This Season has NOT been a success

[Cowboy4ever]

This yeas has been a success. To say because we didnt get in the play offs,, or superbowl, if that should happen, somehow means this team wasn't sucessful is stupid IMO. I have been alive 35 years and proudly supporting the Cowboys for 32 of them. I been threw it all, the championships and the 1-15 seasons. And one thing i know for sure, is this is a team that we can be proud of. This team has shown more fight and heart than any team wearing a star in the last 8-9 years. Did they make mistakes, yes. Can improvement be made in certain areas,, like the OL and the QB, yes and they need to be. But this is a success to me, because for the first time in a long time, we have a team that plays with heart. They are not perfect, but damnit, they don't give up either. I think the peices are coming together rather nicely for this team. yes we need another good, young wr, we need a good young QB, we need to re vamp the OL. Adams was not that big of a loss. Yes he was better at pass protecting than tucker, but we coudln't run behind him when he was in either. So.. We need to get after that area ASAP. But realistically, we are about 3 good players in the right positions to being a very serious contender for the SB, next year. Even though I dont think Drew B is anykind of answer, I do think he can take us there at least. So to me, this has been a successful year,, not as sucessful as i would like, but its about where I thought we would be. I predicted, 10-6 and playoff birth. We are what we are, a competive team, on the rise. Much better than the 2002-03 teams. And that is a success.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

we are paying attention AND looking long term.

a constant long term playoff team doesn't have a retread qb, 2 aging wr's and a coach who could retire in a year or two.

do they?

You can always find WR's in the draft and free agency......

QB is a little concerning ,but it will be a whole lot easier to put one in there with the team already built..

defense is stacked....

Salary cap is now our friend....

Bill is not getting any younger ,but he trains HC's very well.....

 

[iceberg]

This yeas has been a success. To say because we didnt get in the play offs,, or superbowl, if that should happen, somehow means this team wasn't sucessful is stupid IMO. I have been alive 35 years and proudly supporting the Cowboys for 32 of them. I been threw it all, the championships and the 1-15 seasons. And one thing i know for sure, is this is a team that we can be proud of. This team has shown more fight and heart than any team wearing a star in the last 8-9 years. Did they make mistakes, yes. Can improvement be made in certain areas,, like the OL and the QB, yes and they need to be. But this is a success to me, because for the first time in a long time, we have a team that plays with heart. They are not perfect, but damnit, they don't give up either. I think the peices are coming together rather nicely for this team. yes we need another good, young wr, we need a good young QB, we need to re vamp the OL. Adams was not that big of a loss. Yes he was better at pass protecting than tucker, but we coudln't run behind him when he was in either. So.. We need to get after that area ASAP. But realistically, we are about 3 good players in the right positions to being a very serious contender for the SB, next year. Even though I dont think Drew B is anykind of answer, I do think he can take us there at least. So to me, this has been a successful year,, not as sucessful as i would like, but its about where I thought we would be. I predicted, 10-6 and playoff birth. We are what we are, a competive team, on the rise. Much better than the 2002-03 teams. And that is a success.

so i'm "stupid" because i don't see things like you?

wow.

 

[iceberg]

You can always find WR's in the draft and free agency......

QB is a little concerning ,but it will be a whole lot easier to put one in there with the team already built..

defense is stacked....

Salary cap is now our friend....

Bill is not getting any younger ,but he trains HC's very well.....

i disagree. it helps to know what your qb can and can't do well before you put a team around said qb.

 

[superpunk]

Wiledog, you aren't paying attention. I never said that BB had a grand master plan with Brady. I'm saying he already knew that Bledsoe wasn't the ultimate answer. That is why he went with Brady so quickly and so resolutely. Did he see something in Brady? I'm sure he did. But there is no way he or anyone else saw Brady developing like he has. It was simply a commitment to the future, to what CAN BE instead of what he already knew the limits to be.

"You forgot to mention what else Belichick stripped down. The QB position. Went with his own guy, a guy they drafted, Tom Brady."

That's what you said. It certainly seems like you're making it sound like it was BB's master plan to "go with his own guy, a guy he drafted." The Patriots got lucky. Who knows, maybe we'll luck out, Drew will get injured early next year, Henson will come in and be a world beater. That would be the exact same situation as NE. I'll trust the guy who has found and developed HOFers like Phil Simms, and quite possibly evil Drew Bledsoe, to tell me when and if Henson is ready.

 

[wileedog]

Wiledog, you aren't paying attention. I never said that BB had a grand master plan with Brady. I'm saying he already knew that Bledsoe wasn't the ultimate answer. That is why he went with Brady so quickly and so resolutely. Did he see something in Brady? I'm sure he did. But there is no way he or anyone else saw Brady developing like he has. It was simply a commitment to the future, to what CAN BE instead of what he already knew the limits to be.

That is where I see him being a lot different than Parcells. He will move forward. Parcells keeps looking backwards.

Or maybe Parcells just hasn't seen anything yet from Henson that tells him he's worth handing the team over to him. Did that thought cross your mind?

Belichick DIDN'T DO what you are accusing Bill of not doing - he didn't sit a perfectly healthy Bledsoe and start Tom Brady. At the end of the year when Drew was healthy again, Brady had obviously showed enough that Belichick was comfortbable deciding he was going to give Brady the team next year, because 6th round draft picks are a butload cheaper on the old salary cap then pro Bowl QBs, especially if you can get better production out of them.

That is the bottom line.

 

[iceberg]

Or maybe Parcells just hasn't seen anything yet from Henson that tells him he's worth handing the team over to him. Did that thought cross your mind?

Belichick DIDN'T DO what you are accusing Bill of not doing - he didn't sit a perfectly healthy Bledsoe and start Tom Brady. At the end of the year when Drew was healthy again, Brady had obviously showed enough that Belichick could be comfortbable enough to decide he was going to give Brady the team next year, because 6th round draft picks are a butload cheaper on the old salary cap then pro Bowl QBs, especially if you can get better produciton out of them.

That is the bottom line.

so, *are you saying* bb got lucky and it wasn't skill that built up a team that history will show is as good as any cowboys franchise we've fielded? the fact remains (or the bottom line, as you call it) he benched drew, put in someone to go for a longer term approach, and it worked.

odds are the long term plan will work long before the win now one will. sue me for wanting to go w/the odds.

 

[Doomsday101]

Or maybe Parcells just hasn't seen anything yet from Henson that tells him he's worth handing the team over to him. Did that thought cross your mind?

Belichick DIDN'T DO what you are accusing Bill of not doing - he didn't sit a perfectly healthy Bledsoe and start Tom Brady. At the end of the year when Drew was healthy again, Brady had obviously showed enough that Belichick could be comfortbable enough to decide he was going to give Brady the team next year, because 6th round draft picks are a butload cheaper on the old salary cap then pro Bowl QBs, especially if you can get better produciton out of them.

That is the bottom line.

I agree with that. Once Brady showed he could do the job there was no way the Pats or any team is going to pay out big money for a QB to sit on the bench. Bledsoe departing NE had a lot to do with salary issues.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

i disagree. it helps to know what your qb can and can't do well before you put a team around said qb.

Big ben ring a bell.

Eli walked into a great situation also....

Brady did in New England...

Testeverde and then Pennington did with the Jets....

Steve Young did with the Niners then later with the Niners T.O.'s favorite QB did...

 

[rcaldw]

"You forgot to mention what else Belichick stripped down. The QB position. Went with his own guy, a guy they drafted, Tom Brady."

That's what you said. It certainly seems like you're making it sound like it was BB's master plan to "go with his own guy, a guy he drafted." The Patriots got lucky. Who knows, maybe we'll luck out, Drew will get injured early next year, Henson will come in and be a world beater. That would be the exact same situation as NE. I'll trust the guy who has found and developed HOFers like Phil Simms, and quite possibly evil Drew Bledsoe, to tell me when and if Henson is ready.

I can see we just don't agree on this, and obviously that's fine. But let me attempt to make my point clear one more time.

WHEN HE SAW HIS OPPORTUNITY - HE WENT IN ANOTHER DIRECTION WITH THE QB POSITION.

Was he lucky with Brady? Yes. But as soon as he saw something, he didn't hesitate.

I say, and I'll say to my grave, Bill Parcells would have never made that move. PERIOD. No way, no how.

And I guess we can debate that one too, but if you disagree with me on that point, you know in your heart that your just plain wrong.

 

[wileedog]

i disagree. it helps to know what your qb can and can't do well before you put a team around said qb.

Do you work for the Texans?

 

[MapleLeaf]

Are you kidding me? The team rallied around Bledsoe that day. Brady hadn't accomplished anything to that point in his career. BB could have gone back to Bledsoe easily. He didn't. And you know why? He was looking LONG TERM not what gives us THE BEST CHANCE THIS DAY. Alot different than Parcells.

...fabricating things here. At no time during the Patriots first run did BB say he was ditching the season to see how this Brady kid turns out.

Bledsoe had a "life threatening" injury. Brady had to play. It had nothing to do with "Long Term" it was he needed to put in his best QB.

I'm certain the coaches had a feeling for what they had with Brady or else they would have searched the waiver wire. They wer still in the playoff hunt and you don't throw games in this league.

In the time I have watched the Patriots I have never had the feeling that BB never has NOT played to WIN!!!

By the time Drew was ready to see the field this kid had caught lightning in a bottle and Belechick would have been a fool to upset the apple cart. All he would have to do is wait for the kid to fall flat on his face then reinstate the veteran. Has history shows outside of one game Bledsoe lost his opportunity to Brady.

Notice how Bledsoe doesn't harbour any ill will towards Brady? I thkn Drew knew that this teams was Tom's after the SuperBowl win and he waswn't going to change that no matter what.

Your proposal is preposterous!

 

[iceberg]

Big ben ring a bell.

Eli walked into a great situation also....

Brady did in New England...

Testeverde and then Pennington did with the Jets....

Steve Young did with the Niners then later with the Niners T.O.'s favorite QB did...

did i say "end all be all"?

no. so please don't act as if i did.

thanks.

 

[wileedog]

so, *are you saying* bb got lucky and it wasn't skill that built up a team that history will show is as good as any cowboys franchise we've fielded? the fact remains (or the bottom line, as you call it) he benched drew, put in someone to go for a longer term approach, and it worked.

odds are the long term plan will work long before the win now one will. sue me for wanting to go w/the odds.

HE DIDNT BENCH DREW. Bledsoe was hurt. Brady came in and preformed well enough that there was no reason to pay Bledsoe millions of dollars any more.

Why is this so hard to understand?

And yes, when it comes to the QB position, he was lucky as all heck. If Tom Brady had turned out to be Tony Romo (as his draft position would suggest), would Belichick have all those rings?

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

did i say "end all be all"?

no. so please don't act as if i did.

thanks.

I was not trying to be smart ..
I am just saying it happens quite often and is not unusual....
I just think great QB's are hard to find ,so why not put it together in the mean time...
If I came off to you as a butt , Then I appologize

 

[wileedog]

Was he lucky with Brady? Yes. But as soon as he saw something, he didn't hesitate.

Fine.

What has Bill seen from Henson? You really think he looked very 'Brady-esque" in preseason or against the BEars last year?

 

[rcaldw]

...fabricating things here. At no time during the Patriots first run did BB say he was ditching the season to see how this Brady kid turns out.

Bledsoe had a "life threatening" injury. Brady had to play. It had nothing to do with "Long Term" it was he needed to put in his best QB.

I'm certain the coaches had a feeling for what they had with Brady or else they would have searched the waiver wire. They wer still in the playoff hunt and you don't throw games in this league.

In the time I have watched the Patriots I have never had the feeling that BB never has NOT played to WIN!!!

By the time Drew was ready to see the field this kid had caught lightning in a bottle and Belechick would have been a fool to upset the apple cart. All he would have to do is wait for the kid to fall flat on his face then reinstate the veteran. Has history shows outside of one game Bledsoe lost his opportunity to Brady.

Notice how Bledsoe doesn't harbour any ill will towards Brady? I thkn Drew knew that this teams was Tom's after the SuperBowl win and he waswn't going to change that no matter what.

Your proposal is preposterous!

Want to talk about fabrication. Bledsoe bit his lip. He has been interviewed on that topic. He felt he was sold out. He just was the bigger man. And in terms of restating a veteran, you have a very short memory.

Bledsoe had already been to a Super Bowl - Brady hadn't
Bledsoe was a pro bowler already - Brady wasn't
Bledsoe got hurt trying to make a play for his team
Bledsoe was still young
Bledsoe had just come off the bench and led them to the Super Bowl in the biggest game that year, the AFC Championship game

It would not have been impossible to put him back in, it just doesn't accord with your theory.

Fact is, Belecheck made a choice. He saw more in Brady than he did in Bledsoe, and went with the younger guy.

 

[superpunk]

I can see we just don't agree on this, and obviously that's fine. But let me attempt to make my point clear one more time.

WHEN HE SAW HIS OPPORTUNITY - HE WENT IN ANOTHER DIRECTION WITH THE QB POSITION.

Was he lucky with Brady? Yes. But as soon as he saw something, he didn't hesitate.

I say, and I'll say to my grave, Bill Parcells would have never made that move. PERIOD. No way, no how.

And I guess we can debate that one too, but if you disagree with me on that point, you know in your heart that your just plain wrong.

What "move" are you talking about? You make it seem like some stroke of coaching genius that BB started Brady. He did it because Bledsoe was injured! If bledsoe stays healthy, Brady doesn't see the field that year. As for your mind-reading of BP, who knows? Didn't he have a similar situation in Phil Simms and Jeff Hostetler? In any case, I don't see what good debating a hypothetical about what BP would do ina certain situation does.

 

[iceberg]

HE DIDNT BENCH DREW. Bledsoe was hurt. Brady came in and preformed well enough that there was no reason to pay Bledsoe millions of dollars any more.

Why is this so hard to understand?

And yes, when it comes to the QB position, he was lucky as all heck. If Tom Brady had turned out to be Tony Romo (as his draft position would suggest), would Belichick have all those rings?

heh, you like to use "logic" to dig at my comparisons then turn around and make the same logical comparisons for your stance, yet it's all ok for you cause, hell...it's your point.

you could win A superbowl out of luck. you don't build a dynasty that way, do you?

when drew was healthy, what happened?

 

[rcaldw]

Fine.

What has Bill seen from Henson? You really think he looked very 'Brady-esque" in preseason or against the BEars last year?

Wile Im not even talking about Henson, you guys are. Would I like to see Henson get a chance? Yes. But is the only guy I would accept? By no means. Just please don't give me Tony Romo.

Go get a guy we can have back there for years, that is what I'm asking for. Whomever that might be.