This team seems to hate WRs with 4.4 or better speed

[RonnieT24]

It's funny you post the athletics link Ronnie as that's what I was getting at too with my post earlier.

I work with kids at my local athletics club ad get involved in the time-keeping side of things at events. as you say, 0.2 of a second results in a pretty big gap for top class athletes running at speed.

Yeah I don't know how a person could arrive at the conclusions that guy presented. Clearly not a runner.. ever..

 

[Cowboys5217]

I hope you're being sarcastic.

He almost had me, but my sarcasm detector still works.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's not that we don't value them, it's that we are terrible at player evaluations. That's what happens when your GM is not a football guy.

Jerry ain’t the scout though. Player evaluations aren’t a issue here.

 

[John813]

The harping over a .1 of a second in a straight line run can be hilarious at times when it comes to football.
Yes, in track, it makes a difference.

There's a reason why you simply don't draft the fastest guy in shorts and he's the next Tyreek Hill.
Cause playing WR is hard, requires not only physical talent but mental/timing in the NFL and having straight line speed isn't the end all.

For the few WR's that can run a ~4.3 and actually have the skill set to be a good WR they get taken early or have some weird flag that causes them to drop (Metcalf).

40 times, within reason of course. A WR running a 4.5 can easily get open deep as a 4.3-4.4 guy. If their only trick up their sleeve is to run fast forward any secondary can shut them down.

 

[CouchCoach]

Goes back to Dallas drafting Mike Sherrard, fastest guy in the draft. He was so fast he broke his leg just running.....twice, the second time jogging on the beach as rehab. I think he broke the sound barrier, and his legs, but do not have any proof.

 

[quickccc]

His quickness should allow him to beat the jam on safeties and lesser corners. Guys who can't match his quickness.. The ones who can will be able to neutralize him of course but there are plenty of corners in the league who can neither run with him nor stay in front of him long enough to jam him. If our OC truly wanted to use him he'd scheme up ways of getting Turpin isolated on those corners or a safety.. But that would require in depth analysis of each opposing player's capabilities instead of treating them all like chess pieces and that all it takes to win is your brilliant moves. We see every week that Moore does next to nothing to take advantage of matchup advantages we have.. So we should not be surprised that he doesn't see any use for Turpin..

Can you name another 152 pound WR around in the NFL that is being used, even occasionally in the passing game ?

An 150 pounds is very awfully under-sized and slight.!
Even Lucky Whitehead - nor Tavon Austin - wasn't that moth-ball size framed.

Turpin would have to have play- strength at the line to some degree,.. otherwise you'd be so hard pressed to give him packages and designs where he has pre-snap, on the move momentum
against zones where he can get free off the line without a DB laying touch on him.

And training camp practice is an entirely different animal than actual NFL competition games and situations.

 

[KJJ]

Speed doesn’t guarantee a receiver is going to be any good. Alexander Wright was one of the fastest receivers the Cowboys ever had and he was never a good receiver. Two of the greatest receivers the Cowboys ever had Drew Pearson and Michael Irvin weren’t speed burners.

 

[mattjames2010]

Fast 40s doesn't translate to greatness on gameday. Stop using this as a metric. Not everyone is Tyreek Hill.

 

[Tommy]

Bill Walsh had one of the fastest men in the world at WR in Renaldo Nehemiah and couldn't do anything with him.

Bill Walsh was a moron! He must have been using Garrett's playbook.

 

[RonnieT24]

Can you name another 152 pound WR around in the NFL that is being used, even occasionally in the passing game ?

An 150 pounds is very awfully under-sized and slight.!
Even Lucky Whitehead - nor Tavon Austin - wasn't that moth-ball size framed.

Turpin would have to have play- strength at the line to some degree,.. otherwise you'd be so hard pressed to give him packages and designs where he has pre-snap, on the move momentum
against zones where he can get free off the line without a DB laying touch on him.

And training camp practice is an entirely different animal than actual NFL competition games and situations.

There aren't any.. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be. Yes Turpin is small.. tiny even.. however you watch guys trying to get a hand on him when he's returning kicks and you can clearly see he has the ability and agility to avoid people getting hands on him. Remove the ball under his arm from the equation and he gains even greater capability in that regard. No one is calling for him to be getting 50 snaps a game at receiver.. But 5-10 plays a game is not unreasonable. If only to have him sprint down the field and see if a safety can stay with him.. All you need is tape of him blowing by the free safety one time and the work will be done even if the pass is not completed. From that point on he will be getting a 15 yard cushion every time he comes in at receiver. If Dak sees a defender that far off raise up and sling it to him and take the cheap 8-10 yards.

As for the training camp and preseason comparison.. Have you noticed a ton of difference in how well the other teams' coverage units contain him vs what we saw in preseason? Aside from kicking it out of the end zone or having him get taken down by his own man there hasn't been much indication that what he did in the preseason was drastically different from what we're seeing against live bullets.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Alexander Wright was amazing. I’ll take him over Irvin all day.

LOL

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

People talking about Turpin being small not like he has to be on the field every offensive play, just a few to maybe turn the tide. Get creative or use as a decoy or something, my gosh getting paid 7 figures and nothing.

 

[TheDuke]

All or nothing, knee jerk type of OP

 

[gimmesix]

T williams, m Gallup, c lamb. All 4.51s. Or 4.52. Cooper was a 4.4. But they didn’t send him deep a lot. Tolbert runs4.49 he’s in the bench. Simi runs 4.4 he so on the bench. Turpin looks 4.3 ish. He doesn’t see the field in offense

The faster guys we've got aren't as good as the slower guys we've got. Or do you really think the team wanted Noah Brown to be its second or third receiver this year?

This post is a product of the grass is greener mentality. These speed receivers have to prove in practice that they deserve more snaps. Now, that can be hard to do, so sometimes a Miles Austin has to be given a chance during a game to show he belongs, but for the most part, the coaches want to play their best players, so these speed guys need to show them that they should be out there.

 

[exciter]

T williams, m Gallup, c lamb. All 4.51s. Or 4.52. Cooper was a 4.4. But they didn’t send him deep a lot. Tolbert runs4.49 he’s in the bench. Simi runs 4.4 he so on the bench. Turpin looks 4.3 ish. He doesn’t see the field in offense

Yup! Because that 1/10th of a second is so much more important that actually being able to play effectively!

 

[erod]

Take the fastest 10 receivers in football. About 8 of them suck.

 

[cnuball21]

Take the fastest 10 receivers in football. About 8 of them suck.

Lol facts

 

[HanD]

elijah moore is unhappy in ny. i'd consider him if the price was a mid round pick or send jalen tolbert back for him.

not that 40 yard dash is the end all

 

[diamonddelts]

Raiders love speed as well. Thank God they took the killer when they did

James Jett was the best receiver in N.F.L. history.

 

[RonnieT24]

Something to keep in mind is that guys who are stupid fast have probably been stupid fast all their lives and as such have never really been forced to fully learn to play receiver.. That's true even if they've played football their entire lives.. They've been able to run by people as long as they can remember so the need to develop as a route runner, coverage reader etc just really hasn't been there. Guy who have not possessed that kind of speed have had to work on different things to get to this level. That's why those guys tend to have longer careers than one trick pony types. D-Jax is sort of the exception but he's bounced around on half the teams in the league by now.. which should tell you something..