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[SMCowboy]

And the same can be said for you, I think.

The bottom line is that this was a reach in round 1. Maybe #47 will be a day 1 starter, but i feel a lot better with a player with a 1st round grade at 31. I don't know about you.

You would feel better about someone who had a first round grade at #31 according to which board? Every body and every team has a different board. According to our board, he was a value pick at #31. A first round "grade" no, but when you only have 19 players with a first round grade, that is not surprising.

The bottom line is you think it was a "reach" because the same online draft experts that told you that Sharrif Floyd was a top 5 pick, and hands down the best DT in the class thought he had a 2nd or 3rd round grade.

Here is a small hint for you, most all NFL teams did NOT agree that Sharrif Floyd was a top 5 qualify pick. In fact, had he been drafted at #3, no one would have said he was a "reach" at #3. Because some supposed "draft expert" said he wasn't. But guess what history has PROVEN that he absolutely WOULD have been. Maybe Fredrick would have been there at #47, maybe not. The only player that we could have drafted at #31, that you can say right now absolutely positively will not be there at #47 is Matt Elam, because he went at #32. Other than that, it is a crap shot.

But, given how NFL teams, the ONLY draft boards that actually matter where valuing OL much more than the "draft experts" board where valuing OL, the chances of him making it to #47 where very slim....

 

[JonJon]

I am a fan of whatever it takes to get a real running game and giving Romo time to go through his progressions and make better passes. If Frederick is the guy that can help Dallas achieve that goal, then so be it.

 

[burmafrd]

He would have been a nice pick at 47 but when he's our first round pick and we started the day out at 18... come on

did you watch the draft at all? What odds were that with the way O linemen were going he would be around even ten picks later?

 

[CrownCowboy]

The fact is, we could have gotten Frederick in the second or maybe third round. I agree that all of the hate about this pick is due to the circumstances and not the player. I am willing to give any player a chance and do like what I am reading about Frederick and it does help address our biggest weakness of the team.

With that being said, some people here have made alot of sense. Many of the guys that we were interested in to take in the first were gone so in my opinion it only made sense to trade down, get another pick, and take someone at the 31 spot that might as well been in the second round anyway.

The only thing that really ticked me off was not getting more picks from the 49ers. With all the picks they have it's ridiculous that Jerry couldn't get more out of that deal.

 

[Ren]

did you watch the draft at all? What odds were that with the way O linemen were going he would be around even ten picks later?

Pretty good if you look at the needs of the teams at the top of the 2nd round and the players still available.

 

[JonJon]

The fact is, we could have gotten Frederick in the second or maybe third round. I agree that all of the hate about this pick is due to the circumstances and not the player. I am willing to give any player a chance and do like what I am reading about Frederick and it does help address our biggest weakness of the team.

With that being said, some people here have made alot of sense. Many of the guys that we were interested in to take in the first were gone so in my opinion it only made sense to trade down, get another pick, and take someone at the 31 spot that might as well been in the second round anyway.

The only thing that really ticked me off was not getting more picks from the 49ers. With all the picks they have it's ridiculous that Jerry couldn't get more out of that deal.

The organization didn't feel that Frederick would be there at 47. I'm sure he would have made it to the second round, but would have been gone before our pick in the second judging by how the OL was getting picked off left and right.

 

[Biggems]

IMO it was a much better pick than Pugh or Long who are guards only and were taken a dozen picks higher. And we added a third to boot

Frederick was a huge reach, but so were these other two players. I guess the early run on OL had some people in panick mode. I feel that all 3 should have been 2nd round players.

I dont hate the pick, as Wisconsin OL are very good. I just feel he would have been there at 47. When GB took Datone Jones, I was very upset. He was the guy I wanted most over the last few weeks. Once he was gone, I was hoping for Armstead or Franklin or a trade down.

 

[weaver21]

:laugh2:

You guys are outta your mind if you think we would've gotten Frederick in the third round. Maybe we could've gotten him in the second, which is also unlikely, but the third round is pushing it. The way offensive linemen are falling, Frederick, who is the best center in the draft, was not lasting into the third round.

I can understand why people are mad at picking Frederick at 31 when they were better prospects on the board, but still... he's an offensive linemen, a position everyone has wanted the Cowboys to address... and yet everyone still complains? Sure, the pick was a reach, but from the film I studied of him, he seems very solid. He's definitely slow and needs to work on his footwork, but I'm pretty Dallas knew that and Callahan knew that as well and plan to work on that come training camp and stuff.

 

[DIAF]

You would feel better about someone who had a first round grade at #31 according to which board? Every body and every team has a different board. According to our board, he was a value pick at #31. A first round "grade" no, but when you only have 19 players with a first round grade, that is not surprising.

The bottom line is you think it was a "reach" because the same online draft experts that told you that Sharrif Floyd was a top 5 pick, and hands down the best DT in the class thought he had a 2nd or 3rd round grade.

Here is a small hint for you, most all NFL teams did NOT agree that Sharrif Floyd was a top 5 qualify pick. In fact, had he been drafted at #3, no one would have said he was a "reach" at #3. Because some supposed "draft expert" said he wasn't. But guess what history has PROVEN that he absolutely WOULD have been. Maybe Fredrick would have been there at #47, maybe not. The only player that we could have drafted at #31, that you can say right now absolutely positively will not be there at #47 is Matt Elam, because he went at #32. Other than that, it is a crap shot.

But, given how NFL teams, the ONLY draft boards that actually matter where valuing OL much more than the "draft experts" board where valuing OL, the chances of him making it to #47 where very slim....

Wow, step back and take a deep breath there. It ain't that serious.

I didn't say diddly squat about Floyd, or some "online draft poster blogger guy" or whatever. Nearly everyone who is everyone in this game didn't have the guy graded out this high. And if he's not there, there's Schwenke or Jones who are about the same grade as Frederick.

There was absolutely no reason to take Frederick at 31.

 

[WarC]

One thing to consider. Last year guard Kevin Zeitler from Wisconsin went towards the end of round 1 to the Bengals. Ended up starting day one and doing a stellar Job for them. Now think about this a minute. Zeitlers last year in Madison he was the starting RIGHT guard, Meanwhile,....Frederick was the starting LEFT guard. Zeitler is a little more mobile,...Frederick ALOT stronger. Has the build/frame to REALLY anchor in and not give up ground.

Yes! The Wisconsin Badgers have ridden the strength of their offensive line to THREE STRAIGHT Rose Bowls. Except for the one year we had Russell Wilson, QB has not been a strength but actually a weakness of the team. Our running game is entirely build off the O-Line...The halfbacks Wisconsin produces (even Montee Ball but also John Clay before him) end up being pedestrian once they leave college.

Frederick is going to be awesome here for the Cowboys.

 

[CrownCowboy]

The way offensive linemen are going Frederick very well may not have made it to the third round. I've seen a few scouts and analyst that gave him a third round grade. Either way, that is debatable and really something nobody knows for sure.

In my opinion, we had two options. We could have traded up and picked one of the top six offensive linemen that were selected or do what we did and that's trade down and get a good player at a need we had and add a pick in the process. I don't have a problem with how things happened or who we got. I like Frederick more and more the more I read and watch tape on him.

As I said, I do have a problem with not getting more from San Francisco for letting them trade up to our 18 spot. Considering what the Patriots got from Minnesota, I think we got the raw end on our deal.

 

[Blast From The Past]

Ive seen every snap that Travis has played in his college career. Trust me,...you guys will end up being more than happy with him. He might have been over drafted a bit,...but truth is,...this is a strange draft.

Heres my take on Frederick. In all honesty,...I do think he makes a better guard than center. Dont get me wrong,...he was very good at center last year,...he just didnt quite jump out at me as much as he did the year before at guard. This guy is a mauler,...a REAL mauler. One of the strongest guys in college football. He was squatting over 700 pounds as a sophomore. VERY smart too. Bright future ahead.....

Which leads me to......TODAY!

Some wont like it,...but I say we go ahead and FINALLY for once and for all fix this hot mess of an offensive line that has been holding us back for YEARS!

With our first pick today, we go ahead and take one of my favorite players in the entire draft. Brian Schwenke , CENTER from Cal. You plug him in at center day ONE , line up Frederick next to him at GUARD and go ahead and sign Winston at R.T and its a whole new ball game. The days of getting pushed around at the LOS and not being able to run the ball are OVER!

Now for our two third rounders today.......

3 .A.....Benny Logan D.T LSU

3.B....Laveon Bell R.B Michigan state. Power runner, ramrod type. Should fit in nicely in a rotation with Murrey.


No safety you say? Cant help it. Too many holes and not enuff picks. Just the way it is sometimes. Cant do it all in one draft. Gonna have to take one later OR pick someone up during camp who gets cut from another team.


But one thing for sure.....that O line is FINALLY FIXED!

I like your way of thinking, sir!

 

[jblaze2004]

The next 3 picks i think we get atleast one safety. If cyphierin(sp?) is there in the second we might make that move but idk did we even work him out or go to his proday? I also think we go rb wr or te inbetween ronds 2 and 4

 

[tecolote]

You can not fix this OL in one draft. You're talking about 4 of the 5 positions filled by players who can't play. It's not realistic to think you're going to find 4 starters there in one draft.

Now had we not wasted 1st and 2nd round picks last year and/or 50 million dollars in free agency, we might be a lot closer to providing the franchise QB some legitimate protection up front and an actual viable running game.

How would you feel about this, we grab Schwenke or Warford at 47 and get Clabo or Winston in free agency.

So maybe we could go from,

Smith-Livings-Costa-Bernadeu-Free to Smith-Livings-Frederick-Warford-Clabo

That's pretty realistic in my opinion. And we would have some pretty good corners to boot.

 

[Lifetimeboyzfan]

The fact is, we could have gotten Frederick in the second or maybe third round. I agree that all of the hate about this pick is due to the circumstances and not the player. I am willing to give any player a chance and do like what I am reading about Frederick and it does help address our biggest weakness of the team.

With that being said, some people here have made alot of sense. Many of the guys that we were interested in to take in the first were gone so in my opinion it only made sense to trade down, get another pick, and take someone at the 31 spot that might as well been in the second round anyway.

The only thing that really ticked me off was not getting more picks from the 49ers. With all the picks they have it's ridiculous that Jerry couldn't get more out of that deal.

How the heck do you call this a fact? It is pure speculation. Nothing more.

 

[Angus]

Frederick is NOT what some think he is. He will be a quality guard or center, " Hopefully guard as I REALLY want Schwenke" and he will start for many years.

I like Schwenke too but I think Barrett Jones is a better pick. He is a center but can play guard or tackle as well. He has been hurt but is a better player down the line, IMO.

 

[Seven]

How the heck do you call this a fact? It is pure speculation. Nothing more.

Agreed. There are no 'facts' when it comes to the draft. No facts before, during or after. A third rounder could become an all pro and the very first pick could fall flat faced.

Crap shoot sensationalized by so called 'experts'. Television making millions off the broadcast......poor kids. Anyone see Geno in the green room?

 

[Lifetimeboyzfan]

There were also rumblings of Baltimore picking him at 32. I don't believe he would have been there for us at 47, but who can be sure. We had him 22 on our board and Callahan spent time with him and worked him out so to me that doesn't sound like a huge reach like some are saying.

 

[Bleu Star]

:signmast:

I will always wonder if Romo said anything during contract talks about upgrading the OL.

That has always been my speculation as well. I would bet money it was a detailed portion of the conversation.

 

[CrownCowboy]

Agreed. There are no 'facts' when it comes to the draft. No facts before, during or after. A third rounder could become an all pro and the very first pick could fall flat faced.

Crap shoot sensationalized by so called 'experts'. Television making millions off the broadcast......poor kids. Anyone see Geno in the green room?

Nobody is saying that Frederick will be an all pro or be a bench warmer who gets released after 2 years. Nobody knows that and nobody is asserting such things. The issue that some have is with the value of the pick. As I said before, I don't see much of a difference with taking a second round prospect with a pick at 31. That doesn't change the fact that he was a 2nd round prospect at best, so I don't know what the fuss is all about.