This team seems to hate WRs with 4.4 or better speed

[RonnieT24]

I think people put way too much stock into 40 times. Think about it like this - stand in one spot and call it 4.5, 4.51, or 4.52. Now step forward about 12 inches and call that 4.3. Is there really that much of a gap between the two? Step forward another 2 or 3 inches and call it 4.2 - has the distance increased much?

If we were comparing 4.4 speeds to something like 6.0, only then would there be a noticeable distance. But 4.3 compared to 4.5? The 4.5 guy can still reach out and put his hand on the shoulder of the 4.3 guy within the 1st 50 yards.

You're actually dead wrong about this.. Go watch a world class 100 meter dash sometime and see how far apart the runners are even though their times are separated by mere hundredths of a second. A tenth of a second at top speed for these guys is more like 1-2 yards than a few inches as you characterize it. Take a look at this picture.



In it you see Usain Bolt winning the 100 meter dash at 9.81. Now look at the last place guy's time. It's 10.06. A difference of .25 seconds. Does that look like a few inches difference to you? It look more like 2-3 yards to me. Gatlin is .08 seconds behind and though he might be able to reach out and touch Bolt he is straining so hard he'd probably fall over if he did. The third place guy is exactly 0.1 seconds behand Bolt at 9.91. He is easily a yard behind. And mind you at this point all the guys are slowing down because their bodies have been in oxygen debt for the last 30-40 meters of the race. At top speed they were running faster and the difference between them for every tick of the clock was greater.

 

[Creeper]

I wouldn't mind Dallas getting a legit 4.3 guy as a 3rd or 4th receiver. But they need guys who can run routes and not drop the football first.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Gotta have a QB that can get them the football....and Dak can barely throw 45 yards. He's damaged goods...can't throw off that bum ankle. The book is out on him.

How much energy does it take to be this ignorant?

 

[quickccc]

T williams, m Gallup, c lamb. All 4.51s. Or 4.52. Cooper was a 4.4. But they didn’t send him deep a lot. Tolbert runs4.49 he’s in the bench. Simi runs 4.4 he so on the bench. Turpin looks 4.3 ish. He doesn’t see the field in offense

uh oh .. here we go with the 40 times again.

- Davante Adams runs 4.56
- Cooper Kupp runs 4.62, ..
- DeAndre Hopkins runs 4.57
- Mike Williams 4.54
- Keenan Allen was a 4.71
- Dez Bryant was no 40 time speedster at 4.52

Did these aforementioned guys play faster than their 40 time ?

Does Simi Feheko " play" fast ?
Does his 4.37 str8-line workout speed translates to the playing field ?

 

[phildadon86]

Gotta have a QB that can get them the football....and Dak can barely throw 45 yards. He's damaged goods...can't throw off that bum ankle. The book is out on him.

You speaking about arm strength while talking up Kellen Moore years ago again takes any credibility away from you. If you had any left.

 

[phildadon86]

How much energy does it take to be this ignorant?

Dude dont bother. This is the same guy that actually believed Moore was going to outplay and bench Romo and become the starting QB for the Cowboys.

 

[jrumann59]

T williams, m Gallup, c lamb. All 4.51s. Or 4.52. Cooper was a 4.4. But they didn’t send him deep a lot. Tolbert runs4.49 he’s in the bench. Simi runs 4.4 he so on the bench. Turpin looks 4.3 ish. He doesn’t see the field in offense

Turpin should not be in that conversation he is a lot like Tavon Austin, he is bush among the trees unless he is all alone down the field he is not going to be seeing a long pass. He needs to be used in a Beasley type of role, slot routes within 10 yards of the LOS where he can use his open field abilities to make a play. Smurf WR for the most part are a thing of the past in Todays NFL. They have Roles but the days of a Santana Moss WR are gone.

 

[cnuball21]

uh oh .. here we go with the 40 times again.

- Davante Adams runs 4.56
- Cooper Kupp runs 4.62, ..
- DeAndre Hopkins runs 4.57
- Mike Williams 4.54
- Keenan Allen was a 4.71
- Dez Bryant was no 40 time speedster at 4.52

Did these aforementioned guys play faster than their 40 time ?

Does Simi Feheko " play" fast ?
Does his 4.37 str8-line workout speed translates to the playing field ?

There’s a place for a speedster to make an offense more dynamic but you’re spot on here.

Quickness, route running and hands is what make these dudes great. QBs also love big targets with big catch radius which is why most 1s are bigger dudes.

 

[kskboys]

Turpin should not be in that conversation he is a lot like Tavon Austin, he is bush among the trees unless he is all alone down the field he is not going to be seeing a long pass. He needs to be used in a Beasley type of role, slot routes within 10 yards of the LOS where he can use his open field abilities to make a play. Smurf WR for the most part are a thing of the past in Todays NFL. They have Roles but the days of a Santana Moss WR are gone.

Strictly an open field player. Turpin would get swallowed at the LOS when jammed. And they'd jam him a lot.

 

[kskboys]

You're actually dead wrong about this.. Go watch a world class 100 meter dash sometime and see how far apart the runners are even though their times are separated by mere hundredths of a second. A tenth of a second at top speed for these guys is more like 1-2 yards than a few inches as you characterize it. Take a look at this picture.



In it you see Usain Bolt winning the 100 meter dash at 9.81. Now look at the last place guy's time. It's 10.06. A difference of .25 seconds. Does that look like a few inches difference to you? It look more like 2-3 yards to me. Gatlin is .08 seconds behind and though he might be able to reach out and touch Bolt he is straining so hard he'd probably fall over if he did. The third place guy is exactly 0.1 seconds behand Bolt at 9.91. He is easily a yard behind. And mind you at this point all the guys are slowing down because their bodies have been in oxygen debt for the last 30-40 meters of the race. At top speed they were running faster and the difference between them for every tick of the clock was greater.

Well done.

I was shocked when I first saw someone claim that there's not a ton of difference between 4.3 and 4.5.

 

[quickccc]

4.3 guys don’t just grow on trees….and the ones that do show up aren’t very good. I’d love Tyreke Hill but there’s only one.

Remember WR Alexander Wright and his supposed 4.14 speed ?..
. A mere str8-line track guy with zero receiving skills and fluidity.

We get a ton of 'grow on trees' at the NFL combine and Pro Day , but how many of those amount to much when they get to the NFL ?
how many of those 40 time workout guys are also become legit " football players "

- Miami's Jaylen Waddle is a similar jet burner speed player as teammate Tyrek Hill.

- DK Metcalf is more bigger and also has track sprinter speed but whose gonna throw to him now ? Geno ?

 

[kskboys]

It's not that we don't value them, it's that we are terrible at player evaluations. That's what happens when your GM is not a football guy.

 

[RonnieT24]

Strictly an open field player. Turpin would get swallowed at the LOS when jammed. And they'd jam him a lot.

His quickness should allow him to beat the jam on safeties and lesser corners. Guys who can't match his quickness.. The ones who can will be able to neutralize him of course but there are plenty of corners in the league who can neither run with him nor stay in front of him long enough to jam him. If our OC truly wanted to use him he'd scheme up ways of getting Turpin isolated on those corners or a safety.. But that would require in depth analysis of each opposing player's capabilities instead of treating them all like chess pieces and that all it takes to win is your brilliant moves. We see every week that Moore does next to nothing to take advantage of matchup advantages we have.. So we should not be surprised that he doesn't see any use for Turpin..

 

[RonnieT24]

Well done.

I was shocked when I first saw someone claim that there's not a ton of difference between 4.3 and 4.5.

Yeah when I first read it I thought maybe he was joking.. You know.. sarcasm sometimes gets lost on the internet.

 

[kskboys]

Yeah when I first read it I thought maybe he was joking.. You know.. sarcasm sometimes gets lost on the internet.

That thought is simply from a non-sports fan type. No idea who anyone could think that, especially after watching Deebo or Tyreek run away from 4.5 and 4.4 running corners.

 

[RonnieT24]

Remember WR Alexander Wright and his supposed 4.14 speed ?..
. A mere str8-line track guy with zero receiving skills and fluidity.

We get a ton of 'grow on trees' at the NFL combine and Pro Day , but how many of those amount to much when they get to the NFL ?
how many of those 40 time workout guys are also become legit " football players "

- Miami's Jaylen Waddle is a similar jet burner speed player as teammate Tyrek Hill.

- DK Metcalf is more bigger and also has track sprinter speed but whose gonna throw to him now ? Geno ?

Actually isn't Seattle like top 2 or 3 in the league in scoring this year with Geno? Dude may have finally figured this whole NFL QB thing out. Some guys take longer than others but he's been playing pretty well this year. It's early but a 108 passer rating while completing 73% of his passes for 9 TDs and only 2 INTs aint nothin to sneeze at.

 

[Scottishcowboy]

You're actually dead wrong about this.. Go watch a world class 100 meter dash sometime and see how far apart the runners are even though their times are separated by mere hundredths of a second. A tenth of a second at top speed for these guys is more like 1-2 yards than a few inches as you characterize it. Take a look at this picture.



In it you see Usain Bolt winning the 100 meter dash at 9.81. Now look at the last place guy's time. It's 10.06. A difference of .25 seconds. Does that look like a few inches difference to you? It look more like 2-3 yards to me. Gatlin is .08 seconds behind and though he might be able to reach out and touch Bolt he is straining so hard he'd probably fall over if he did. The third place guy is exactly 0.1 seconds behand Bolt at 9.91. He is easily a yard behind. And mind you at this point all the guys are slowing down because their bodies have been in oxygen debt for the last 30-40 meters of the race. At top speed they were running faster and the difference between them for every tick of the clock was greater.

It's funny you post the athletics link Ronnie as that's what I was getting at too with my post earlier.

I work with kids at my local athletics club ad get involved in the time-keeping side of things at events. as you say, 0.2 of a second results in a pretty big gap for top class athletes running at speed.

 

[kskboys]

Actually isn't Seattle like top 2 or 3 in the league in scoring this year with Geno? Dude may have finally figured this whole NFL QB thing out. Some guys take longer than others but he's been playing pretty well this year. It's early but a 108 passer rating while completing 73% of his passes for 9 TDs and only 2 INTs aint nothin to sneeze at.

I always thought Geno could play, and a couple things derailed him. Expectations too high, and I didn't think he was a fit in the O. I think it was some sort of West Coast hybrid the Mornhinweg was running.

 

[Zman5]

Jerry Rice was a 4.57 guy.

 

[MarcusRock]

Interesting thing is the NFL top WR Cooper Kupp ran a 4.62 40. Playing WR is more than just speed

Absolutely. If you look at the whole route Beckham ran when he made "the catch," it was an excellent demonstration of all the jockeying and hand play that happens with the ball in the air. He didn't have the upper hand and then worked to gain advantage to put himself in position to even have a play on the ball. There's no catch without that swim move he did.