They cannot make the Lamb mistake again

[Loso86]

Yes, it was a mistake because it was all for flash and splash while bobbing around on the ocean, it was a pick for applause. It was all luxury for a team deep in needs.

The case some make is the value of Lamb at 17. Was he not a value at 16, 15, 14, 13? Why did those GM's pass on him? Because they're GM's with their jobs on the line to improve the team, not take a bow for a draft pick.

Another case is what D player was worth that pick? Chaisson? The answer is any D player that could help the worst D in the league and worst in Cowboys history. He didn't have to be a world beater, just a player they could count on to be 1 of the 11.

1 of 11. How many do they have now? If they'd used that on a D player, might they be closer than they are now? And what if he doesn't work out? Then they'd know and keep going back to the well.

I saw all of the celebrating here when they took Lamb and few asking why was he available? Partly because most GM's were trying to fill needs and partly because they didn't have him at 6th on their board.

He was the Cowboys first pick and led them in drops and was 2nd in the league in drops but his fans here will make excuses for him. And WR is the most plentiful position in the league.

This draft should be the easiest for the Cowboys, if they go D as they should have last year. Their needs are plenty and the only position they don't need with that first pick is DE.

The Lamb pick was a mistake and I had 0 doubt about that then or now. However, my greatest doubt about this team remains the same, they're just not good at talent evaluation and compound that by doubling down on some of their selections because they look at it from an ego standpoint. If it is mine, it must be good.

Lamb? No thank you, give me the beef!

Who was that far down that was more impactful at that position

 

[CouchCoach]

Come on Landry did not have to deal with FA where you are constantly trying to fill voids. When Tom was here you brought in players who many would spend their entire career in Dallas. I'm all for building up the defense, we can't have teams rushing for over 300 yards but I also know with how the rules of the game are you better have the ability to put up points as well. What gets me is Jerry was called a moron because of the OL and then Dallas went out and built a OL but now he is a moron because the DL. Yet we have drafted guys along the DL, how many years was Gregory wasted?

They built that OL because the moron shot his mouth off about Romo, oft injured, was the only QB that could play behind that OL.....during negotiations! Who does that?

Comes back to the point made by several of the posters, all comes down to the evaluation of talent in the draft and FA. That's why we had tankers, they were hoping to get a high enough pick that they couldn't screw it up. We cannot allow ourselves to think like other fans because we have something to deal with that none of them have. Not even CIN with an owner/GM.

Doomsday, all comes back to the same problem that has existed since he got that new stadium, he doesn't have to win and there are no repercussions to losing...none. How would you make decisions if there was never any blowback? Every decision I made for businesses that I ran always had that "what happens if this doesn't work" attached to it and Booger has none of that.

How many GM's interview a candidate they don't know and have never met and hire them in 12 hours? One. One that doesn't have to worry if it doesn't work out.

 

[CouchCoach]

I don't think OL is a sexy pick but we managed to use 3 1st rd picks in recent years on OL. I don't think Lamb was picked because it was a sexy pick I think he was selected because of how highly he was ranked on their board and when they saw him there at 17 they went with the highest rated player on their board. Honestly I think defense was on their mind last season, as I said 5 of the 7 picks were all defense including our 2nd and 3rd rd picks. However when you see a guy rated as highly as Lamb was Dallas was not going to pass it up.

So you don't think that Booger doesn't see WR's as sexy picks? He loves WR's and CB's.

The OL picks were to protect his QB and I nave no reservations that was a verbal agreement between Booger and Romo's agent after he said publicly what he did. He thought he was actually praising Romo's Houdini talent but Romo's agent and more importantly, Mrs. Romo, didn't see it that way.

 

[Doomsday101]

They built that OL because the moron shot his mouth off about Romo, oft injured, was the only QB that could play behind that OL.....during negotiations! Who does that?

Comes back to the point made by several of the posters, all comes down to the evaluation of talent in the draft and FA. That's why we had tankers, they were hoping to get a high enough pick that they couldn't screw it up. We cannot allow ourselves to think like other fans because we have something to deal with that none of them have. Not even CIN with an owner/GM.

Doomsday, all comes back to the same problem that has existed since he got that new stadium, he doesn't have to win and there are no repercussions to losing...none. How would you make decisions if there was never any blowback? Every decision I made for businesses that I ran always had that "what happens if this doesn't work" attached to it and Booger has none of that.

How many GM's interview a candidate they don't know and have never met and hire them in 12 hours? One. One that doesn't have to worry if it doesn't work out.

Bottom line not all picks have been so called sexy picks, you can claim why he drafted OL in the 1st rd not once or twice but 3 times. As for Lamb again that is following your draft board that is taking the highest rated player that is on your board. Dallas turned around and did what drafted 5 of 7 picks on defense. Clearly they failed in putting their hopes in McCoy and Poe. Going out and getting Aldon Smith was done because of concerns on defense. Right now I want to see a big upgrade at DT and I hope they address it but the notion that all Jerry wants is sexy picks?

 

[CouchCoach]

Agreed, mainly because, at least to me, linebacker is the most difficult position, physically, to play well. Just think - you have to be big enough to handle the running backs like Zeke and Henry, 225 or more pounds, yet fast enough to chase the smaller, faster running backs. Have to take on 300-plus pound linemen, try to sack quarterbacks like Rothlisbergher who are as big as you are. Smart enough to be able to read defenses and often call the defense set up.

Great linebackers are hard to find...

As witnessed by the Steelers fall off at that position where they used to rule. CAR hasn't been able to replace Kuechly.

And just to think it wasn't an oddity, at one time, to find teams with 2 in the PB and one year, the Saints had all 4 of their LB's in the PB.

 

[CouchCoach]

Bottom line not all picks have been so called sexy picks, you can claim why he drafted OL in the 1st rd not once or twice but 3 times. As for Lamb again that is following your draft board that is taking the highest rated player that is on your board. Dallas turned around and did what drafted 5 of 7 picks on defense. Clearly they failed in putting their hopes in McCoy and Poe. Going out and getting Aldon Smith was done because of concerns on defense. Right now I want to see a big upgrade at DT and I hope they address it but the notion that all Jerry wants is sexy picks?

He wants attention in that 1st round, if he can get it. He's not as wild as Crazy Al with a P and PK in the 1st round but he wants to make a splash and Lamb afforded him that getting the best value pick in the draft.

 

[TheGoat73]

Yes, it was a mistake because it was all for flash and splash while bobbing around on the ocean, it was a pick for applause. It was all luxury for a team deep in needs.

The case some make is the value of Lamb at 17. Was he not a value at 16, 15, 14, 13? Why did those GM's pass on him? Because they're GM's with their jobs on the line to improve the team, not take a bow for a draft pick.

Another case is what D player was worth that pick? Chaisson? The answer is any D player that could help the worst D in the league and worst in Cowboys history. He didn't have to be a world beater, just a player they could count on to be 1 of the 11.

1 of 11. How many do they have now? If they'd used that on a D player, might they be closer than they are now? And what if he doesn't work out? Then they'd know and keep going back to the well.

I saw all of the celebrating here when they took Lamb and few asking why was he available? Partly because most GM's were trying to fill needs and partly because they didn't have him at 6th on their board.

He was the Cowboys first pick and led them in drops and was 2nd in the league in drops but his fans here will make excuses for him. And WR is the most plentiful position in the league.

This draft should be the easiest for the Cowboys, if they go D as they should have last year. Their needs are plenty and the only position they don't need with that first pick is DE.

The Lamb pick was a mistake and I had 0 doubt about that then or now. However, my greatest doubt about this team remains the same, they're just not good at talent evaluation and compound that by doubling down on some of their selections because they look at it from an ego standpoint. If it is mine, it must be good.

Lamb? No thank you, give me the beef!

I think Lamb is one of the best things to happen around here in a while.

 

[Doomsday101]

He wants attention in that 1st round, if he can get it. He's not as wild as Crazy Al with a P and PK in the 1st round but he wants to make a splash and Lamb afforded him that getting the best value pick in the draft.

All I can say I would have taken Lamb just as well. You have a chance to get that type of talent you take it. You seem to want to fill a need come hell or high water and those type of picks have cost Dallas all too often. We end up with a guy who cant make the starting lineup and is a complete bust. Lamb was a no brainer I felt that way on draft day and Lamb has done nothing to make me change my mind. Most of the other picks had a lot more question marks on them than Lamb.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

He wants attention in that 1st round, if he can get it. He's not as wild as Crazy Al with a P and PK in the 1st round but he wants to make a splash and Lamb afforded him that getting the best value pick in the draft.

Lots of people only watch round 1 of the draft, Jerry undoubtedly know that, so that's part of the issue...

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I think Lamb is one of the best things to happen around here in a while.

Maybe. Will have to wait for another year or two to judge that, does no good to have 3 thousand yard receivers if the team goes 6-10 because you lose games 38-35, 35-31, 42-39, 28-27 and such....

 

[CouchCoach]

Who was that far down that was more impactful at that position

At the time, we didn't know. This isn't about looking back because we didn't know what we know now.

Impact is the tricky part because I am looking for immediate impact and a problem solved with that 1st pick. I did not see WR as a problem, especially when they'd just let the two best D players walk. They let Beasley walk as well but the best DB is a problem and they might have taken Diggs instead of Chaisson for fear of losing him.

 

[CouchCoach]

Lots of people only watch round 1 of the draft, Jerry undoubtedly know that, so that's part of the issue...

Well, that is the sexiest part of the draft. Where else are you going to see a RB in sequins with a bare midriff?

 

[Diehardblues]

At the time, we didn't know. This isn't about looking back because we didn't know what we know now.

Impact is the tricky part because I am looking for immediate impact and a problem solved with that 1st pick. I did not see WR as a problem, especially when they'd just let the two best D players walk. They let Beasley walk as well but the best DB is a problem and they might have taken Diggs instead of Chaisson for fear of losing him.

There was several other CB taken in our vicinity in 1st round. Or we could have traded out of that slot up or down . Many other options. Fans wanting to single out a certain player in comparison is simply framing their argument.

No one is disputing Lamb at that slot was most talented or the talent he is. It’s about team building.

And I doubt most teams after signing their WR1 and RB with a #1 offense and bottom tier defense use their 1st pick to stockpile more talent for their slot or #3 receiver.

It’s simply flash over substance.

Lamb was a great pick if we weren’t already loaded at WR and didn’t have so many weaknesses on defense. It’s really that simple. But you can’t make all of these fans see that .

 

[AmericanCowboy]

CeeDee has perennial all pro potential.

He was absolutely the best pick there.

 

[Doomsday101]

Maybe. Will have to wait for another year or two to judge that, does no good to have 3 thousand yard receivers if the team goes 6-10...

It helps when you can put an OL out there who can actually run block and pass block. 6-10 has a lot to do with 9 different combinations on the OL and using guys some who were 3rd string and they are expected to open holes, to pass block as if they were pro bowl players? I hear it a lot injuries are no excuse? BS injuries of this nature where an entire OL is turned up side down has a lot to do with how a team performs. As for Lamb talent there is nothing to wait for Ceedee put up numbers that blew away Dez Bryant. In terms of defense I agree but again Dallas did not just go offense the majority of the draft was on defense aside of Biadasz.

 

[TheGoat73]

Maybe. Will have to wait for another year or two to judge that, does no good to have 3 thousand yard receivers if the team goes 6-10 because you lose games 38-35, 35-31, 42-39, 28-27 and such....

Who says we get to keep Gallup?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

For that you need people who are competent running the front office. Instead we have nepotism central.

Exactly. We've not been adept or competent....certainly not consistently. It's why I didn't sign up to tank in trade for my will to win.

 

[CouchCoach]

All I can say I would have taken Lamb just as well. You have a chance to get that type of talent you take it. You seem to want to fill a need come hell or high water and those type of picks have cost Dallas all too often. We end up with a guy who cant make the starting lineup and is a complete bust. Lamb was a no brainer I felt that way on draft day and Lamb has done nothing to make me change my mind. Most of the other picks had a lot more question marks on them than Lamb.

Can't argue that but when do they begin to work on the D with real effect. Part of this is pitting Chaisson against Lamb as the pick so Lamb looks like the no brainer pick and that is hard to argue.

I am simply saying there were other alternatives to Chaisson or Lamb such as a trade down or out. What's wrong with checking all the teams with D players coming up for their 2nd contract and the teams not having the space? Think they're might have been another Mack or Chandler Jones deal to be made for that pick?

I can argue the best 1st the Cowboys have made in the last 10 years, except Martin, was the trade for Cooper. Who's to say they couldn't have parlayed that 17th into a difference maker like Mack or Jones?

I like Lamb, I like him so much I would be shopping him right now for a D stud or picks. The Cowboys are rich with WR's and poor with the secondary.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yeah you are wrong he wasn’t a mistake. You can’t reach for another player in Chaisson and lose value of your pick. That’s insane and that’s gotten us in trouble in the past. That’s why we have Zeke on our team now because of taking a need.

 

[speedkilz88]

Pitts and CeeDee play the same role in Dallas. A slot WR. Pitts is far bigger and CeeDee is far quicker.
But they would have the same job.

Dallas has 3 TE right now that all block SIGNIFICANTLY better than Pitts.
Pitts isn't a Kettle level blocker. He's not even a Kelce level blocker.
He's an Aaron Hernandez split out TE.
He'd be a very cool weapon to have.

But you gotta take a WR off the field for him outside of 4 WR sets where he acts as WR4.
I can not understate how poor Pitts blocking is. He is 6'6' and only 220 so can not get leverage and uses poor technique. He lacks strength as a blocker.

As good as he is as a pass catcher and he is truly elite eh is just as bad in blocking.

Dallas has Jarwin under contract for 3 more years.
He may well be a top 5 pass catching TE next year.
They also bring back a good well rounded and well developed Dalton Schultz.

KC's offense has actually suffered (comparatively to themselves) of late because the running game is struggling.
They need better run blocking as Andy has always needed to really make that offense hum.

Would you change your mind about Pitts if he weighs in at 246+? College measurements are quite often old outdated ones. (I'm not advocating taking him unless he's clearly the bpa and not any secondary or DL close. Give me CB Caleb Farney or Surtain.)




Florida TE Kyle Pitts intends to forego senior season, enter 2021 NFL Draft

The Gators' star pass catcher is one of eight semifinalists for the John Mackey Award as college football's top tight end. He is an elite receiving threat, with speed and quickness to get open on deeper routes and the length to win contested catches in traffic with a 6-foot-6, 246-pound frame. He got extensive experience in the slot position in the Gators' offense.