Thieves let go, victim goes to jail.

[Bob Sacamano]

LMAO. Their illegal immigrants and people wonder why we have our law.

It's there so that illegal immigrants can laugh at us.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah. Not what I said at all.

Oh, so they were ON his property now? Make up your mind.

 

[Hostile]

LMAO. Their illegal immigrants and people wonder why we have our law.

I seriously wonder if you and I could commit this same crime in say, the Phillipines and be free of charges just because you got shot? You gotta be the one who gets shot because I am driving. I got horse trailer experience after all.

 

[Hostile]

Who said I wasn't? First, it's absolutely ridiculous to consider it first degree. First degree requires premeditation. Considering the guy didn't know they were coming to steal his trailer a head of time, that *almost* throws that completely out the window. The fact that he is charged with four accounts is also ridiculous as there were only two guys. The fact that the other guys haven't even been charged even after admitting they were stealing screams something is amiss here. Be it the police or the reporter not reporting all the facts.

...and AGAIN, I defended nobody! I just said the man committed a crime by the letter of the law! Now, the SPIRIT of the law may damn well be different. The problem is, implementation (letter of) is what matters!

Look who is waking up and realizing where the real outrage should be pointed.

I don't give two hoots in hell that he committed a "crime." You shouldn't either.

 

[Hoofbite]

Oh, so they were ON his property now? Make up your mind.

Make up my mind about what? I just said that "fleeing" sounds like they were in the street.

Go back and look at what I said.

If the guy is on his own land have at it but chasing someone out into the road and shooting could do a hell of a lot more harm than good. Once the criminals get off of your land, there's a few more angles that need to be considered.

I never said they weren't ever on his property. I really don't know where you got that impression but you sure ran with it.

:laugh2:

Now people park flat bed trailers right out on the street and these guys were never on this man's property.

All I said was once the criminals are off the property, pursuing them and shooting at them can do more harm than good.

You're right, though. That is very foolish to think in those terms.

May I also quote a part of my last response just to let it soak in.

Meanwhile, these guys should face charges immediately. Pretty dumb that they haven't so far.

 

[Hoofbite]

:laugh2:

Now people park flat bed trailers right out on the street and these guys were never on this man's property.

Wheat Ridge is such a thriving metropolis too. I bet old man Wallace had neighbors ducking every which way as he blasted away. [/sarcasm]

Discouraging how foolish some people can be.

For what it's worth, Wheat Ridge appears to be just a bit outside of downtown Denver.

 

[Hostile]

Not really a big fan of someone just opening fire in the middle of the street over an item. If the guy is on his own land have at it but chasing someone out into the road and shooting could do a hell of a lot more harm than good. Once the criminals get off of your land, there's a few more angles that need to be considered.

What if would have fired into someone's house and ended up killing someone. No way in hell he should be charged with murder or attempted murder but someone should bring that point up to the guy.

No trailer is worth an innocent life.

Meanwhile, these guys should face charges immediately. Pretty dumb that they haven't so far.

Make up my mind about what? I just said that "fleeing" sounds like they were in the street.

Yeah, the parts in bold red above don't sound at all like you were assuming he was firing in a neighbrohood.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

[Hoofbite]

Yeah, the parts in bold red above don't sound at all like you were assuming he was firing in a neighbrohood.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I already said I thought it sounded like it was in the street. What are you even pointing at? For the 3rd time, "fleeing" sounds like it took place in the street, IMO.

I honestly have no idea what you are trying to argue here.

Your sarcastic reply a while back seemed like it was trying to pin me with a claim of them never being on the guys land.

I never said that.

 

[Hostile]

For what it's worth, Wheat Ridge appears to be just a bit outside of downtown Denver.

Actually, I know exactly where it is and though it is close to Denver it still has a rural feel. The kind of place where people have...oh, I don't know flatbed trailers that they haul stuff around on.

Would you really like to stick with this avenue, or can you see the obvious yet?

 

[Hostile]

I already said I thought it sounds like it was in the street. What are you even pointing at? For the 3rd time, "fleeing" sounds like it took place in the street, IMO.

I honestly have no idea what you are trying to argue here.

Your sarcastic reply a while back seemed like it was trying to pin me with a claim of them never being on the guys land.

I never said that.

That's what I am trying to argue. It honestly is not that hard to figure out.

You can't flee as soon as you are in your truck trying to pull away or as soon as you are in your truck and trying to pull away you automatically are in the street?

Ridiculous.

 

[Hoofbite]

That's what I am trying to argue. It honestly is not that hard to figure out.

You can't flee as soon as you are in your truck trying to pull away or as soon as you are in your truck and trying to pull away you automatically are in the street?

Ridiculous.

Sure, you could flee while in the driveway or whatever.

But that's not how I interpreted it. Since no one knows exactly what happened, my interpretation of the word "fleeing" is as good the next.

Nobody has the facts necessary to say one thing or another has happened.

You're arguing against my opinion.

You haven't figured that out yet?

 

[Hoofbite]

Actually, I know exactly where it is and though it is close to Denver it still has a rural feel. The kind of place where people have...oh, I don't know flatbed trailers that they haul stuff around on.

Would you really like to stick with this avenue, or can you see the obvious yet?

The news report video sure didn't seem very rural to me.

 

[Hostile]

Sure, you could flee while in the driveway or whatever.

But that's not how I interpreted it. Since no one knows exactly what happened, my interpretation of the word "fleeing" is as good the next.

Nobody has the facts necessary to say one thing or another has happened.

You're arguing against my opinion.

You haven't figured that out yet?

Of course I figured that out. Hence why I laughed in my very first response to that nonsense that people believe that the old man stored the flatbed trailer on the street. That's beyond funny to this country boy. I only grew up towing trailers and stuff and I only work in real estate where HOAs deem what you can park in full view on your property.

I mean, no joke, your take is seriously hilarious to me. And over the word fleeing?

Also, isn't it just the slight bit interesting that as they fled they tried to run him over? Yeah, I'm quite sure that at 82 years old he can get out his door and in front of the truck in the street in nothing flat.

Newsflash! Common sense should tell you they were on his property towards the back or side of the house and he got in front of the truck whereupon they tried to flee.

If that wasn't clue enough I guess you think bullets can fly past the truck and come back to hit the guy in the face.

Comical. That's what this is.

 

[Hoofbite]

http://i5.***BLOCKED***/albums/y188/thehoofbite/Screenshot2010-07-09at53349PM.png

There's a picture of the scene.

"Rural" Wheat Ridge.

 

[Hostile]

The news report video sure didn't seem very rural to me.

You have a different definition of "rural feel" than I do. That isn't urban by any wild stretch and BTW it clearly shows the trailer, on his property, to the side of the house, where he could get in front of them and almost get run over as well as shoot someone in the face.

Check mate.

 

[Hoofbite]

You have a different definition of "rural feel" than I do. That isn't urban by any wild stretch and BTW it clearly shows the trailer, on his property, to the side of the house, where he could get in front of them and almost get run over as well as shoot someone in the face.

Check mate.

Whatever you say, man.

This area is clearly busy enough to produce just the scenario that I suggested.

Whether or not my definition of "fleeing" is good enough to meet your standards, I really don't give a ****.

What the video shows in regards to the placement of the trailer now is completely irrelevant. Notice he drove the camper straight up to the hitch on the trailer, likely trying to prevent someone from attempting to take it again. The only thing that video shows is whether or not he lives in a "rural" area, which I say he doesn't while you say he does. (Oddly enough my definition of "fleeing" is insufficient but your definition of "rural feel" trumps the actuality of the situation. Whether or not it FEELS rural doesn't matter. The busy street and traffic states otherwise.)

In reality, I've exhausted my interest in this thread. My entire point of shooting in populated area is based on how I viewed the fleeing of the criminals. I stand by claim that shooting in such areas can produce worse results than a stolen trailer.

I also stand by my previous statements that are seemingly going unnoticed when I said he shouldn't be charged but should be made aware of the dangers of firing a weapon in his neighborhood. And lastly, I stand by my statement that the criminals should be charged and it's pretty ridiculous that they are not.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

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There's a picture of the scene.

"Rural" Wheat Ridge.http://yfrog.com/2tscreenshot20100709at533p

edit: found the answer to what I was looking for.

With that amount of traffic, he could have put a few bullets through a passerby's car.

A stolen trailer is not worth it. For all intents and purposes, he could be charged with endangering the public welfare.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

82-year-old Robert Wallace said in February that he looked out his window and saw two men hooking his flatbed trailer up to their pickup. He yelled at them to stop, but they sped away, stealing his trailer. He told police he fired two shots at the pickup.

So victim was in his house looking out of a window when he saw 2 criminals stealing his property?

Even though I do own a gun, if I saw someone stealing my property from the confines of my home, I would not grab my gun, go outside and confront the individuals, I would just call the cops. Once you get the gun and confront the thieves, you have no idea what is going to happen after that.

I'm certainly a fan of a right to bear arms to protect oneself, family and friends in their home but I don't know how I feel about someone choosing to turn what sounds like a non-life threatening situation into a life-threatening situation over stolen property that is not in the home.

The thieves should face charges and then be deported.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So victim was in his house looking out of a window when he saw 2 criminals stealing his property?

Even though I do own a gun, if I saw someone stealing my property from the confines of my home, I would not grab my gun, go outside and confront the individuals, I would just call the cops. Once you get the gun and confront the thieves, you have no idea what is going to happen after that.

I'm certainly a fan of a right to bear arms to protect oneself, family and friends in their home but I don't know how I feel about someone choosing to turn what sounds like a non-life threatening situation into a life-threatening situation over stolen property that is not in the home.

The thieves should face charges and then be deported.

I've never been in so much agreement with you.

It's pretty typical of some old people. Either they are really nice, or are really mean, there is no middle ground with them. And the mean ones think that because they've been around for so long that the world owes them a favor. And react nasty when they feel affronted.

And what if those guys did actually end up hitting him? All for a stupid trailer that could easily be tracked. It's not like it's very inconspicuous.

edit: *** are my quotes being condensed??

 

[Hostile]

Whatever you say, man.

This area is clearly busy enough to produce just the scenario that I suggested.

Whether or not my definition of "fleeing" is good enough to meet your standards, I really don't give a ****.

I love this.

What the video shows in regards to the placement of the trailer now is completely irrelevant. Notice he drove the camper straight up to the hitch on the trailer, likely trying to prevent someone from attempting to take it again. The only thing that video shows is whether or not he lives in a "rural" area, which I say he doesn't while you say he does. (Oddly enough my definition of "fleeing" is insufficient but your definition of "rural feel" trumps the actuality of the situation. Whether or not it FEELS rural doesn't matter. The busy street and traffic states otherwise.)

Mostly I noticed that my theories were 100% supported and yours aren't. There's no curb in front of the house and no way he would park that in his small front yard, but to the side of the house near a shed. Go figure.

In reality, I've exhausted my interest in this thread. My entire point of shooting in populated area is based on how I viewed the fleeing of the criminals. I stand by claim that shooting in such areas can produce worse results than a stolen trailer.

In this case, they did produce worse results. The idiots are free and an old man defending his property and life is being charged.

I also stand by my previous statements that are seemingly going unnoticed when I said he shouldn't be charged but should be made aware of the dangers of firing a weapon in his neighborhood. And lastly, I stand by my statement that the criminals should be charged and it's pretty ridiculous that they are not.

This I agree with.