These cheating refs are out of control. I’m sick of it!

[Runwildboys]

Someday we will all learn that the NFL identifies itself as an entertainment industry. And in those industries the outcomes can be controlled.

Remember when the league didn't want a team in Las Vegas because they didn't want to be associated with gambling and the potential questions that games could be fixed?

Well those days are over. And there is more angst about the officiating now more than ever. Coincidence? I think not.

If they get caught (with proof) controlling games, I'm pretty sure they'll be subject to lawsuits, both individual and class action.

 

[DripTooHard]

If they get caught (with proof) controlling games, I'm pretty sure they'll be subject to lawsuits, both individual and class action.

That’s why they call it entertainment and not a sport.

 

[charron]

The Philly-Bills and Ravens-Chargers had some terrible officiating going on. Calls are missed every snap of every game, but come on some blatant calls/non calls needs to be corrected.

 

[Starstruck22]

Season in and season out these refs keep helping the dirty birds, chiefs and used to help the patriots. Buffalo should have won that game!!!!! They were robbed! I am sick and tired of watching the same stupid biased cheating ref calls and non calls over and over and over and over and over. These refs are out of control! It doesn’t matter if we go 10-7, 12-5 or 17-0! We will walk into the playoffs and the refs will hit us with an uppercut!! Oh I hate it!!!

The officiating in Buffalo was absolute crap. There was a shot of a side ref looking at another part of the field when there was clear tugging of jersey of buffalo receiver getting ball at point of attack. What is that idiot looking at? Who the f$*# is watching the pass catching receiver? This can be nothing other than incompetence or corruption. No other alternative. The officiating is horrible in this league.

 

[DripTooHard]

The Philly-Bills and Ravens-Chargers had some terrible officiating going on. Calls are missed every snap of every game, but come on some blatant calls/non calls needs to be corrected.

Officiating is the single biggest handle the NFL has to shape outcomes in this golden age of sports gambling. The excuse is that officials are old and they’re incompetent part time employees. That is the best guise for the league and they have no incentive to change it. They won’t correct bad calls and non calls.

 

[Cowboy_svt]

Maybe because they have a better OL than most teams, and the best OL coach in the league, they aren't called for holding as much? Better players playing better than weaker players is precisely why teams win. Perhaps your intense focus on one team and "missed calls" is misguided. You could probably make the same argument against every team in the league. Go review film, identify missed penalties in every single game and see where each team stacks up. You think there aren't missed calls in Cowboys game that work in their favor?

olines always look better when they hold


Also just curious, did you just make an account for this ref debate stuff?

Edit: We have 17 offensive holding penalties vs the eagles having 3, man good thing there isnt a discrepancy there or anything, we must have an extremely poor oline that cant block at all.

 

[OmerV]

Officiating is the single biggest handle the NFL has to shape outcomes in this golden age of sports gambling. The excuse is that officials are old and they’re incompetent part time employees. That is the best guise for the league and they have no incentive to change it. They won’t correct bad calls and non calls.

The league is not saying officials are old and incompetent part time employees, so who is it you are saying is using that as an excuse?

As for correcting bad & non calls, how does that work without making game last 12 hours? Something could pretty much be called every play, so there has to be a limit to challenges and reviews

 

[MarcusRock]

Ok, so I guess I don't get to ignore the irrelevant Dez argument. No, they were wrong because the rule did not allow for super human ability like Dez possesses. The fact that he reached out for the goaline over the course of about 5 yards tells me it was a catch.

I am sorry that you don't understand the rule. The first sentence and the last sentence do not make sense if you we interpret it the way you suggest. I am telling you, the knee buckle, is for the situation where the runner runs through the attempted horsecollar but is able to regather and continue.

Oh, so the highly paid experts were wrong on that day but not on this one? Interesting. And I almost forgot to mention that your boy Steratore was the crew chief working the Dez game and was the one who announced the overturn and answered the reporters' questions about the call after the game. So you had Steratore, Blandino, and Pereira all saying the same thing and yet all 3 were wrong that day but Steratore is right today because he's paid to be a rules expert?

And you might be right about the knee buckle thing so see my remarks to Sydla above as to why it wasn't a foul which is because the front jersey tug was the force that brought Allen down, not the back.

 

[agk136]

Search YouTube for nfl rigging. You’ll find ex-players stating the nfl is rigged and games not being determined on field.

 

[Cydios]

 

[Ken]

Oh, so the highly paid experts were wrong on that day but not on this one? Interesting. And I almost forgot to mention that your boy Steratore was the crew chief working the Dez game and was the one who announced the overturn and answered the reporters' questions about the call after the game. So you had Steratore, Blandino, and Pereira all saying the same thing and yet all 3 were wrong that day but Steratore is right today because he's paid to be a rules expert?

And you might be right about the knee buckle thing so see my remarks to Sydla above as to why it wasn't a foul which is because the front jersey tug was the force that brought Allen down, not the back.

Here is a non buckling Horsecollar from earlier this year.

 

[fivetwos]

It’s not fixed. The risk of that ever getting out there now that they are in bed with gambling is too great.

It’s more about asking older dudes to run with elite athletes and make a split second decision and get it right every time. Not gonna happen.

What DOES bother me is that they have the means to fix it by having a ref in the booth with a monitor, but they choose not to. Why?

That TG game vs Oakland two years ago was the worst I’ve ever seen. Was supposed to be a Cowboys blowout, yet they lost, and was one of the highest rated games of all time. Kinda does make you think a bit.

 

[Cowboy_svt]

It’s not fixed. The risk of that ever getting out there now that they are in bed with gambling is too great.

It’s more about asking older dudes to run with elite athletes and make a split second decision and get it right every time. Not gonna happen.

What DOES bother me is that they have the means to fix it by having a ref in the booth with a monitor, but they choose not to. Why?

That TG game vs Oakland two years ago was the worst I’ve ever seen. Was supposed to be a Cowboys blowout, yet they lost, and was one of the highest rated games of all time. Kinda does make you think a bit.

both recent games vs oakland have been flagfests
Were not for the heroics of the GOAT Jeff Heath we wouldve lost the first one after a gigantic PI at the end

 

[gimmesix]

olines always look better when they hold


Also just curious, did you just make an account for this ref debate stuff?

Edit: We have 17 offensive holding penalties vs the eagles having 3, man good thing there isnt a discrepancy there or anything, we must have an extremely poor oline that cant block at all.

Although I don't buy into the conspiracy stuff, I do believe that the refs either watch some teams closer or just arbitrarily notice our penalties more than the other good teams we face. There are a few games this year where I thought we came out better than the other team as far as benefiting from the calls. But it seems like other contenders like Philly and San Fran almost always come out on the better end of it. I know some of our fans believe we should just be able to overcome that, but when you have two teams close in talent playing, any advantage can be big. I go back to the spot Hurts was given on Philly's opening drive, which led to them going for it on fourth down instead of punting. Maybe they go for it anyway, but 2 yards to go in their territory more likely changes that decision. They don't score there, who knows how it would have turned out?

 

[MarcusRock]

Here is a non buckling Horsecollar from earlier this year.

That was a classic horse collar where the runner is pulled by his back collar backwards from behind and the knee does buckle. It would have been a horse collar even if Peters let go after the pull.

 

[mmohican29]

Seemed like a well called game to me. Not sure what you’re talking about.

In fact, I’m amazed at how good the refs are year in and year out. The game is so fast, have you ever been on the sideline for a pro game? I have, It’s shockingly fast. I have no idea how they get things right as much as they do.

You can't be serious.

 

[Ken]

That was a classic horse collar where the runner is pulled by his back collar backwards from behind and the knee does buckle. It would have been a horse collar even if Peters let go after the pull.

Disagree. Knees did not buckle and he was slung around. Not the typical pull back to the ground.

 

[Runwildboys]

That’s why they call it entertainment and not a sport.

What difference does it make if it's entertainment or not? If they "fix" a game in any way, and gamblers lose money, they're probably opening themselves up to legal consequences. It would be equivalent to a casino using loaded dice, or having a brake on the roulette wheel. Before gambling on the games was legalized, I could see the difference between "sport" and "entertainment", though aren't all sports entertainment?

 

[Runwildboys]

That was a classic horse collar where the runner is pulled by his back collar backwards from behind and the knee does buckle. It would have been a horse collar even if Peters let go after the pull.

I think most people think of a horse collar as being when the ball carrier gets pulled straight from behind, to where his legs buckle underneath him and his back usually bends backward.

I was a little surprised to see it called without that happening.

 

[Legendz82]

Horse collar is a horse collar.

The irony of that is.

The horse collar rule was introduced because of Philadelphia. So for them to not call it when they do it is ironic.

I could be wrong but I thought it was made illegal because of Roy Williams. At lease thats how I remember it but I was a kid at the time.