THIS is the RB we need... Barber III

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why doesnt someone compare and contrast JJ's 1st and 2nd down stats to MB3's?

Jones only carried the ball 3 times on third down last season.

 

[Rack]

Besides, any boost Barber got in his ypc for his 3rd and long should be balanced by the fact that he was the primary ball carrier in all goalline and short yardage situations. I'm not sure how many "3rd and 53" he had, but he had a heck of a lot 3rd and 4th and 1 where he had to dive into the teeth of the short yardage defense to pick up the first down when everyone knew he was getting the ball.

Exactly. And I've pointed that out many times, but the JuJo Jock Straps always seem to ignore it. They say "Well MB3's YPC is high cuz of his 3rd down and long carries". 1) MB3 only had 1 run over 20 yards on 3rd and long, and 2) as you pointed out, they ignore the short yardage carries that bring his YPC back down.

extrapolate that into full time, 250-300 carry back, and that 4.88 YPC will no doubt drop to a lower number

Funny, a lot of the JuJo Jock Straps (not saying you're one of them) talk about how much higher JuJo's YPC would be if he were allowed to get more carries and "get into a rythm". If that's true, why can't it be true for MB3? Who says his YPC would go down? It could go UP.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sorry the guy is a solid rb and productive but so was hambrick as a backup

But Barber is a slow ploder and is good as a 1-2 punch I just do not see him as a feature rb

Barber ran a 4.48, we are not putting together a track team. Jones has speed but so what he can't use because he can't break tackles and can't seem to find the same holes that Barber does. Barber at 6'00" 220 running a 4.48 should get a chance to prove instead of all this crud about he can't. How do you know?

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Besides, any boost Barber got in his ypc for his 3rd and long should be balanced by the fact that he was the primary ball carrier in all goalline and short yardage situations. I'm not sure how many "3rd and 53" he had, but he had a heck of a lot 3rd and 4th and 1 where he had to dive into the teeth of the short yardage defense to pick up the first down when everyone knew he was getting the ball.

Let's be exact here, MBIII had 7 carries for 47yds on 3rd and 10+ last season.... It's obvious that he is padding his stats in these situations...:jerk:

As for those wanting a comparison of first and second down stats, here ya go....
1st and 8-10yds.
JJ 170att. 668yds 3.92ypc
MBIII 49 att. 266yds. 5.42ypc

1st down overall
JJ 179att. 679yds 3.79ypc
MBIII 63att 296yds 4.69ypc

2nd down overall
JJ 85att 392yds 4.61ypc
MBIII 34att 177yds 5.20ypc

3rd down overall
JJ 3att 13yds 4.33ypc
MBIII 34att 176yds 5.17ypc


Numbers don't lie in this case folks..... beaten in every category!

 

[superpunk]

Since someone asked, here are the comparative 1st and 2nd down stats for JJ and MB3.

Aside from that, I ain't getting involved.

Again.

1st down
Julius - 179 carries for 679 yards, 3.8 ypc
Barber - 63 carries for 296 yards, 4.7 ypc

2nd down
Julius - 85 carries for 392 yards, 4.6 ypc
Barber - 34 carries for 177 yards, 5.2 ypc

YPC by quarter

Julius
1-4.3
2-3.8
3-4.5
4-3.2

Barber
1-4.1
2-3.7
3-4.9
4-5.7


Talk amongst yourselves.

 

[Spectre]

MB3 runs like his hair is on fire. Hambone ran like everyone else on the field was on fire.

:laugh2:

 

[Hoofbite]

Most of that occured in the 4th qtr when the def was wore out by JJ!

wore out from what? Watching him run straight into a pile?

 

[InmanRoshi]

While MB3 is the best receiving RB on the team, he's more proficient than dynamic, and he has to play nickel because Julius is so flawed in that area. What Dallas could truly use is a Brian Westbrook type of game breaking receiver out of the backfield, who could motion and line up at WR and could create mismatches with linebackers. It would really cause problems for opposing defenses to account for two 1,000 WR's, a better than average 3rd WR, a 800 yard TE and a gamebreaking pass threat out of the backfield in coverage. I wouldn't be surprised if Dallas looked at Lorenzo Booker in the late 2nd or 3rd round, and they've reportedly talked to him. He would be the nickel back/situational back, with MB3 taking over in base.

 

[Rack]

While MB3 is the best receiving RB on the team, he's more proficient than dynamic, and he has to play nickel because Julius is so flawed in that area. What Dallas could truly use is a Brian Westbrook type of game breaking receiver out of the backfield, who could motion and line up at WR and could create mismatches with linebackers. It would really cause problems for opposing defenses to account for two 1,000 WR's, a better than average 3rd WR, a 800 yard TE and a gamebreaking pass threat out of the backfield in coverage. I wouldn't be surprised if Dallas looked at Lorenzo Booker in the late 2nd or 3rd round, and they've reportedly talked to him. He would be the nickel back/situational back, with MB3 taking over in base.

Not sure I like the Booker idea though.

 

[Ashwynn]

Past performance is no guarentee of future sucess. When you increase the workload you expect a drop in production. from 10 carries to 25 carries is a lot of banging, running, getting smashed and squashed and poke and spit on and step on and punched and etc.....

Barber seems tough, but I dont know if he can handle the abuse on a full time scale. I like the tandem we have. But I am not opposed to giving Barber a try, but when you fail and go back to being a 3rd down back, your never the same. Hammy was a decent thrid down back, could not cut it as a starter and then disappeared. I would hate to see Barber disappear.

I dont know, but I do know just cause Barber is an excellent 3rd down back does not mean squat if you move him to starter. Its a new ball game with new rules and very possibly a different outcome.

I trust Wade and Garrett to make that call. I am figuring out how to get the boys to move up to take Nelson. I'll let you know what I come up with and we will see if I am sucessful in late April.

 

[Rack]

Past performance is no guarentee of future sucess. When you increase the workload you expect a drop in production. from 10 carries to 25 carries is a lot of banging, running, getting smashed and squashed and poke and spit on and step on and punched and etc.....

Barber seems tough, but I dont know if he can handle the abuse on a full time scale. I like the tandem we have and if. But I am not opposed to giving Barber a try, but when you fail and go back to being a 3rd down back, your never the same. Hammy was a decent thrid down back, could not cut it as a starter and then disappeared. I would hate to see Barber disappear.

I dont know, but I do know just cause Barber is an excellent 3rd down back does not mean squat if you move him to starter. Its a new ball game with new rules and very possibly a different outcome.

I trust Wade and Garrett to make that call. I am figuring out how to get the boys to move up to take Nelson. I'll let you know what I come up with and we will see if I am sucessful in late April.

1. There isn't a RB in the NFL that averaged 25 carries a game last year. I'd be surprised if any RB in history averaged 25 carries a game.

2. MB3's production may or man not go down with an increased workload, but I agree he's earned the chance to show us what he can do as a starter. Period.

 

[Doomsday101]

1. There isn't a RB in the NFL that averaged 25 carries a game last year. I'd be surprised if any RB in history averaged 25 carries a game.

2. MB3's production may or man not go down with an increased workload, but I agree he's earned the chance to show us what he can do as a starter. Period.

1 back had more than 25 carries a game last season and that was Larry Johnson who average 26 carries a game a total of 416 carries. After that it was Tomlinson who had almost 22 carries a game
I do agree that Barber has earned the right to compete for the job.

 

[Established1971]

Sorry the guy is a solid rb and productive but so was hambrick as a backup

But Barber is a slow ploder and is good as a 1-2 punch I just do not see him as a feature rb

yes so was Hambrick and even Michael Wiley (was that his name?) at the same time. And look at Lamont Jordan Jet numbers as a backup vs starter numbers with Oakland. Theres a lot of factors like him coming in against 2nd unit defenses towards the end of the half and things like that. I think he is much better than Hambrick or Wiley or even Jordan and he would be a good starter but you have to consider his numbers wont be the same

 

[Rack]

1 back had more than 25 carries a game last season and that was Larry Johnson who average 26 carries a game a total of 416 carries. After that it was Tomlinson who had almost 22 carries a game
I do agree that Barber has earned the right to compete for the job.

Wow. That's surprising. Didn't realize LJ had that many carries. Props to him for holding up. His OL wasn't that great last season either (not like in previous years).

 

[Doomsday101]

Wow. That's surprising. Didn't realize LJ had that many carries. Props to him for holding up. His OL wasn't that great last season either (not like in previous years).

He will not last long if KC keeps that up, that is a lot of collisions for a human body to take.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Past performance is no guarentee of future sucess. When you increase the workload you expect a drop in production. from 10 carries to 25 carries is a lot of banging, running, getting smashed and squashed and poke and spit on and step on and punched and etc.....

There is no better indicator of future success than past performance. Nothing is guaranteed but there is no better way to evaluate out there.

 

[joseephuss]

1. There isn't a RB in the NFL that averaged 25 carries a game last year. I'd be surprised if any RB in history averaged 25 carries a game.

2. MB3's production may or man not go down with an increased workload, but I agree he's earned the chance to show us what he can do as a starter. Period.

2000 Larry Johnson 416 rushes
1998 Jamal Anderson 410 rushes
1984 James Wilder 407 rushes
1986 Eric Dickerson 404 rushes
2000 Eddie George 403 rushes

All those guys averaged over 25 rushing attempts per game for a season. It is obviously pretty rare. The most Emmitt averaged was 23.6 per game in a season. Getting 20 to 21 per game is probably close to the average to expect from most backs.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

yes so was Hambrick and even Michael Wiley (was that his name?) at the same time. And look at Lamont Jordan Jet numbers as a backup vs starter numbers with Oakland. Theres a lot of factors like him coming in against 2nd unit defenses towards the end of the half and things like that. I think he is much better than Hambrick or Wiley or even Jordan and he would be a good starter but you have to consider his numbers wont be the same

or look at Tiki Barber, Thomas Jones, or Larry Johnson and how they performed after starting off as backups.

 

[joseephuss]

Wow. That's surprising. Didn't realize LJ had that many carries. Props to him for holding up. His OL wasn't that great last season either (not like in previous years).

In the last 9 games of 2005 when Priest Holmes was no longer playing, LJ averaged 29 carries per game. He has just been a workhorse since KC lost Holmes.

 

[Rack]

2000 Larry Johnson 416 rushes
1998 Jamal Anderson 410 rushes
1984 James Wilder 407 rushes
1986 Eric Dickerson 404 rushes
2000 Eddie George 403 rushes

All those guys averaged over 25 rushing attempts per game for a season. It is obviously pretty rare. The most Emmitt averaged was 23.6 per game in a season. Getting 20 to 21 per game is probably close to the average to expect from most backs.

Does it mean I'm old if I remember who James Wilder is?