This Season has NOT been a success

[wileedog]

There is no agenda. Believe me, I have no problem speaking exactly what I believe. I'm on record here as a Henson supporter and a Bledsoe yawner. (Not against him by any stretch, and think he has performed better than expected, but that he is still a part of the problem not the ultimate solution)

So, if I have a QB thread I want to start, I know how to do it.

I'm telling you that you can check back with me in 5 years and if we keep our current course we will still be a team happy just to make the playoffs. I'm of the opinion that the Cowboys have patched at the most important position of a team for years now, and this will continue to cost them. This is not separate from Parcells. His belief is that the QB position is a bus driver position. Build a defense, have a company of adequate to better than adequate runners, get you a big tight end, and bus drive the thing. You are seeing the New York Giants in creation because that is what Parcells knows. Mark it down, I will be more than happy to be proven wrong, but this team will be in this same position or worse in 5 years.

The Patriots you cited earlier are where they are because they completely lucked out with a 6th round pick.

They didn't trade a bunch of draft picks to move up and get a QB. They didn't pay megabucks in FA for a QB. They didn't trade players or more draft picks for someone elses QB.

In short, they put exactly as much effort into finding a QB as we have. Hire Drew Bledsoe and take a shot on a question mark Michigan QB.

So far their Michigan QB has worked out. Ours hasn't because he was out of football for 3 years.

That's the difference.

 

[superpunk]

His belief is that the QB position is a bus driver position. Build a defense, have a company of adequate to better than adequate runners, get you a big tight end, and bus drive the thing. You are seeing the New York Giants in creation because that is what Parcells knows. Mark it down, I will be more than happy to be proven wrong, but this team will be in this same position or worse in 5 years.

That was never more apparent than when BP had Drew set an NFL record for pass attempts in a single season, leading them to a SB, huh? BP knows how to build a team, there's almost noone better. Bledsoe is a fantastic QB, when given halfway adequate protection. Let Ends rush right at him, and wave the white flag inside the line, like we've done at times this year, and he'll struggle. Just like every QB since......forever. This team will have two super bowls in 5 years, mark it down.

 

[Doomsday101]

This season is not over just yet. Myself I have seen some positives this team can build on and some weakness we need to take care of but I don't consider this a bad season for the Cowboys up to this point.

 

[iceberg]

Talk about people living in the past, those people ranting and raving that we need to build like 1989 again sound like my grandfather ranting and raving bout how he could walk down to the fountain shop and buy a sodie water for a nickel.


I dare anyone to find a Superbowl winnner in the past 5-7 years that stripped everything down and built from scratch using all players that they drafted and groomed. The first thing Belichick did when he took over was sign 11 veteran free agents to fill roles like Anthony Pleasant, Roman Phifer, Antoine Smith and Terrell Buckley. Maybe the Rams of 1999-2000, but even they were led by a "non-pedigree" QB.

indie is a good example of a team with a plan. the giants? a bit old at rb but hey, tiki is still a top flight rb. great d? check. seems to have a plan.

and the first thing bellicheck did was get a young qb and built around his strengths too, didn't he? i don't argue non-pedigree, but then your "non-pedigree" sat our "pro bowler" down on his arse didn't he???

hmmmmm....

young uns should listen to their elders who've seen the futility of stupid decisions before, huh??? sigh...

 

[iceberg]

The Patriots you cited earlier are where they are because they completely lucked out with a 6th round pick.

They didn't trade a bunch of draft picks to move up and get a QB. They didn't pay megabucks in FA for a QB. They didn't trade players or more draft picks for someone elses QB.

In short, they put exactly as much effort into finding a QB as we have. Hire Drew Bledsoe and take a shot on a question mark Michigan QB.

So far their Michigan QB has worked out. Ours hasn't because he was out of football for 3 years.

That's the difference.

the only difference in the EXACT scenario is that brady got to play. oh, and then again, sat down our "pro bowl" oversight, didn't he?

the point isn't where you got your "qb" from the point is you pick a direction and go. parcells has picked WIN NOW at the expense of trying to groom / plan. it's not working. many call ALMOST making the playoffs a success - i call it blocking the progress needed to simply be competitive year in and year out.

 

[wileedog]

heh, that's right, compare a qb on the rise to one on the decline and call it apples. sorry, i put my quarter way and i ain't buying this comparison. find me a few people who'd rather have drew than payton and you've got a start, but still a long long way to go.

Trent Dilfer has more Superbowl Rings than Payton Manning.

The point is not that Dilfer (or Bledsoe) are better QBs than Manning. The point is that saying that Drew can't win a Superbowl because Drew has never won a Superbowl is completely illogical.

 

[superpunk]

The Patriots you cited earlier are where they are because they completely lucked out with a 6th round pick.

They didn't trade a bunch of draft picks to move up and get a QB. They didn't pay megabucks in FA for a QB. They didn't trade players or more draft picks for someone elses QB.

In short, they put exactly as much effort into finding a QB as we have. Hire Drew Bledsoe and take a shot on a question mark Michigan QB.

So far their Michigan QB has worked out. Ours hasn't because he was out of football for 3 years.

That's the difference.

If I had an award, I'd give it to you. Instead, enjoy this groovy smilie.

 

[iceberg]

That was never more apparent than when BP had Drew set an NFL record for pass attempts in a single season, leading them to a SB, huh? BP knows how to build a team, there's almost noone better. Bledsoe is a fantastic QB, when given halfway adequate protection. Let Ends rush right at him, and wave the white flag inside the line, like we've done at times this year, and he'll struggle. Just like every QB since......forever. This team will have two super bowls in 5 years, mark it down.

mark what, your lunacy????

where is this mythical OL help gonna come from? so far bp is a big goose egg on building this line HE FREAKING KNOWS he must have.

 

[iceberg]

Trent Dilfer has more Superbowl Rings than Payton Manning.

The point is not that Dilfer (or Bledsoe) are better QBs than Manning. The point is that saying that Drew can't win a Superbowl because Drew has never won a Superbowl is completely illogical.

i only said if drew COULD he'd likely have done it by now, wouldn't he? instead he was replaced by your "lucky shot" and that "lucky shot" did it, didn't he?

again, find me some fans who wouldn't want payton but keep drew. i'll be over here waiting.

 

[superpunk]

mark what, your lunacy????

where is this mythical OL help gonna come from? so far bp is a big goose egg on building this line HE FREAKING KNOWS he must have.

Who knows? The draft? Free agency? I'm pretty sure I've seen an offensive linemen or two available through those two venues.....

 

[iceberg]

Who knows? The draft? Free agency? I'm pretty sure I've seen an offensive linemen or two available through those two venues.....

peterman
rogers
johnson
petitti
rivera

we've tried. like any of those so far? why this "hope" bp is gonna get it right when we're this far back and have "this" to show.

i agree we need to bulk up here on the OL, i just have no faith bp is gonna all of a sudden start getting it right when he's 0-4.5 so far w/petitti having hope for the future.

but gosh, thanks for pointing out what i've been saying all along - we need to get better, but we need to figure out who keeps farting dust on these OL decisions and stop it.

 

[rcaldw]

I dare anyone to find a Superbowl winnner in the past 5-7 years that stripped everything down and built from scratch using all players that they drafted and groomed. The first thing Belichick did when he took over was sign 11 veteran free agents to fill roles like Anthony Pleasant, Antoine Smith and Terrell Buckley. Maybe the Rams of 1999-2000, but even they were led by a "non-pedigree" QB.

Those people ranting and raving that we need to build like 1989 again sound like my grandfather ranting and raving bout how he could walk down to the fountain shop and buy a sodie water for a nickel.

You forgot to mention what else Belichick stripped down. The QB position. Went with his own guy, a guy they drafted, Tom Brady.

YOU PATCH THE OTHER POSITIONS ON THE FIELD, BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE ABLE TO BE PATCHED. YOU DON'T PATCH THE QB POSITION.

That is the way to do it if you want to win LONG TERM. See the Patriots.

The Ravens got one with Dilfer, true, but how long was their success?
The Bucs got one with Brad Johnson, true, but aren't they trying to rebuild right now?

The Patriots and Colts sustain success because they have long term stability at QB. Period.

 

[superpunk]

peterman
rogers
johnson
petitti
rivera

Jury's still out on a few of those fellas. I sure liked how they played on Sat, against one of the best run D's in the league. That kind of performance has been the exception, not the rule, but it certainly gives me hope.

 

[wileedog]

the only difference in the EXACT scenario is that brady got to play. oh, and then again, sat down our "pro bowl" oversight, didn't he?

I missed all the playing time Brady got before Drew was hurt.

the point isn't where you got your "qb" from the point is you pick a direction and go. parcells has picked WIN NOW at the expense of trying to groom / plan. it's not working. many call ALMOST making the playoffs a success - i call it blocking the progress needed to simply be competitive year in and year out.

This WIN NOW crap is the biggest myth on this board.

Coaches who want to WIN NOW don't start a ton of rookies on defense, and in fact transition to a whole new defensive scheme. Coaches who want to WIN NOW don't leave their teams comfortably under the salary cap. Coaches who want to WIN NOW don't let veterans like Peerless Price walk because they don't want him to interfere with the development of Patrick Crayton.

If Henson deserved to be on the field he would be on the field. I don't care what Bill says he clearly didn't make all these moves this offseason expecting to make a serious run at a championship this year.

 

[iceberg]

Jury's still out on a few of those fellas. I sure liked how they played on Sat, against one of the best run D's in the league. That kind of performance has been the exception, not the rule, but it certainly gives me hope.

oh good god - the OL has been our baine all year long. sure the "jury is still out" and maybe somtimes they can put a good game on the field.

that's NOT consistant, is it? and when you're on a short timetable, you don't have a lot of luxury time for "jury watching".

 

[InmanRoshi]

indie is a good example of a team with a plan. the giants? a bit old at rb but hey, tiki is still a top flight rb. great d? check. seems to have a plan.

and the first thing bellicheck did was get a young qb and built around his strengths too, didn't he? i don't argue non-pedigree, but then your "non-pedigree" sat our "pro bowler" down on his arse didn't he???

hmmmmm....

young uns should listen to their elders who've seen the futility of stupid decisions before, huh??? sigh...

And how many Superbowls have Indy and the Giants won in recent years. Isn't it Superbowl or bust around here? So far Indy has been a bust.

No, the first thing Belichick did when he took over the Patriots was certainly not get a young QB to build his team around. He waited until the 5th round to draft a QB. He put his priority on rebuilding the lines, drafting OL and DL early in his first two drafts. Klemm, Randall, Light, Seymore. After a 5-11 season, he then went out and signed a bunch of band-aid veterans.

 

[iceberg]

I missed all the playing time Brady got before Drew was hurt.



This WIN NOW crap is the biggest myth on this board.

Coaches who want to WIN NOW don't start a ton of rookies on defense, and in fact transition to a whole new defensive scheme. Coaches who want to WIN NOW don't leave their teams comfortably under the salary cap. Coaches who want to WIN NOW don't let veterans like Peerless Price walk because they don't want him to interfere with the development of Patrick Crayton.

If Henson deserved to be on the field he would be on the field. I don't care what Bill says he clearly didn't make all these moves this offseason expecting to make a serious run at a championship this year.

if you think it's myth then that's all i need to know about ya, homer.

have a nice day.

 

[mally]

We Went 10-6 with Carter the year we made the playoffs did we not ? Do you call that a successful season now ? BS about this successful crap, if we dont make the playoffs its not a success PERIOD !!!!! Im tired of saying this. Ask Parcells and Jerry if the season is a success if we dont make the playoffs. See what they say. Cmon people use your damn heads.

 

[superpunk]

You forgot to mention what else Belichick stripped down. The QB position. Went with his own guy, a guy they drafted, Tom Brady.

YOU PATCH THE OTHER POSITIONS ON THE FIELD, BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE ABLE TO BE PATCHED. YOU DON'T PATCH THE QB POSITION.

That is the way to do it if you want to win LONG TERM. See the Patriots.

If you like the Pats so much, why don't you marry them? LOL. jk

Are you seriously gonna sit there, with a straight face, and try to tell me that having a sixth round draft pick, step into a game ONLY BECAUSE OF INJURY, and play amazingly well isn't luck? Hell, Tom Brady's career started as a "patch." Bellichick did not "go with his guy." He had to start Tom, because Bledsoe went down. To paint that scenario as some sort of grand master plan by BB is just revisionist history.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I missed all the playing time Brady got before Drew was hurt.



This WIN NOW crap is the biggest myth on this board.

Coaches who want to WIN NOW don't start a ton of rookies on defense, and in fact transition to a whole new defensive scheme. Coaches who want to WIN NOW don't leave their teams comfortably under the salary cap. Coaches who want to WIN NOW don't let veterans like Peerless Price walk because they don't want him to interfere with the development of Patrick Crayton.

If Henson deserved to be on the field he would be on the field. I don't care what Bill says he clearly didn't make all these moves this offseason expecting to make a serious run at a championship this year.

He's been called on it again and again. He still clings to this disproven argumentlike a security blanket. Now you've called him on it again, and he's taking his ball and going home. Its sad.