This is what Pacman did

[tomson75]

every owner has made bad decisions this year, and last year, since the beginning time. it happens. if you really dislike it so much, don't be a fan. seriously, nobody likes a whiny fanboy.

Wrong.


Whiny fanboys absolutely adore other whiny fanboys. They love to come together 'after the fact' to give each other high fives and other favors.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

i can help...

what is your favorite animal?

favorite movie?

favorite actress?

favorite cowboy?

favorite stripper?

favorite band?

favorite nature setting?

Great! Thanks! Gimme something from Spinal Tap (preferably Derrick Smalls, the bass player) and I will be forever grateful

 

[Audiman]

Wrong.


Whiny fanboys absolutely adore other whiny fanboys. They love to come together 'after the fact' to give each other high fives and other favors.

you're absolutely right. they probably wear girl jeans too.

 

[wileedog]

According to Ed Werder, Jerry was considering releasing Jones before today.

Because Jerry was talking to Ed Werder a few days ago and telling him he was considering cutting Pacman.

Right.

That crap is straight from the team in CYA mode.

"We were considering it before, this isn't just knee jerk reaction to the media reports. Honest Injun"

 

[lane]

Great! Thanks! Gimme something from Spinal Tap (preferably Derrick Smalls, the bass player) and I will be forever grateful

i mean help like in suggestions.


i found one of nigel.

he was the best character other than their manager.

 

[bbgun]

The article doesn't say anything about a new development. All of the information is mentioned using the past tense — except for the police saying they aren't even investigating it.

Jones allegedly hiring a hit man isn't "news"? Why is ESPN dedicating an entire program to old news? Please come up with something better than "anti-Cowboy bias" or "hate."

So you agree that you were wrong, and "informed" and "contacted" are not the same thing?

A distinction without a difference so far as this story is concerned.

According to Ed Werder, Jerry was considering releasing Jones before today. That's why I said it (either the report or the shooting) might not have anything to do with it -- as in being the cause of it. And it might have more to do with the TIMING of his release than being the cause of it. Without the ESPN report, Jerry might have simply waited until Feb. 9, when his release will become official anyway. But rather than face more scrutiny after the report, he releases him before the report. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have been released anyway, without the report

Oh good, so you agree that ESPN's story and Pacman's subsequent release are very likely connected. I mean, who gets released on January 7th without a very good (usually negative) reason? Then again, you said there was nothing "new" or revealing in ESPN's story, so why speed up his release if it's all bull****?

 

[bbgun]

Because Jerry was talking to Ed Werder a few days ago and telling him he was considering cutting Pacman.

Right.

That crap is straight from the team in CYA mode.

"We were considering it before, this isn't just knee jerk reaction to the media reports. Honest Injun"

Yep, they really think it's a big ol' coincidence. Absent this story, Pac would still be a Cowboy today. Loving Jerry means never having to say you're sorry.

 

[jimmy40]

According to Ed Werder, .

Might as well stop there, right?

 

[AdamJT13]

Because Jerry was talking to Ed Werder a few days ago and telling him he was considering cutting Pacman.

Right.

That **** is straight from the team in CYA mode.

"We were considering it before, this isn't just knee jerk reaction to the media reports. Honest Injun"

So now Ed Werder is a shill for Jerry Jones?

 

[AdamJT13]

Jones allegedly hiring a hit man isn't "news"? Why is ESPN dedicating an entire program to old news? Please come up with something better than "anti-Cowboy bias" or "hate."

There's a difference between news — what is reported — and facts.

At some point in the past, the police were told by someone that Jones arranged the shooting. The article doesn't say how long ago that was. It could have been right after the shooting, it could have been a few months ago, it could have been a few weeks ago, or it could have been this week. The article never says. It simply says that police "HAD BEEN TOLD by an informant that Jones ordered the June 2007 shooting."

That detail had never been reported. ESPN just found out about it, so they're going to report it. That doesn't mean it just happened, nor does it mean that the NFL and/or the Cowboys didn't already know about it. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. The article doesn't say or imply one way or the other.

A distinction without a difference so far as this story is concerned.

Entirely untrue. The article never says anything about ESPN discovering new information that the NFL didn't have. It says ESPN discovered information that *ESPN* didn't have (or that the media didn't have), and then ESPN contacted the NFL. Whether the NFL already knew about it isn't mentioned in the article one way or another. You claimed ESPN "informed" the NFL about it, which is an assumption without any proof.

Oh good, so you agree that ESPN's story and Pacman's subsequent release are very likely connected. I mean, who gets released on January 7th without a very good (usually negative) reason?

Didn't I just explain that? We don't know whether Jones is being released BECAUSE of the shooting or BECAUSE of the report. We also don't know whether the timing of his release is because of the report, but that is quite possible. Jerry and Wade and whoever else might have already planned on releasing Jones in February, but because they found out ESPN was going to do the report, they cut him now, rather than face even greater scrutiny after the report comes out.

Then again, you said there was nothing "new" or revealing in ESPN's story

No, I said the article doesn't mention any new developments, twists or turns in the case. The story about it, though, would be new and revealing to most people, because it hadn't been reported before. But some people — the police, for sure, and possibly the NFL and the Cowboys — already knew about it.

so why speed up his release if it's all *******?

I never said any of it was untrue.

 

[bbgun]

There's a difference between news — what is reported — and facts.

At some point in the past, the police were told by someone that Jones arranged the shooting. The article doesn't say how long ago that was. It could have been right after the shooting, it could have been a few months ago, it could have been a few weeks ago, or it could have been this week. The article never says. It simply says that police "HAD BEEN TOLD by an informant that Jones ordered the June 2007 shooting."

That detail had never been reported. ESPN just found out about it, so they're going to report it. That doesn't mean it just happened, nor does it mean that the NFL and/or the Cowboys didn't already know about it. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. The article doesn't say or imply one way or the other.




Entirely untrue. The article never says anything about ESPN discovering new information that the NFL didn't have. It says ESPN discovered information that *ESPN* didn't have (or that the media didn't have), and then ESPN contacted the NFL. Whether the NFL already knew about it isn't mentioned in the article one way or another. You claimed ESPN "informed" the NFL about it, which is an assumption without any proof.




Didn't I just explain that? We don't know whether Jones is being released BECAUSE of the shooting or BECAUSE of the report. We also don't know whether the timing of his release is because of the report, but that is quite possible. Jerry and Wade and whoever else might have already planned on releasing Jones in February, but because they found out ESPN was going to do the report, they cut him now, rather than face even greater scrutiny after the report comes out.



No, I said the article doesn't mention any new developments, twists or turns in the case. The story about it, though, would be new and revealing to most people, because it hadn't been reported before. But some people — the police, for sure, and possibly the NFL and the Cowboys — already knew about it.



I never said any of it was untrue.

Translation: bbgun was right about the "hit man" angle being the latest "development" in this old story. He was also right when he said that negative publicity, not the welfare of the team, compelled Jerry to cut ties with Pac sooner than later. But since bb didn't parse his words to my satisfaction, I'm gonna be an argumentative jerk about it. Why? Because that's what I do.

Pacman's gone. Stuff your silly games and just savor the moment.

 

[AKATheRake]

Don't fool yourselves..he did not play up to what they thought, Jenkins and Scandrick played well, and that neck injury worries them...

This has zero to do with any legal issues...except that it serves as an excuse.

Another solid Jerry Jones move...idiot

I agree and there is no cap hit, just savings. Jerry isn't gonna go after a lot of FA's but he's gonna go get Shanny or a stud this offseason. These cap savings of over $10 million at this point do add to the bottom line if he only does 1.

 

[bootsy]

For what? 10 games of an average CB, horrible punt returns and a critical kickoff fumble in a must win last game?

That doesn't even begin to offset the PR disaster and the locker room BS bringing him in has caused.

It was a typical Jerry bargain hunter gamble that flopped. How can you paint it any other way?

PR disaster? No the PR disaster would have been had Jerry not cut him after this latest report. The trade doesn't affect anyone except Pacman Jones. Not the Cowboys. They got rid of dead weight and didn't lose anything for it.

 

[RainMan]

Not our problem any more.

Hopefully, for Pacman's sake, he's able to stay out of trouble and not get himself killed. He does have a little girl to take care of, after all, and I'm sure a lot of other family pulling for him.

 

[wileedog]

So now Ed Werder is a shill for Jerry Jones?

Ed Werder is a shill for Ed Werder. Whatever he has to say to get his face on TV he will say.

What makes you think he has any other horse in anyone's else's race?

 

[wileedog]

PR disaster? No the PR disaster would have been had Jerry not cut him after this latest report. The trade doesn't affect anyone except Pacman Jones. Not the Cowboys. They got rid of dead weight and didn't lose anything for it.

Wrong. They did.

From a marketing standpoint, from a locker-room standpoint, and from a clear message to the players that the owner will hand pick someone and stick him in the starting lineup regardless of work ethic or off the field issues. Or regardless what the Head Coach feels about it.

If you are playing Madden this cost nothing but a slight move down the draft order. In the real world where players and coaches have actual feelings and motivations bringing in Pacman cost a lot.

 

[AdamJT13]

Translation: bbgun was right about the "hit man" angle being the latest "development" in this old story. He was also right when he said that negative publicity, not the welfare of the team, compelled Jerry to cut ties with Pac sooner than later. But since bb didn't parse his words to my satisfaction, I'm gonna be an argumentative jerk about it. Why? Because that's what I do.

It's more like: bbgun is making statements that aren't factually true and assumptions that aren't supported by facts, but it's possible that he might be right about some things some of the time.

Gotta love the petty namecalling in there, too. How typical.

 

[28 Joker]

Not our problem any more.

Hopefully, for Pacman's sake, he's able to stay out of trouble and not get himself killed. He does have a little girl to take care of, after all, and I'm sure a lot of other family pulling for him.

That was well stated and true. I've been dropping bombs today, but you are right.

 

[bootsy]

Wrong. They did.

From a marketing standpoint, from a locker-room standpoint, and from a clear message to the players that the owner will hand pick someone and stick him in the starting lineup regardless of work ethic or off the field issues. Or regardless what the Head Coach feels about it.

If you are playing Madden this cost nothing but a slight move down the draft order. In the real world where players and coaches have actual feelings and motivations bringing in Pacman cost a lot.

Good lord get off your high horse. The players feelings. This move didn't cost us. It was a high risk trade with nothing at stake except Pacman's career. If he turned it around it would be a brilliant move by the Cowboys and great for Pacman. If not then the Cowboys could cut him, lose a 4th round pick from last year and owe him no money and keep it moving. Which they did. The players feelings. You gotta be kidding me.

 

[wileedog]

The players feelings. You gotta be kidding me.

The media reported multiple players thought just sticking Pacman back into the lineup after his suspension was a big ** to Orlando Scandrick, who had been playing lights out in his absence. It further solidified the point around here that it doesn't matter how hard you work, how well you play, or if you just keep screwing up, the owner is going to play who he wants to.

A lot of players reportedly didn't want him here in the first place, and they were right.

Go launch Madden.