know McKeon is not the answer, perhaps not just yet and draft hadn't happened and we lost Cooper and Wilson about 40%+ of our production. Losing Schultz would have us almost 60% of our production. Too much to over come in one off season. So they hedged their bets. Let's see where we are next year