This is Feeling a Lot Like 2010

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Puzzling how you could predict a 7-9 record for the 2010 team and an 11-5 record for this team. :huh: This team doesn't have near the defensive talent of the 2011 team. I predicted the Cowboys would fall flat in 2010 but didn't anticipate a 6-10 season or even a losing season. I kept thinking back to the 08 season when most everyone thought that would be the Cowboys year after the big disappointment in 2007. The Cowboys got caught up reading all their press clippings buying into the many SB predictions entering the 08 season. I saw the same thing happening entering the 2010 season. The Cowboys could have gone 12-4 in 2011. They blew a lead to NY on opening day with Romo throwing that game away with a pick in the final minute. They blew a franchise record 24 point lead to Detroit with the help of a meltdown performance by Romo. The following week vs NE they blew a lead in the final minutes due to Garrett having his offense sit on the ball instead of trying to put the game away with a couple of first downs. He allowed his defense that just got toasted by Matt Stafford in the 4th quarter the previous week to try and stop Tom Brady in the final couple of minutes. :facepalm: Against AZ the Cowboys blew another lead and Garrett put the final touches on the game by icing his own kicker. :muttley: That was 4 games the Cowboys could have won that season. As for the 2014 season it's going just as I expected. I knew at the end of last season the Cowboys were headed for a losing season in 2014.

This team has a better OL, starting RB, and a better receiving corp than 2010. That defensive personnel was overrated. Ware was declining, Ratliff was always overrated, Spencer has always been just average, spears and Shan were garbage.

I'm putting all my chips on the table. What the Cows become this season will be known after the Titans game. If they win, they will make playoffs! If they lose, they'll be under 8-8. My gut feeling. Can't wait!
 

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This team has a better OL, starting RB, and a better receiving corp than 2010. That defensive personnel was overrated. Ware was declining, Ratliff was always overrated, Spencer has always been just average, spears and Shan were garbage.

I'm putting all my chips on the table. What the Cows become this season will be known after the Titans game. If they win, they will make playoffs! If they lose, they'll be under 8-8. My gut feeling. Can't wait!

This team has a "younger OL" but its yet to be determined if it's better than the 2010 OL. I agree the Cowboys current RB and receiving corp is better now but the defense isn't close to as talented as the 2010 group. You claim Ware was declining heading into 2010??? He went from 11 sacks in 09 to 15.5 sacks in 2010 and 19.5 sacks in 2011 so how is that declining? Spencer was always solid but never anything special which is why the Cowboys hesitated signing him to an extension but he was better than anything the Cowboys have on defense now which is why the Cowboys are still hanging on to him despite his injury.

Ratliff was a very solid player and was also better than anything the Cowboys have now. He started struggling with double teams which reduced his effectiveness. I don't see how anyone could predict 11 wins with the Cowboys current team. The defense is awful and Romo is coming off back surgery. I predicted during camp he wouldn't start the season sharp with the missed practices and the lack of preseason work.
 

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Nothing gets by you man...

I guess I just hadn't realized how close to 1-5 we were after that game last week.

I'm reluctant to bring it up, but if we don't win that one, we could be looking at 0-6. Teams don't come back from 0-6.
 

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This team has a better OL, starting RB, and a better receiving corp than 2010. That defensive personnel was overrated. Ware was declining, Ratliff was always overrated, Spencer has always been just average, spears and Shan were garbage.

I'm putting all my chips on the table. What the Cows become this season will be known after the Titans game. If they win, they will make playoffs! If they lose, they'll be under 8-8. My gut feeling. Can't wait!

Wait so if they win they will be in the playoffs? Love your enthusiasm but there is something thats in the way of that happening - its called REALITY.
 

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dallas is where coaches come to die. no coach will succeed under jerry jones. its not all garrett.....

Coaches can actually be successful in Dallas if they know how to coach. Don't believe me? Take a look at Parcells. You may say that its not all Garrett but the majority of it is. If he only knew how to coach.......
 

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Well, the thing is, when we, as a person, look at Garrett, we see him through our own eyes. If you don't like him as a coach (and you don't seem to) then things he says in his pre game speeches, etc. is going to look and seem very different to you than it would to someone who respects and likes him. You might think they seem uninspired and trite, while someone else who thinks highly of Garrett listens intently and buys in to what he is saying.

By that same token, just because someone likes Garrett and thinks he's doing a good job with his team speeches doesn't mean that everyone views him in that light.

I like Garrett and I pull for him to do well and cement himself as the Dallas head coach going forward. I think he controls Jerry and his draft day itches just about better than anyone else ever has, including Jimmy and The Tuna. The direction he has taken the team since he took over is a very good one, IMO, and I want to see him continue to run the team and make it younger and more aggressive. He took over an old, tired team in 2010 and has given Dallas fans hope that he is building things the right way.

However, I might think a speech he gives the team is a very good one, and expect the team to respond favorably to it, while the truth could be that many on the team might not think as highly of him as I do and the speech seem hokey to them.

The point is that we, as fans, have our likes or dislikes of Garrett and his time as HC in Dallas, and that colors everything we see or hear from him. That doesn't mean that the players share a similar view as either one of us... or any particular fan.

What we kind of have to go on is how the team plays for him. Up to this point, the team has always seemed to play hard for him ever since Wade Phillips lost the same team at the beginning of 2010. To me, that early part of 2010 was a very clear indicator that the team had given up on Phillips and were ready for different leadership. I haven't seen anything close to that from the players in regards to Garrett's reign as HC here. They have always seemed to respond to him favorably and have played hard each year he has been the HC.

Had they quit on Garrett, none of the past years would have seen them at 8-8 and playing for a post season birth. I say that because I look at what Garrett has done personnel wise as a pretty much complete rebuild. Those usually don't go smoothly and 8-8 in the midst of a rebuild job is better than most.

Yes, they have had a franchise QB the whole time, but other than that, he has remade the whole roster pretty much. He inherited an old, overpriced OL and 4 years later we have a completely different OL with young, hungry, mobile, talented players all along it. There is even a little depth there. This year, he has had to completely rebuild the DL. Three years ago, the secondary was rebuilt (no matter if you like Claiborne and Carr... they still were not what Garrett started with). The LB's have completely changed as well.

It goes on. The RB position is completely different than in '10. The WR spot is entirely new, unless you count Dez as a Wade guy taken a few months before Phillips was fired. Even if you don't count Dez as a Garrett guy, every other WR is different now. Yeah, Witten has been here for a while, but Garrett brought in both of the other guys.

I see Garrett as a guy who came in to a team that had a good QB, TE, an old but good OLB/DE and another OLB/DE that was good but would end up with microfracture surgery on his knee soon, and a talented rookie WR at the beginning of 2010, and basically had to get the other 48 roster spots out the door and bring in new one's. Of course as it turned out, the two talented OLB's would only play 2011 and 2012 together, and really in 2012 Ware was hurt most of the time, so they too had to be replaced by 2013 (Spencer) and 2014 (Ware).

All of that, we asked Garrett to do while being expected to lead the team to the playoffs. In '11, '12, and '13 he won 8 games and had the team fighting for a playoff birth in their last game. Frankly, if you look at what he's had to do with the roster and coaching staff, it is a testimonial to how much the team works for him and listens to him that the bottom hasn't fallen out on the Cowboys record. And frankly, had somebody (anybody) managed to field an even average defense in any one of those 8-8 years, the team would have won more games and made the playoffs. Last season in particular was sabotaged by horrific defensive play that I doubt any team could have done much more than 8-8 with.

So anyway, yeah this post is too long, so I'll knock it off now... but to end it I will just say that I'd rather Dallas had ended up with 8-8 records for 3 years, get rid of the fat on the roster, and make the 53 look like fans used to always ask for it to, than to have kept any of the old, high priced players and squeeze out one more 10-6, first round playoff exit while continuing to screw up the salary cap and have Ware and Champ Bailey (as an example) finishing out old, stale careers taking Geritol with Jerry.

Wow thats a mouthful and deserving of a like coming from me. Even though I disagree with you its good to know another persons opinion spoken in a rational and logical manner.
 

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Coaches can actually be successful in Dallas if they know how to coach. Don't believe me? Take a look at Parcells. You may say that its not all Garrett but the majority of it is. If he only knew how to coach.......

.531 and 0-2 in the playoffs, you mean. Yeah, the board with be just thrilled with that again.
 

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Anyone remember the feeling of the Summer of the 89 year. I'm feeling more like that.
 

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.531 and 0-2 in the playoffs, you mean. Yeah, the board with be just thrilled with that again.

Parcells didn't make any excuses. He took a bunch of no names and a QB named Carter and got them into the playoffs. Therefore, its not impossible.

Garrett inherited a playoff team with a top 5 QB at that time. Whats his excuse of not making the playoffs?

What Im saying here is that Garrett has been giving the keys to the kingdom and all he has to do is make the playoffs. I don't buy into this excuse that Jerry gets in his way from doing it.
 

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Parcells didn't make any excuses. He took a bunch of no names and a QB named Carter and got them into the playoffs. Therefore, its not impossible.

Garrett inherited a playoff team with a top 5 QB at that time. Whats his excuse of not making the playoffs?

What Im saying here is that Garrett has been giving the keys to the kingdom and all he has to do is make the playoffs. I don't buy into this excuse that Jerry gets in his way from doing it.

Parcells had a top 5 defense in that group of no-names that he took to the playoffs. And it was an amazing coaching job, even then.

But be honest: if I could guarantee you a coach who didn't make excuses and could deliver .531 and 0-2 in the playoffs over a four year span...would you lock that down right now? Because I'm not sure many of us would.

And I think Parcells did a very good job in Dallas. I'm not saying he didn't. I'm saying that a good coaching job doesn't necessarily translated to a good team record on it's own. You need a lot of ingredients to get it right, and the HC is just one important ingredient.
 

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You do understand that the next coach will be Linehan, Marinelli, Callahan, or some no-name coordinator around the league.

Jerry will never hire or pay a big name coach again.

This thing will have to totally fall apart for Garrett to get the axe.

Jerry himself has set the bar low.
 

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Except for the last 2 coaches who actually made the playoffs. One with Quincy Carter, Troy Hambrick and Antonio Bryant as his big 3 on offense.

Yea, anybody saying that Garrett cant make the playoffs due to a lack of talent never watched Parcells.

Mickey Spagnola to this day says Parcells taking this team to the playoffs with Quincy Carter at QB, Troy Hambrick at RB, and Antonio Bryant at WR being your "big 3" was the greatest coaching job he has ever seen.


I guess that is why Parcells is in Canton right now and Garrett is still looking for his first winning season......................not trashing Garrett, just stating facts.
 

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.531 and 0-2 in the playoffs, you mean. Yeah, the board with be just thrilled with that again.

Losing in the playoffs is better than never making them..................................I think almost any fan would agree with that statement.
 

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Losing in the playoffs is better than never making them..................................I think almost any fan would agree with that statement.

Sure. No doubt. But that wasn't the question. The question was would you sign up for a next coach who offered accountability and brought us .531 winning percentage and 0-2 in the playoffs?

I ask, because by all accounts, Parcells was a very good coach. Even at the end of his career and even in Dallas. But he still coudln't get us to a level most of us would consider acceptable.

And my argument would be that, if a good coach can't do it, then maybe the problem is something other than the coaching. Now, in Garrett's case, maybe it's both the coaching and the other, but we can't really conclude that just from the record. Especially not when we can just look at the defensive talent and the relative defensive performance and have a very, very good idea where the problem actually lies.
 

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Wait so if they win they will be in the playoffs? Love your enthusiasm but there is something thats in the way of that happening - its called REALITY.

Please

My prediction has nothing to do with enthusiasm. My prediction is based on reading the roster.
 

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Sure. No doubt. But that wasn't the question. The question was would you sign up for a next coach who offered accountability and brought us .531 winning percentage and 0-2 in the playoffs?

I ask, because by all accounts, Parcells was a very good coach. Even at the end of his career and even in Dallas. But he still coudln't get us to a level most of us would consider acceptable.

And my argument would be that, if a good coach can't do it, then maybe the problem is something other than the coaching. Now, in Garrett's case, maybe it's both the coaching and the other, but we can't really conclude that just from the record. Especially not when we can just look at the defensive talent and the relative defensive performance and have a very, very good idea where the problem actually lies.

Is the next coach going to be .531 while leaving behind a stacked roster for a group of amateurs to destroy? A franchise QB, Hall of Fame caliber pass rusher, etc.
 

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This thing will have to totally fall apart for Garrett to get the axe.

Jerry himself has set the bar low.

A losing season and a 4th straight under Garrett missing the playoffs will get him the axe.
 

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Is the next coach going to be .531 while leaving behind a stacked roster for a group of amateurs to destroy? A franchise QB, Hall of Fame caliber pass rusher, etc.

Well, you know. You are what your record says you are. Unless, of course, that saying works against what you wanted to think you were in the first place. "You are...less effective than Wade Phillips ended up being with your same roster" just doesn't have the same pop.

And again, that's not a dig against Parcells. That's an argument for a team being more than the won/loss record of its head coach.
 

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Yea, anybody saying that Garrett cant make the playoffs due to a lack of talent never watched Parcells.

Mickey Spagnola to this day says Parcells taking this team to the playoffs with Quincy Carter at QB, Troy Hambrick at RB, and Antonio Bryant at WR being your "big 3" was the greatest coaching job he has ever seen.


I guess that is why Parcells is in Canton right now and Garrett is still looking for his first winning season......................not trashing Garrett, just stating facts.

That was a fluke. It happens a lot in the nfl. Mickey still believes Troy retired because of bad back, not because he had been washed up for years and nobody wanted him.
 

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Please

My prediction has nothing to do with enthusiasm. My prediction is based on reading the roster.

LOL everyone has a prediction. Doesn't mean its gonna happen. Not to burst your bubble or anything but I predict we won't make the playoffs.
 
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