This team seems to hate WRs with 4.4 or better speed

[DuceizBak]

Ceedee Lamb's 40 speed is misleading.
He has good speed, burst, and acceleration. A lot of dudes run faster than their 40 time, he is one of them.


Also, Amari Cooper was actually a 4.3 guy, not a 4.4 guy. He actually ran faster than Kevin White and they came back and corrected it
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2zz1l4/teams_were_informed_that_amari_coopers_40yard/


Also Cooper Kupp isn't a 4.6 guy like he was coming out. After the ACL tear he relearned how to run and got faster. So he's 6'2 and runs a 4.5 which is great.


If you got a good route runner that's 6'0+ that runs a 4.5 he's plenty fast. Also on some people run faster on fields. Gallup ran a similar time to Lamb but Lamb is obviously faster. Zeke even in his rookie year doesn't look faster than Lamb does now.



With all that said I agree with OP about the others. Turpin/Tolbert/Simi should definitely see more playing time. Especially Simi. Dude is 6'4 and runs a 4.3-4.4

 

[EversonIWasAYoungBoy]

Dak likes to throw in the general vicinity of route runners.

FIFY

 

[ConstantReboot]

T williams, m Gallup, c lamb. All 4.51s. Or 4.52. Cooper was a 4.4. But they didn’t send him deep a lot. Tolbert runs4.49 he’s in the bench. Simi runs 4.4 he so on the bench. Turpin looks 4.3 ish. He doesn’t see the field in offense

It's dumb that they don't value speed in a position which speed is very important. This is why the offense is struggling.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Ceedee Lamb's 40 speed is misleading.
He has good speed, burst, and acceleration. A lot of dudes run faster than their 40 time, he is one of them.


Also, Amari Cooper was actually a 4.3 guy, not a 4.4 guy. He actually ran faster than Kevin White and they came back and corrected it
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2zz1l4/teams_were_informed_that_amari_coopers_40yard/


Also Cooper Kupp isn't a 4.6 guy like he was coming out. After the ACL tear he relearned how to run and got faster. So he's 6'2 and runs a 4.5 which is great.


If you got a good route runner that's 6'0+ that runs a 4.5 he's plenty fast. Also on some people run faster on fields. Gallup ran a similar time to Lamb but Lamb is obviously faster. Zeke even in his rookie year doesn't look faster than Lamb does now.



With all that said I agree with OP about the others. Turpin/Tolbert/Simi should definitely see more playing time. Especially Simi. Dude is 6'4 and runs a 4.3-4.4

Lamb is not a fast guy. But he has a lot of quickness and agility. He certainly is a 4.5 guy. If he was built stronger and could break tackles that would be great. I don't know why they picked Tolbert. Him, Lamb and Gallup are very similar players. All of them are 4.5 and around 200 lbs or less. We are missing Cooper because they feared his speed and his route running ability.

 

[ConstantReboot]

uh oh .. here we go with the 40 times again.

- Davante Adams runs 4.56
- Cooper Kupp runs 4.62, ..
- DeAndre Hopkins runs 4.57
- Mike Williams 4.54
- Keenan Allen was a 4.71
- Dez Bryant was no 40 time speedster at 4.52

Did these aforementioned guys play faster than their 40 time ?

Does Simi Feheko " play" fast ?
Does his 4.37 str8-line workout speed translates to the playing field ?

Cooper Kupp runs a 4.4. Or he plays much faster than what his times are. I heard he was injured in college which affected his combine speed.

 

[Ranched]

Lamb is quick on gaining more yardage after a catch. Thus, he has some drops because he takes his eyes off the ball looking to see where he's going to run after his catch

 

[RonnieT24]

Exactly why 40 times may not carry as much weight, no pun intended. I really think NFL players should run 40s in pads. A stronger receiver with 4.5 time, may have identical speed to the 4.4 guy with pads on we just don't know.

I've always been a proponent of this.. I also think they need to time them from a flying start.. because at no time will a player ever run 40 yards from a starting block stance. The timings should be position specific. RBs should be timed from the I-back stance, receivers from their standard 2 point stance, DBs should have to back peddle 5 yards then run, linemen from their 3 point stance and so on. And again, all in pads.. Time them simulating football, not the damn underwear Olympics.

 

[Doomsday101]

Kupp clearly plays faster than 4.62

Yes he does, he comes out of his breaks quickly, he has very good sudden burst of speed. In my view it not so much having great speed but knowing how to use burst and quickness in and out of breaks that allow many WR to have great success.

 

[RonnieT24]

Lamb is not a fast guy. But he has a lot of quickness and agility. He certainly is a 4.5 guy. If he was built stronger and could break tackles that would be great. I don't know why they picked Tolbert. Him, Lamb and Gallup are very similar players. All of them are 4.5 and around 200 lbs or less. We are missing Cooper because they feared his speed and his route running ability.

Did you really just say a guy who runs 4.5 is "not a fast guys?" Have you any idea just how fast 4.5 is? I'm not talking about hand timed by the coach or agent 4.5.. I'm talking true combine 4.5... That is a REALLY fast human being. No it's not world class speed.. but if you ever tried to chase one on a football field (I have) you realize that this person is absolutely MOVIN!!!

 

[RonnieT24]

Yes he does, he comes out of his breaks quickly, he has very good sudden burst of speed. In my view it not so much having great speed but knowing how to use burst and quickness in and out of breaks that allow many WR to have great success.

I think people tend to overrate the whole 40 time business in general. There are guys who are not great starters from a dead stop who can absolutely fly once they get to full stride. Jerry Rice was such a player.. Never much in the 40 but once he got up to stride he was as fast as anybody not named Deion. I think of guys like that at 200 or 400 meter runners in track and field. Not super explosive off the line but get them up the speed and it's on and poppin. How many times have we watched taller sprinters like Usain Bolt or Carl Lewis back in the day come out of the blocks dead last and then reel in the field and then be pulling away at the end of the race.. You'd think people who watch that sort of thing would understand that not all speed can be defined within a 40 yard distance. But.. they don't. Apparently.

 

[quickccc]

Cooper Kupp runs a 4.4. Or he plays much faster than what his times are. I heard he was injured in college which affected his combine speed.

https://theeasterner.org/39796/multimedia/video-ewu-pro-day-highlights/

Nope, Kupp is just Not a 4.4 - 40 time guy.

Whether NFL combine or Pro day

But it's no one's secret that he flat "plays' like a 4.4 guy
And that's so mute now in his NFL career.
His speed comes in on the playing field. - and he's been greatly helped by the Rams QBs, coaches, scheme he's had in support.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think people tend to overrate the whole 40 time business in general. There are guys who are not great starters from a dead stop who can absolutely fly once they get to full stride. Jerry Rice was such a player.. Never much in the 40 but once he got up to stride he was as fast as anybody not named Deion. I think of guys like that at 200 or 400 meter runners in track and field. Not super explosive off the line but get them up the speed and it's on and poppin. How many times have we watched taller sprinters like Usain Bolt or Carl Lewis back in the day come out of the blocks dead last and then reel in the field and then be pulling away at the end of the race.. You'd think people who watch that sort of thing would understand that not all speed can be defined within a 40 yard distance. But.. they don't. Apparently.

I agree I also think there is track speed and football speed as I said a WR is running routs he has to be able to make hard cuts and come out of the breaks quickly make the catch and accelerate. Track guys run straight line. I once heard a coach say give me a football player who can run track over a track guy trying to play football. I think speed is clearly an asset to WR but WR is more than speed. As you pointed out with Rice, Irvin the same way.

 

[noshame]

Turpin has the combination of speed and most importantly quickness, I'm telling you the guy would be deadly in the slot.
Yet we have KM and MM both supposed gurus and he sits.

 

[Pass2Run]

Did you really just say a guy who runs 4.5 is "not a fast guys?" Have you any idea just how fast 4.5 is? I'm not talking about hand timed by the coach or agent 4.5.. I'm talking true combine 4.5... That is a REALLY fast human being. No it's not world class speed.. but if you ever tried to chase one on a football field (I have) you realize that this person is absolutely MOVIN!!!

I ran a 4.5 at a 5A school, and I had the fastest 40 time in my entire class. So, yeah, it's fast. I would say blazing fast, but that'd be bragging. lol

 

[Doomsday101]

Turpin has the combination of speed and most importantly quickness, I'm telling you the guy would be deadly in the slot.
Yet we have KM and MM both supposed gurus and he sits.

He may be but he has little experience, I find it interesting that men who have done this for years do not know what is going on yet a message board poster does? How much of this offense does Turpin grasp? He has 3 catches in pre season for 20 yard, he made the team because of his talent on special teams. These coaches see him day in and day out they know what he can do and what he understand to this point. He has seen spot duty on offense 25 snaps to this point after 6 games

 

[quickccc]

Did you really just say a guy who runs 4.5 is "not a fast guys?" Have you any idea just how fast 4.5 is? I'm not talking about hand timed by the coach or agent 4.5.. I'm talking true combine 4.5... That is a REALLY fast human being. No it's not world class speed.. but if you ever tried to chase one on a football field (I have) you realize that this person is absolutely MOVIN!!!

Let's not fool ourselves ... the 4.3's....low .4.41.... 4.42 .with the WRs/DBS..gets scout & personnel immediate wow notice come draft time.
And the more they can be impressed and wowed ...

It means a lot to the scouts ..so it means a lot to the players - as workout numbers tend to jump-start draft stock. ... just as mediocre 40 times tend to cool and lower draft stock.

Pre-draft Workouts " always " have a tendency alter and influence the scouts to go more workout times than actual game tape, awards and achievements.
It's like the 40 times are the last make or break impressions at NFL draft time.

 

[RonnieT24]

I ran a 4.5 at a 5A school, and I had the fastest 40 time in my entire class. So, yeah, it's fast. I would say blazing fast, but that'd be bragging. lol

I was never any faster than 4.6 in high school.. I did get down to 4.4 in college but I didn't truly learn how to unlock my potential as a sprinter until much later in life.. I was like 26 or 27 and working out with some buddies hoping for a tryout with the USFL team that was being reported to be moving into my hometown (Orlando)... I got down to sub 4.3 (hand timed) during those workouts and lemme tellya.. It was really fun being that fast.. I had a high school teammate who was like a 4.3 type IN HIGH SCHOOL and that dude could burn. He ran 9.2 in the 100 yards and 10.2 in the 100 meters. When the coach told me I had run the 40 in that time I had a very real frame of reference for just how fast that was.. All I could think of was high school kids chasin that guy around the field and how ridiculous it looked at times. Then I wondered if I could somehow disguise myself and go back and play high school at that speed! Man that would have been fun!!! What I should have done is go enroll at UCF and play for them. I had 3 years of eligibility left!!!

Oh.. as you might guess.. I have no problem with a little bragging.

 

[Doomsday101]

Let's not fool ourselves ... the 4.3's....low .4.41.... 4.42 .with the WRs/DBS..gets scout & personnel immediate wow notice come draft time.
And the more they can be impressed and wowed ...

It means a lot to the scouts ..so it means a lot to the players - as workout numbers tend to jump-start draft stock. ... just as mediocre 40 times tend to cool and lower draft stock.

Pre-draft Workouts " always " have a tendency alter and influence the scouts to go more workout times than actual game tape, awards and achievements.
It's like the 40 times are the last make or break impressions at NFL draft time.

NFL Combine: 40-yard dash
The most recognizable activity at the Combine each year, the marquee event is meant to show players' top-end speed. Starting from a stationary position, players' 40 times give an indication of their speed from a stand-still.

While many are critical of the 40’s value in evaluation, it does matter. It’s easily replicable and comparable across all athletes, thereby giving a uniform measure to evaluate speed. For offensive and defensive linemen, merely looking the part of an NFL athlete can have more value than the actual time, and running under a 5.3 as a lineman serves as a strong benchmark in evaluations.

More important, the timed 10-yard and 20-yard splits can be more indicative of NFL success. The 10-yard splits can indicate a receiver’s initial burst off the line (often the most important skill for a receiver’s translation to the pro game), a running back's initial speed at the hand-off point, a pass-rusher’s first-step quickness and explosiveness and a defensive back’s turn-and-run burst to stay tight, balanced and controlled against vertical threats.

NFL Combine drills: How each works, why each matters | Sporting News

 

[MonsterD]

Elijah Moore wants a trade out of the Jets. Interesting but will not happen with the Cowboys.

 

[RonnieT24]

NFL Combine: 40-yard dash
The most recognizable activity at the Combine each year, the marquee event is meant to show players' top-end speed. Starting from a stationary position, players' 40 times give an indication of their speed from a stand-still.
[ snip ]
NFL Combine drills: How each works, why each matters | Sporting News

This is perhaps my biggest problem with the 40 yard dash. Almost no human being gets to top speed within 40 yards.. Not saying there aren't any.. there just aren't many. The reality is that it takes even the world's best sprinters 60-70 yards to reach top speed. The 40 yard dash is cute and fun.. but those damn times in shorts have led to more teams picking the wrong guy than you can count. I honestly can't for the life of me figure out why THEY can't figure out that football isn't played in shorts nor do guys run 40 yards from a 3 point stance in football.. ever..