This is Feeling a Lot Like 2010

[ZappaFrank]

It happens a lot in the nfl.

Apparently not so much in the past 3 seasons.

The 03 team diddnt have a difficult schedule, but lets not act like the NFCE red carpet hasnt been rolled out for the Cowboys to fluke their way to a division title the past 3 seasons.

 

[Gameover]

LOL everyone has a prediction. Doesn't mean its gonna happen. Not to burst your bubble or anything but I predict we won't make the playoffs.

We will see who is correct.

 

[Idgit]

That was a fluke. It happens a lot in the nfl. Mickey still believes Troy retired because of bad back, not because he had been washed up for years and nobody wanted him.

I don't think it was a fluke...that team was the #2 scoring defense in the league that year, and the #1 yardage defense. Coincidentally, we weren't running the 3-4 yet, and it was Woody's last season with the team.

We did have both Payton and Zimmer on that staff, though, which is interesting, in retrospect.

 

[ConstantReboot]

We will see who is correct.

If Im right or if Im wrong it really doesn't matter. Im not in the prediction business to warrant any effort or even an ego boost on my part. All I want is the Cowboys to do well.

 

[Gameover]

Apparently not so much in the past 3 seasons.

The 03 team diddnt have a difficult schedule, but lets not act like the NFCE red carpet hasnt been rolled out for the Cowboys to fluke their way to a division title the past 3 seasons.

The QB has prevented us from winning the division 2 out of the last 3 seasons. It's a crime this team hasn't made the playoffs this decade. The reason falls out the QB and coach shoulders.

 

[Gameover]

I don't think it was a fluke...that team was the #2 scoring defense in the league that year, and the #1 yardage defense. Coincidentally, we weren't running the 3-4 yet, and it was Woody's last season with the team.

We did have both Payton and Zimmer on that staff, though, which is interesting, in retrospect.

Then Lord Parcells brought in those stiffs from San Diego(dat dude and Cason or Carson.) those dudes were blocked ten yards off the ball in a game vs. KC the previous season. Did Lord not see that tape?

 

[AsthmaField]

Is the next coach going to be .531 while leaving behind a stacked roster for a group of amateurs to destroy? A franchise QB, Hall of Fame caliber pass rusher, etc.

Well, to be fair, Parcells wasn't going to take that Hall of Fame pass rusher because he didn't want to risk losing Marcus Spears, and Sean Payton was the one who wanted and lured Romo to Dallas.

Witten I credit Parcells with, and others for sure.

However, I don't know how 'Stacked' the roster was. Better than what Campo left for sure, but Flozell Adams and Andre Gurode were there when Big Bill arrived. Leaonard Davis was a Jerry free agent pickup and so was Kosier. I think Bill wanted Colombo, so one of the 5 OL in 2007 could be attributed to the Tuna.

He didn't want T.O., but he did bring in Terry Glenn and Bledsoe.

I don't know... I never really thought of it as him coming here and leaving the roster stacked...

 

[Vanilla2]

A losing season and a 4th straight under Garrett missing the playoffs will get him the axe.

I doubt it.

I think jerry likes what Jason has done roster wise and is willing to be patient a little longer (like another season or two)

 

[KJJ]

I doubt it.

I think jerry likes what Jason has done roster wise and is willing to be patient a little longer (like another season or two)

Jerry has more to do with the roster than Garrett he has complete control over the personnel. Defensively the Cowboys have far less talent than when Garrett took over. It's the lack of solid coaching and defensive talent that has everyone predicting doom and gloom for the Cowboys this season. Even Jerry wasn't singing his usual optimistic tune to start the season. A losing season after 3 straight 8-8 seasons with 5 straight seasons missing the playoffs will cause Jerry to lose his patience. The fans are already losing their patience and he's going to eventually lose some of them in the form of empty seats at his stadium. Jerry wants to win but making money is the most important thing to him and to do that he needs to keep the fan interest up.

He won't be able to sell Garrett on the fans or the media if the Cowboys end up missing the playoffs again and having a losing season in the process. He still had some selling power to stay with Garrett after last season with the team having a chance in week 17 to win the division. If the Cowboys regress in 2014 after 3 consecutive mediocre 500 seasons that saw the team still compete for the playoffs and are left playing out the schedule entering week 17 Garrett will be gone.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If we start 0-3, that means we lost to the Titans and the Rams. It also means that the Saints and the Seahawks are 2 of our next 3 games so we are talking maybe 1-5 start assuming we beat the Texans in this scenario?

Sorry, but Garrett will not survive a 1-5 start, especially a coach in his 4th season, never posted a winning record, hated by the majority of the fan base, and in the last year of his contract....................no way he survives that.

Guess it's a good think we won't start off 0-3 then.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Guess it's a good think we won't start off 0-3 then.

I hope you are right my friend, losing to the Rams would just be embarrassing

 

[wileedog]

Sure. No doubt. But that wasn't the question. The question was would you sign up for a next coach who offered accountability and brought us .531 winning percentage and 0-2 in the playoffs?

I ask, because by all accounts, Parcells was a very good coach. Even at the end of his career and even in Dallas. But he still coudln't get us to a level most of us would consider acceptable.

If we had gotten Parcells a few years younger there is no doubt in my mind we would have gone much farther. Romo would have been groomed right, the defensive talent would not have decayed to nothing, and the O-line would have been addressed sooner. Above all there would be DEPTH on this team, because the one thing that Parcells did that stopped when Wade took over was relentlessly churn the bottom third of the roster. Wade always said the 53 who left camp was who he went to war with, and Garret hasn't changed that much.

We didn't, he got burned out and moved on to trying the front office thing in Miami, and Jerry took his toy back. But if we had even gotten the Jets version of Parcells I think Romo would have a ring or two on his finger.

 

[wileedog]

Well, to be fair, Parcells wasn't going to take that Hall of Fame pass rusher because he didn't want to risk losing Marcus Spears, and Sean Payton was the one who wanted and lured Romo to Dallas.

Payton identified Romo, but it was Bill who groomed him and placed him in the lineup.

However, I don't know how 'Stacked' the roster was. Better than what Campo left for sure, but Flozell Adams and Andre Gurode were there when Big Bill arrived. Leaonard Davis was a Jerry free agent pickup and so was Kosier. I think Bill wanted Colombo, so one of the 5 OL in 2007 could be attributed to the Tuna.

Davis maybe, but Kosier is the very anti-thesis of a Jerry pick up. How are you attributing his signing to him?

I don't know... I never really thought of it as him coming here and leaving the roster stacked...

The roster he inherited went 15-33 the 3 years before he came. The roster he left went 13-3 with Wade Phillips coaching it. Should have went further, but Wade Phillips was coaching it. Not sure what your definition of a stacked roster would be.

 

[Idgit]

If we had gotten Parcells a few years younger there is no doubt in my mind we would have gone much farther. Romo would have been groomed right, the defensive talent would not have decayed to nothing, and the O-line would have been addressed sooner. Above all there would be DEPTH on this team, because the one thing that Parcells did that stopped when Wade took over was relentlessly churn the bottom third of the roster. Wade always said the 53 who left camp was who he went to war with, and Garret hasn't changed that much.

We didn't, he got burned out and moved on to trying the front office thing in Miami, and Jerry took his toy back. But if we had even gotten the Jets version of Parcells I think Romo would have a ring or two on his finger.

We'll never know what a younger Bill might have done. Garrett is constantly churning the bottom of the roster, though. Not sure what you're thinking in that regard.

Personally, I'm in the same boat Parcels was in re: the Cowboys when he left. He didn't know why the team did the dumb things it did, because it was full of good players who worked hard but still did the dumb things that got them beat. It's been kind of a mystery from that point until today, when we still see it. I don't know if it was just part of the culture, or part of the makeup of players like Tony and Demarcus. It's hard to say. But judging from week one this season, we're stills eyeing some of that same maddening inconsistency that tends to keep us out of the playoffs season after season.

 

[Doomsay]

Sure. No doubt. But that wasn't the question. The question was would you sign up for a next coach who offered accountability and brought us .531 winning percentage and 0-2 in the playoffs?

I ask, because by all accounts, Parcells was a very good coach. Even at the end of his career and even in Dallas. But he still coudln't get us to a level most of us would consider acceptable.

Pretty much everybody knows he got us to a deep playoff level status. We might have even been there in his tenure but for a really crazy gaff. I do fault him for leaving, but it is hard to blame him for doing so.

 

[Idgit]

Pretty much everybody knows he got us to a deep playoff level status. We might have even been there in his tenure but for a really crazy gaff. I do fault him for leaving, but it is hard to blame him for doing so.

He got us to 0-2 in the playoffs. That's not what I'd consider deep playoff level status. You?

 

[Lonestar94]

Injury prone players just piss me off, I know they can't help it, but it pisses me off. One thing I don't like about football, I just wish everyone stayed healthy.

Exactly why I love players like Jason Witten.

 

[Dodger12]

But be honest: if I could guarantee you a coach who didn't make excuses and could deliver .531 and 0-2 in the playoffs over a four year span...would you lock that down right now? Because I'm not sure many of us would.

Really? Because that's exactly our current situation minus the playoff births and yet folks go to incredible lengths to find excuses for Garrett. I mean, the defense of the current HC with a .500 record by some here is mind-boggling and tells me otherwise. Had Garrett had 2 playoff births to go with his .500 record during this mysterious rebuilding project, he'd be hailed as the next Lombardi by his defenders.

 

[Doomsay]

He got us to 0-2 in the playoffs. That's not what I'd consider deep playoff level status. You?

You do understand the word gaff right?

 

[wileedog]

He got us to 0-2 in the playoffs. That's not what I'd consider deep playoff level status. You?

Again, the 13-3 team he left Wade was as good a roster as we have had since the 90 hay days. Probably the best we will have until Jerry croaks. With a good Head Coach who doesn't let his young QB scoot off to Cabo with his celebrity girlfriend during the bye week that team could have easily gone deep into the playoffs. They were a play away if Crayton doesn't pull up on his route.

It has been all downhill since.