They cannot make the Lamb mistake again

[CouchCoach]

CeeDee has perennial all pro potential.

He was absolutely the best pick there.

You do realize that's only 4 WRs and you think he's going to be one of the 2 best in the NFC? Potential is a funny word, doesn't mean much though and is often used in the past tense.

There are two WR's coming in this draft that are both better than Lamb. How much of that tackle breaking, his forte at OU, did you see in the NFL? Both of these players played in the SEC against a lot better D's and closer to NFL caliber. Lamb wasn't even the best WR in his draft, let alone an All Pro.

You are judging off one season with 2 other WR's on the team and one a must cover. Put him at #1 and let him draw those CB's and then we'll know better of his potential.

 

[Doomsday101]

Can't argue that but when do they begin to work on the D with real effect. Part of this is pitting Chaisson against Lamb as the pick so Lamb looks like the no brainer pick and that is hard to argue.

I am simply saying there were other alternatives to Chaisson or Lamb such as a trade down or out. What's wrong with checking all the teams with D players coming up for their 2nd contract and the teams not having the space? Think they're might have been another Mack or Chandler Jones deal to be made for that pick?

I can argue the best 1st the Cowboys have made in the last 10 years, except Martin, was the trade for Cooper. Who's to say they couldn't have parlayed that 17th into a difference maker like Mack or Jones?

I like Lamb, I like him so much I would be shopping him right now for a D stud or picks. The Cowboys are rich with WR's and poor with the secondary.

Trade out still requires another team wanting to trade with you and what they are willing to offer to move up. I tell you what if Rams want to give up Donaldson on a straight up trade I would be all ears. Outside of that having weapons like Dallas does, in an offensive driven league is not a bad thing for Dallas. Heading into this off season you bet I am hoping to see Dallas look to the draft and FA to build up this defense, I think we have some good parts in place but clearly need to get stronger up out middle. We will also likely be losing guy in the secondary due to FA and on offense Dallas may have to look at getting talent on at OT given the problems Tyron has been dealing with now for the last few season.

 

[CouchCoach]

Yeah you are wrong he wasn’t a mistake. You can’t reach for another player in Chaisson and lose value of your pick. That’s insane and that’s gotten us in trouble in the past. That’s why we have Zeke on our team now because of taking a need.

Remove Chaisson form the conversation and consider other alternatives with that 17th pick.

The one thing you can't remove is that there was no way Booger wasn't making that pick so he could show off on his boat. That was as important to him as Kingsbury's fire pit in his shots. What a freaking clown show.

 

[CouchCoach]

Trade out still requires another team wanting to trade with you and what they are willing to offer to move up. I tell you what if Rams want to give up Donaldson on a straight up trade I would be all ears. Outside of that having weapons like Dallas does, in an offensive driven league is not a bad thing for Dallas. Heading into this off season you bet I am hoping to see Dallas look to the draft and FA to build up this defense, I think we have some good parts in place but clearly need to get stronger up out middle. We will also likely be losing guy in the secondary due to FA and on offense Dallas may have to look at getting talent on at OT given the problems Tyron has been dealing with now for the last few season.

What teams were willing to do for that 17th is totally unknown but the Rams giving up Donald wasn't one of them.

Don't you think a full time real GM would have explored every nook and cranny to fix his D. If there are not trade partners, so be it but give me a guy with a job on the line in the draft all day, every day.

Let's say that's another GM, been there for 3-4 seasons, and he makes that Lamb pick with a poor D that is about to become the worst in team history. Not only does the D get worse, the O doesn't get any better and falls as well. They go from 8-8 to 6-10. What do you think happens to that GM? Think his owner celebrates Lamb's rookie season? Not with that GM he doesn't.

The job wasn't to pick 17th. The job was to make the team better, whatever that took.

 

[AsthmaField]

I wasn't aware of that and someone should have posted that for me because I don't watch or listen to either of those two people.

Yeah, I remember specifically because Chaisson was who I thought they would draft, so when they came out and confirmed that’s who they were targeting, I made a mental note of actually being right, lol.

 

[McKDaddy]

Many of us before the season argued Lamb was a luxury pick we couldn’t afford screaming for defensive help in 1st round.

No argument. Its just that there weren't any defensive players remaining who were worthy of 17. I mean if Kinlaw had been available, then you have a decision but as i look thru the first couple rounds I just don't see any defenders from 17 on that would have been a great pick at 17. Trade back & get a combination, you could make an argument.

 

[Diehardblues]

No argument. Its just that there weren't any defensive players remaining who were worthy of 17. I mean if Kinlaw had been available, then you have a decision but as i look thru the first couple rounds I just don't see any defenders from 17 on that would have been a great pick at 17. Trade back & get a combination, you could make an argument.

Yep. We didn’t have to stand Pat on the 17th slot.

 

[Doomsday101]

What teams were willing to do for that 17th is totally unknown but the Rams giving up Donald wasn't one of them.

Don't you think a full time real GM would have explored every nook and cranny to fix his D. If there are not trade partners, so be it but give me a guy with a job on the line in the draft all day, every day.

Let's say that's another GM, been there for 3-4 seasons, and he makes that Lamb pick with a poor D that is about to become the worst in team history. Not only does the D get worse, the O doesn't get any better and falls as well. They go from 8-8 to 6-10. What do you think happens to that GM? Think his owner celebrates Lamb's rookie season? Not with that GM he doesn't.

The job wasn't to pick 17th. The job was to make the team better, whatever that took.

I think we both agree on one thing Dallas needs help on defense and I fully expect that to be their focus. In terms of Lamb we just disagree, I take top talent when it falls into my lap. Again Dallas did not just neglect defense most of the draft last season was on defense, FA picks were on defense. As for Jerry, all I can say is if I bought a football team I would not hire him as my GM, but it is his team and there is nothing I can do about that and I don't spend much time pouting about things I have no control over. I do like McCray doing a big portion of our draft and by and large I think he has brought a lot of talent to this team. This past season there was a lot outside of their control, again you do not see teams lose their entire OL and do much, hell losing 1 or 2 key OL players can kill a team. In terms of defense they did gamble on McCoy and Poe that hurt us, however I do like the addition of Gallimore and think he will pay big dividends to this defense but needs help up the middle.

 

[Diehardblues]

You do realize that's only 4 WRs and you think he's going to be one of the 2 best in the NFC? Potential is a funny word, doesn't mean much though and is often used in the past tense.

There are two WR's coming in this draft that are both better than Lamb. How much of that tackle breaking, his forte at OU, did you see in the NFL? Both of these players played in the SEC against a lot better D's and closer to NFL caliber. Lamb wasn't even the best WR in his draft, let alone an All Pro.

You are judging off one season with 2 other WR's on the team and one a must cover. Put him at #1 and let him draw those CB's and then we'll know better of his potential.

Some fans apparently appear more interested in elevating our QB and offense than building a defense that could take us deeper in the playoffs. There’s no reasoning with them.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Remove Chaisson form the conversation and consider other alternatives with that 17th pick.

The one thing you can't remove is that there was no way Booger wasn't making that pick so he could show off on his boat. That was as important to him as Kingsbury's fire pit in his shots. What a freaking clown show.

I disagree. Chaisson was the flashy pick. He was the “war daddy”. Lamb while flashy too was the BPA. Hitting on Diggs with that second round pick for me made the Lamb pick ok.

 

[SixFiveCowboy]

Agreed, though I don't think many if any here are saying it was a wasted pick, that'd be silly based on what he did this year.

It was more saying a defensive player would have helped the team more.

But like any draft, we'll have to wait another year or two to see if it was the right choice...

I am so confused because you keep saying we should've went defense when I very next pick addressed our biggest need for the simple fact we had just lost Byron Jones in FA. Diggs not only was a stud but arguably one the best value picks of the draft. Cee Dee will be a staple in Dallas' offense for years to come who exactly was on the board that lit it up on defense that was worthy of taking ahead of CDee? Because I can assure you of this if he had went to Philly you would've been right here today still complaining because he would've lit it up and us taking him where we drafted him didn't prevent our entire offensive line from crumbling in a span of 3 months. I think seeing just how bad Nolan's defense was has jaded some to thinking Cee Dee was the problem but I hardly think so.

 

[SixFiveCowboy]

End result I am not against the Lamb selection last year but the player I wanted personally was Patrick Queen. he was the best linebacker coming out of college and Dallas needed help at this position as oppose to WR.

Queen had his ups and downs this rookie season, just like Lamb but LB was a crucial position Dallas needed to address last year with the uncertainty of LVE, Snake.

If anyone follows college football you would've known that WRs are an abundance these past 2 draft classes. Elite linebackers are not

Ok so who is he replacing exactly when Jaylon just signed a major deal, Vander Esch is the 1st pick from the year before and Sean Lee signed a deal in the offseason. I liked Queen don't get me wrong I just don't see who he's replacing if all this money is tied up in the position.

 

[Jake]

Wouldn't hurt to take a defensive player once in a while.

 

[kskboys]

Drafting is not about individual talent. It's about building a team. That's why BPA is such a horrific way to draft.

 

[LatinMind]

Yes, it was a mistake because it was all for flash and splash while bobbing around on the ocean, it was a pick for applause. It was all luxury for a team deep in needs.

The case some make is the value of Lamb at 17. Was he not a value at 16, 15, 14, 13? Why did those GM's pass on him? Because they're GM's with their jobs on the line to improve the team, not take a bow for a draft pick.

Another case is what D player was worth that pick? Chaisson? The answer is any D player that could help the worst D in the league and worst in Cowboys history. He didn't have to be a world beater, just a player they could count on to be 1 of the 11.

1 of 11. How many do they have now? If they'd used that on a D player, might they be closer than they are now? And what if he doesn't work out? Then they'd know and keep going back to the well.

I saw all of the celebrating here when they took Lamb and few asking why was he available? Partly because most GM's were trying to fill needs and partly because they didn't have him at 6th on their board.

He was the Cowboys first pick and led them in drops and was 2nd in the league in drops but his fans here will make excuses for him. And WR is the most plentiful position in the league.

This draft should be the easiest for the Cowboys, if they go D as they should have last year. Their needs are plenty and the only position they don't need with that first pick is DE.

The Lamb pick was a mistake and I had 0 doubt about that then or now. However, my greatest doubt about this team remains the same, they're just not good at talent evaluation and compound that by doubling down on some of their selections because they look at it from an ego standpoint. If it is mine, it must be good.

Lamb? No thank you, give me the beef!

This is just ridiculous.

You mentioned Chaisson? Guy who had 12 tackles and 1 sack on the yr? Compared to somebody who had 74 catches for 935 and 5tds?

In the 34 picks from 17 to 51 between dallas picks there were 14 players taken

Round 1
Chaisson 12 tackles 1 sack
kenneth murray 68 tackles 1 sack
jordyn brooks 35 tackles
patrick queen 66 tackles 3 sacks 1 int
noah inbinoghene 13 tackles
jeff gladney 63 tackles
Round 2
xavier mckinney 14 tackles 1 int
kyle dugger 43 tackles
yetur gross matos 9 tackles 2.5 sacks
ross blacklock 10 tackles
grant delpit 0 stats
antoine winfield jr 64 tackles 1 int
marlon davidson 2 tackles
darrell taylor 0 stats
jaylon johnson 34 tackles

You can actually take out the round 2 guys because they wouldnt even be a factor in Dallas selecting Lamb. Looking at the defensive guys drafted behind Lamb and what they did do you see how ridiculous your rant is? Dallas clearly made the right pick. No doubt in my mind. And its not even close. Yes, he wasnt the biggest need, but who were they going to pick? A guy who had 12 tackles and 1 sack? Then you'd be complaining about this is why the F.O is bad because they wasted a pick on guy who only got 12 tackles and 1 sack when they could've gotten a star WR in the making.

I knew there wasnt a defensive player worth taking over Lamb but i didnt know it was that bad. You really should've looked into this before making this thread.

 

[AmericanCowboy]

You do realize that's only 4 WRs and you think he's going to be one of the 2 best in the NFC? Potential is a funny word, doesn't mean much though and is often used in the past tense.

There are two WR's coming in this draft that are both better than Lamb. How much of that tackle breaking, his forte at OU, did you see in the NFL? Both of these players played in the SEC against a lot better D's and closer to NFL caliber. Lamb wasn't even the best WR in his draft, let alone an All Pro.

You are judging off one season with 2 other WR's on the team and one a must cover. Put him at #1 and let him draw those CB's and then we'll know better of his potential.

How exactly do you know they are better? They haven't played a snap in the NFL. You don't think CeeDee would have dominated like he did at OU if he played on LSU or Bama? Bama has 1st round talent everywhere. Mac Jones is going to be a top 10 pick.

Pretty sure LSU had an all time great college QB last year when Chase dominated. If that is your logic you can go around in circles all day.

And he wasn't the best WR in the draft because the other guy had the greatest, or second greatest, season ever for a rookie WR. You don't think with Dak Ceedee would have finished with 1150-200 yards?

 

[Montanalo]

Yes, it was a mistake because it was all for flash and splash while bobbing around on the ocean, it was a pick for applause. It was all luxury for a team deep in needs.

The case some make is the value of Lamb at 17. Was he not a value at 16, 15, 14, 13? Why did those GM's pass on him? Because they're GM's with their jobs on the line to improve the team, not take a bow for a draft pick.

Another case is what D player was worth that pick? Chaisson? The answer is any D player that could help the worst D in the league and worst in Cowboys history. He didn't have to be a world beater, just a player they could count on to be 1 of the 11.

1 of 11. How many do they have now? If they'd used that on a D player, might they be closer than they are now? And what if he doesn't work out? Then they'd know and keep going back to the well.

I saw all of the celebrating here when they took Lamb and few asking why was he available? Partly because most GM's were trying to fill needs and partly because they didn't have him at 6th on their board.

He was the Cowboys first pick and led them in drops and was 2nd in the league in drops but his fans here will make excuses for him. And WR is the most plentiful position in the league.

This draft should be the easiest for the Cowboys, if they go D as they should have last year. Their needs are plenty and the only position they don't need with that first pick is DE.

The Lamb pick was a mistake and I had 0 doubt about that then or now. However, my greatest doubt about this team remains the same, they're just not good at talent evaluation and compound that by doubling down on some of their selections because they look at it from an ego standpoint. If it is mine, it must be good.

Lamb? No thank you, give me the beef!

Provocative post, Coach. Here's my two cents:

• Arguably, Lamb was great value at 17. In contrast to your observation that he was a value pick earlier, I would offer that he was of greater value beyond pick 17. Said another way, I think we could have traded down a few slots, captured a few more picks and generated similar or greater value. For example, Jeff Gladney (selected by Minn at 31) or one of the safeties selected at the top of round 2 would have been good targets... and, would have helped the defense
• Judging from the FA signings and 2019's performance, there was every reason to assume the defense would be hold their own in 2020, or maybe improve slightly. Going into the 2020 draft, I don't believe the team felt like there was a defensive difference maker in the top half of round one.
• I can't help but believe Lamb was a "hedge" pick, meaning, a hedge against Cooper under performing in 2020 or loosing Gallup after his rookie contract or, or... Using that logic, you could have argued for either a OT or DT or CB choice in the first round as hedges against Smith, Crawford or Awuzie.
• Personally, I think there is much more wrong with the team (systemic rot, if you will) that surely transcends whether we took a R in the first round
• Regardless whether Lamb was a value pick or not, I do believe that his selection was endemic of JJ's affinity for "shiny offensive toys".

Fire away

 

[Kaiser]

I knew there wasnt a defensive player worth taking over Lamb but i didnt know it was that bad. You really should've looked into this before making this thread.

You are never going to be a moderator at this rate, mister!

 

[Shane612]

Hindsight is always 20/20.
I wanted a defensive player, but I don't mind Lamb.

 

[LatinMind]

You are never going to be a moderator at this rate, mister!

lol im too pro cowboys to ever be one.