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BAT;2757755 said:
I agree with that too. I just believe that the left side should generate more consistent pressure. I don't think Bradie's numbers should be counted w/the left side, at least half of his sacks came from the right side when he lined up in the 46.


Also, Rat will shade the right side quite a bit as well. If anything the most consistent complementary pressure came from the middle of the line, not the left side. In addition to Rat, both Bradie & Burnett would shoot the middle gaps very effectively as well.


Cowboys need more consistent pressure from the left side.


Pressure up the middle I think is the biggest reason for Wares success other than his natural awesomeness.
 

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burmafrd;2757752 said:
One thing Jerruh should have been doing during the offseason was working on the NFL officials making them look at the tape when they were penalizing ware for being offsides when he wasn't. We need to keep working that so that the word gets out to the officials that ware is just lightning quick, not offsides.
Exactly. I think he had 2 sacks taken away for offsides calls when he times it perfectly.
 

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chinch;2757765 said:
this team never shuts up to do it's talking for the field.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, he should follow the lead set by the playoff caliber teams like the Giants, whose players never talk at all.
 

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theogt;2757714 said:
Ellis, Spencer, Spears and Bradie (i.e., the left side of the defensive front seven) registered 19 sacks. That's compared to 24 from the right side. Obviously Ware makes that difference, but it's not like we weren't getting production from the other side.
From what I saw with my own eyes, it wasn't consistant. It was pressure here, pressure there, but if they could apply pressure on 1 out of 2 QB drops, maybe 1 out of 3, then this defense could crazy good.

I noticed pressure coming up from the middle a lot, I'm not asking for a million sacks from that side, I'm asking for consistant pressure.
 

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Judas;2757781 said:
From what I saw with my own eyes, it wasn't consistant. It was pressure here, pressure there, but if they could apply pressure on 1 out of 2 QB drops, maybe 1 out of 3, then this defense could crazy good.

I noticed pressure coming up from the middle a lot, I'm not asking for a million sacks from that side, I'm asking for consistant pressure.
It doesn't really matter what you saw with your own eyes, if the facts say different. The problem with "your own eyes" is that they don't always tell the truth.
 

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CATCH17;2757771 said:
Pressure up the middle I think is the biggest reason for Wares success other than his natural awesomeness.

Oh, it definitely is and that's why I never understand why people wanted to move Ratliff from DT to DE. That middle penetration from Ratliff and James is what stops a pocket from forming, thus limiting the QBs ability to step up when he feels outside pressure.

As to Ware's goal, I think he can do it. Better yet, he should set his goal at 28 sacks. That would be 1.75 sacks per game, the same rate at which Reggie White produced when he had 21 sacks in 12 games, in 1987. Even if Ware gets to 20 sacks again it will be worth note, I don't think any other player has ever had back to back 20+ sack seasons.

Scratch that, I don't think that any other player has ever had two 20+ sack seasons in their career. At least no one since sacks became an official stat.
 

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I have to scratch my head at the same fans who sat through years of Mike Zimmer and his 25 sack defenses now saying that this team doesn't get enough QB pressure.
 

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nyc;2757537 said:
You know why clichés exist? Because they're true. People just don't like it when someone points out what should have been obvious, so they inauspiciously refer to what was said as a "cliché".

Cliché or not cliché is irrelevent as the fact of the situation doesn't change.

This is just pedantry at its most obnoxious. The best defender in the league owns up to having made technical mistakes that he is aiming to correct, ostensibly through practicing and effort, in setting a goal for himself in the next season.

And you channel your inner Yoda with a "Do or do not, there is no try" kind of response. I mean, come on. This is just silliness. The guy is admitting he missed opportunities, and he's setting a goal for himself to miss less. You're going to insinuate they were mistakes because he didn't work hard enough?

Just absolute nuttery.
 

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I get a lot of enjoyment seeing Ware play ... and getting his sacks.

In general, though, I tend to think that Wade puts too much emphasis on sacks.

The Cowboys defense led the league in sacks (which is great), but wouldn't it be even better to lead the league in scoring defense?
 

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Shinywalrus;2757795 said:
This is just pedantry at its most obnoxious. The best defender in the league owns up to having made technical mistakes that he is aiming to correct, ostensibly through practicing and effort, in setting a goal for himself in the next season.

And you channel your inner Yoda with a "Do or do not, there is no try" kind of response. I mean, come on. This is just silliness. The guy is admitting he missed opportunities, and he's setting a goal for himself to miss less. You're going to insinuate they were mistakes because he didn't work hard enough?

Just absolute nuttery.
:laugh2:
 

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theogt;2757783 said:
It doesn't really matter what you saw with your own eyes, if the facts say different. The problem with "your own eyes" is that they don't always tell the truth.
If I see it, I see it and what I saw was that the other side did not apply constant pressure.

Now why watch the games if you're going to live by stats? May as well read the papers Monday morning, it should tell you all you need to know.

I know you like being right all the time, but you rarely are, so maybe you should give your opinions on cooking next time, I may actually listen.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2757792 said:
I have to scratch my head at the same fans who sat through years of Mike Zimmer and his 25 sack defenses now saying that this team doesn't get enough QB pressure.
Why do you think they're constantly picking up OLBs dude? Instead of following each other's coat tails, try using your own brains.

Yes this team had sacks, if you want example of constant pressure, see the NY Giants of 2007-2008
 

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Judas;2757819 said:
If I see it, I see it and what I saw was that the other side did not apply constant pressure.

Now why watch the games if you're going to live by stats? May as well read the papers Monday morning, it should tell you all you need to know.

I know you like being right all the time, but you rarely are, so maybe you should give your opinions on cooking next time, I may actually listen.
:laugh2: Theogt gets taken to school again!
 

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Judas;2757819 said:
If I see it, I see it and what I saw was that the other side did not apply constant pressure.

Now why watch the games if you're going to live by stats? May as well read the papers Monday morning, it should tell you all you need to know.

I know you like being right all the time, but you rarely are, so maybe you should give your opinions on cooking next time, I may actually listen.

Ouch...
 

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DeMarcus will be lucky to get 10 this season. Every team will double team him for the entire game this season. Philly did this in the last game of the season and he didnt attain a sack in that game. This leaves the door open for Spencer to get 10 plus sacks this year. This has nothing to do with his talent but when you have 2 or 3 guys blocking you the entire game its just impossible. Just the facts coming into the season. Ware had 20 sacks last year while Spencer has about 5(guess) in his career, you do the math. Ellis is too old. We need another pass rusher if Spencer cant do it this year.
 
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HomeOfLegends;2757371 said:
I'll be honest with ya, 7 more sacks by Ware would be great but I would prefer he gets 20 again and those 7 go to Spencer. Heck, I would be thrilled if Ware got 15, Spencer 7 and Igor 5.

My point is if we can get some increased pressure from the other 10 guys on defense our defense would be better off. You can slow down one guy, you cant account for everyone.

First, thanks Hos for the insight. However, I don't care who gets the sacks as long as they are gotten. To be perfectly honest, I would trade some of them in for more interceptions. Particularly the ones that in up in the endzone. Just continue the pressure.
 

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Judas;2757819 said:
If I see it, I see it and what I saw was that the other side did not apply constant pressure.

Now why watch the games if you're going to live by stats? May as well read the papers Monday morning, it should tell you all you need to know.

I know you like being right all the time, but you rarely are, so maybe you should give your opinions on cooking next time, I may actually listen.
And on the reverse side, if we're not going to look at stats, they shouldn't keep them at all. Maybe it's just me, but when I form an opinion, I form it based on *ALL* of the available information -- what my eyes tell me and what the stats/facts show.

Maybe you should try that. It helps your opinion be a little more -- informed. Its apparent it wasn't before.
 

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theogt;2757861 said:
And on the reverse side, if we're not going to look at stats, they shouldn't keep them at all. Maybe it's just me, but when I form an opinion, I form it based on *ALL* of the available information -- what my eyes tell me and what the stats/facts show.

Maybe you should try that. It helps your opinion be a little more -- informed.

Nice rebuttal

:popcorn:
 

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tomson75;2757777 said:
:rolleyes:

Yeah, he should follow the lead set by the playoff caliber teams like the Giants, whose players never talk at all.
Forgive him, his synapses don't fire, they spark.
 
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