This was a Jerry, not McClay, draft

[NorthwestDallas40]

Just proves my point...Jerry wanted him more than anything. Did we draft him? If we had you would have a point. Jerry wanted Manzeil it was very obvious but the organization still
passed. Shows he does listen to others around him more might think. Kind of like what most successful businessman do.

But he has the last word. And that's my point: this year, looks like he did not listen (waiting to pick Smith later in 2nd round, like was the plan).

 

[Nightman]

Just proves my point...Jerry wanted him more than anything. Did we draft him? If we had you would have a point. Jerry wanted Manzeil it was very obvious but the organization still
passed. Shows he does listen to others around him more might think. Kind of like what most successful businessman do.

JJones can be right and he can be wrong.

I think he got EE right and I am glad he missed on Lynch in favor of JSmith and Collins.

Jerry obviously wanted to fix the QB position and the RB position this year.

He got the RB right and will have to wait to fix the QB unless Dak turns into Russell Wilson.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So when Ed Werder said he had a source that the Cowboys were taking Ramsey ....... it was true? Did they get sued for libel when we took Zeke??

Reductio ad absurdum and begging the question. Nuance is difficult for you.

I reject your question's premise.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I would have taken Ramsey. I balked at EE at 4 and Bosa is a solid guy maybe better. Never got warm and fuzzy over him though.

Ramsey wasn't going to contribute this year though. I mean he would've been out there on the field getting experience but he wasn't going to have a major impact on this team. Not this year. Not at that position plays.

 

[Garret]

I respect your opinion but disagree.

 

[Garret]

JJones can be right and he can be wrong.

I think he got EE right and I am glad he missed on Lynch in favor of JSmith and Collins.

Jerry obviously wanted to fix the QB position and the RB position this year.

He got the RB right and will have to wait to fix the QB unless Dak turns into Russell Wilson.

I completely agree..we've seen both before just don't think there is enough evidence to make claim that Jerry overruled anyone in this draft.

 

[darthseinfeld]

If you like a guy you don't trade down from him. That's moronic. MAYBE they could've got him in a trade down but then you risk someone trading with Baltimore to get Elliot. It wasn't worth whatever late round pick you would've got.

Beem said ad nauseum throughout draft season. At those high picks, you want a player. You take a player or you risk messing up your whole draft. Its not like picking at 27 where the spectrum is so wide you afford yourself more flexibility

Also, we outpointed Denver per TVC. What they had that we didnt was a 5th year option to offer. It probably would have took a 2017 first to make that trade happen. But that's just a guess on my part. Either way we would have had to significantly out point Denver in the TVC to make the trade happen. We were a victim of circumstance, and even though I REALLY wanted Lynch, the price would have been too high considering the disadvantage we were at in bidding

 

[jobberone]

Ramsey wasn't going to contribute this year though. I mean he would've been out there on the field getting experience but he wasn't going to have a major impact on this team. Not this year. Not at that position plays.

IDK why you'd say that. His pass defense should be good this year although IDK about takeaways.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

IDK why you'd say that. His pass defense should be good this year although IDK about takeaways.

How much better was a rookie cornerback going to be than Carr, Scandrick or Claiborne? And that's if you had him at corner. Most seem to believe he will be a free safety at some point and at that point do you take a free safety with the 4th pick? Then what do you do with Byron Jones?

 

[zrinkill]

Reductio ad absurdum and begging the question. Nuance is difficult for you.

I reject your question's premise.

Thought so

 

[jobberone]

How much better was a rookie cornerback going to be than Carr, Scandrick or Claiborne? And that's if you had him at corner. Most seem to believe he will be a free safety at some point and at that point do you take a free safety with the 4th pick? Then what do you do with Byron Jones?

Carr and OScan on the corner and Jones and Ramsey at S. Since we run the nickel more than 50% of the time you have Carr and Jones on the outside, OScan in the slot, and Ramsey and Church on the back end. Chances are Ramsey gets worked into the rotation and you have other DBs to plug in at times as well esp due to injuries..

 

[Irvin88_4life]

You know it's funny, before the draft everybody was saying. ...I don't have a problem with taking our guy without trading down if that player is the guy we want.

Now everybody is complaining we didn't trade down and get the players yall wanted.

I wanted Lynch, we didn't get him but I'm happy with Dak with our comp 4.

The only trade I wanted was taking Ogbah then trading up for Smith but even so Collins and Tapper are great picks and I feel are better picks. 2 DL is better then 1 maybe DL.

Let's see these guys play before complaining

 

[jjktkk]

IDK why you'd say that. His pass defense should be good this year although IDK about takeaways.

This was the one reason I didn't want Ramsey at 4. Picking a player that high who doesn't get takeaways, for a team that desperately needs more takeaways from their secondary was risky to me.

 

[jobberone]

This was the one reason I didn't want Ramsey at 4. Picking a player that high who doesn't get takeaways, for a team that desperately needs more takeaways from their secondary was risky to me.

And it may have been a deciding factor among whispers all was not as it seemed that put Dallas off. I wrote before that EE was a superior player. You can't be unhappy with that pick even if one would have gone another way.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

We had the 4th pick in the first two rounds, and I do not feel like we maximized the value at those picks. I attribute this to Jerry's influence, which seemed to be more prevalent this year than in the last few drafts.

1. In the first round, there was a trade back to be had with Baltimore. We didn't because Jerry did not want to risk losing EE. Even though Baltimore was not taking him. That extra pick from Baltimore could have been key in landing Lynch or Cook, whom we wanted over Dak. Jerry did not maximize the value of the 4th pick. Many will say that the only way to guarantee EE was to pick him at 4 (Baltimore could have been lying all along). That's fine. But it's also fixating on one player to the exclusion of value. But Jerry (and coaches) had to have EE. I like the player, I just don't like the process of getting him.

2. In the late first round, Jerry offered our 2nd and 3rd round picks to Seattle to trade for Lynch. Seattle traded to Denver instead. Jerry couldn't sleep because he thought he should have given more to guarantee he got him. Which affected how he looked at the next pick...

3. The second round was a panic pick. We know this because the original plan was to take Ogbah or Dodd and then trade back up into the 2nd round to take Jaylon Smith. Which means we originally valued Smith at the middle or bottom of the round. When Ogbah and Dodd were taken, we apparently had a deal with Chicago to trade back. But Jerry admitted he did pull the trigger because, again, he feared losing Smith. This was an impulse pick because of where we originally valued Smith and because Jerry couldn't sleep the night before after not giving up a little more to get Lynch. So, instead of sticking to the original valuation, he panicked and took Smith at 34. I'm not debating whether picking a "redshirt" player in the final years of "Romo's window" was the right or wrong move. I'm just saying we did not stick to our original valuation... because of Jerry.

Overall, I do not mind the picks (especially those we took in the later rounds), but this is not the draft I expected with the 4th overall pick. I am not whining, I just thought we'd be in a different place today after sitting out most of free agency.

The Draft fell perfectly, Tapper is a better fit in the 4/3 RE than Dodd or Ogbah.


Dallas landed the two biggest impact players in College Football in Jaylon Smith and Ezekiel Elliot. Some national writers are outwardly and obviously jealous, the best advice is simply don't listen to the negative rhetoric about Zeke and Jaylon becoming Cowboys.

Meanwhile hopefully the rest of the League keeps on believing that 2016 was a Jerrys' Draft like you do, so we can hang onto McClay a lot longer.

 

[Hoofbite]

Here we go with these nameless sources again and no links to them.

Sorry, it's awfully hard to link to the 3 hour 1st round draft broadcast that took place last Thursday night. Both NFLN and ESPN had reporters saying that Ramsey was the highest player on the board, coaches and scouts wanted Ramsey, but Jerry was in love with Elliot.

If you find some place that has the entire first round online, or the entire time Dallas is on the clock, you should check it out.

Best I can do without having access to the video would be from this article.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000656948/article/dallas-cowboys-select-ezekiel-elliott-no-4

Minutes before the selection, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported that Florida State cornerback Jalen Ramsey was the highest remaining player on the Cowboys' board. But Jerry Jones was said to be a huge fan of Elliott's potential in Big D. Jacksonville Jaguars one pick later.

 

[lostar2009]

We had the 4th pick in the first two rounds, and I do not feel like we maximized the value at those picks. I attribute this to Jerry's influence, which seemed to be more prevalent this year than in the last few drafts.

1. In the first round, there was a trade back to be had with Baltimore. We didn't because Jerry did not want to risk losing EE. Even though Baltimore was not taking him. That extra pick from Baltimore could have been key in landing Lynch or Cook, whom we wanted over Dak. Jerry did not maximize the value of the 4th pick. Many will say that the only way to guarantee EE was to pick him at 4 (Baltimore could have been lying all along). That's fine. But it's also fixating on one player to the exclusion of value. But Jerry (and coaches) had to have EE. I like the player, I just don't like the process of getting him.

2. In the late first round, Jerry offered our 2nd and 3rd round picks to Seattle to trade for Lynch. Seattle traded to Denver instead. Jerry couldn't sleep because he thought he should have given more to guarantee he got him. Which affected how he looked at the next pick...

3. The second round was a panic pick. We know this because the original plan was to take Ogbah or Dodd and then trade back up into the 2nd round to take Jaylon Smith. Which means we originally valued Smith at the middle or bottom of the round. When Ogbah and Dodd were taken, we apparently had a deal with Chicago to trade back. But Jerry admitted he did pull the trigger because, again, he feared losing Smith. This was an impulse pick because of where we originally valued Smith and because Jerry couldn't sleep the night before after not giving up a little more to get Lynch. So, instead of sticking to the original valuation, he panicked and took Smith at 34. I'm not debating whether picking a "redshirt" player in the final years of "Romo's window" was the right or wrong move. I'm just saying we did not stick to our original valuation... because of Jerry.

Overall, I do not mind the picks (especially those we took in the later rounds), but this is not the draft I expected with the 4th overall pick. I am not whining, I just thought we'd be in a different place today after sitting out most of free agency.

I heard Seattle wanted a future pick .

 

[Wood]

We had the 4th pick in the first two rounds, and I do not feel like we maximized the value at those picks. I attribute this to Jerry's influence, which seemed to be more prevalent this year than in the last few drafts.

1. In the first round, there was a trade back to be had with Baltimore. We didn't because Jerry did not want to risk losing EE. Even though Baltimore was not taking him. That extra pick from Baltimore could have been key in landing Lynch or Cook, whom we wanted over Dak. Jerry did not maximize the value of the 4th pick. Many will say that the only way to guarantee EE was to pick him at 4 (Baltimore could have been lying all along). That's fine. But it's also fixating on one player to the exclusion of value. But Jerry (and coaches) had to have EE. I like the player, I just don't like the process of getting him.

2. In the late first round, Jerry offered our 2nd and 3rd round picks to Seattle to trade for Lynch. Seattle traded to Denver instead. Jerry couldn't sleep because he thought he should have given more to guarantee he got him. Which affected how he looked at the next pick...

3. The second round was a panic pick. We know this because the original plan was to take Ogbah or Dodd and then trade back up into the 2nd round to take Jaylon Smith. Which means we originally valued Smith at the middle or bottom of the round. When Ogbah and Dodd were taken, we apparently had a deal with Chicago to trade back. But Jerry admitted he did pull the trigger because, again, he feared losing Smith. This was an impulse pick because of where we originally valued Smith and because Jerry couldn't sleep the night before after not giving up a little more to get Lynch. So, instead of sticking to the original valuation, he panicked and took Smith at 34. I'm not debating whether picking a "redshirt" player in the final years of "Romo's window" was the right or wrong move. I'm just saying we did not stick to our original valuation... because of Jerry.

Overall, I do not mind the picks (especially those we took in the later rounds), but this is not the draft I expected with the 4th overall pick. I am not whining, I just thought we'd be in a different place today after sitting out most of free agency.

are we to the point that if you agree with selection it was McClay pick but if you disagree with pick it had to be Jerry making selection?

 

[big dog cowboy]

we did very little in free agency or the draft (other than EE) to improve this team.

Better revisit the transactions page.

 

[rpntex]

We had the 4th pick in the first two rounds, and I do not feel like we maximized the value at those picks. I attribute this to Jerry's influence, which seemed to be more prevalent this year than in the last few drafts.

1. In the first round, there was a trade back to be had with Baltimore. We didn't because Jerry did not want to risk losing EE. Even though Baltimore was not taking him. That extra pick from Baltimore could have been key in landing Lynch or Cook, whom we wanted over Dak. Jerry did not maximize the value of the 4th pick. Many will say that the only way to guarantee EE was to pick him at 4 (Baltimore could have been lying all along). That's fine. But it's also fixating on one player to the exclusion of value. But Jerry (and coaches) had to have EE. I like the player, I just don't like the process of getting him.

2. In the late first round, Jerry offered our 2nd and 3rd round picks to Seattle to trade for Lynch. Seattle traded to Denver instead. Jerry couldn't sleep because he thought he should have given more to guarantee he got him. Which affected how he looked at the next pick...

3. The second round was a panic pick. We know this because the original plan was to take Ogbah or Dodd and then trade back up into the 2nd round to take Jaylon Smith. Which means we originally valued Smith at the middle or bottom of the round. When Ogbah and Dodd were taken, we apparently had a deal with Chicago to trade back. But Jerry admitted he did pull the trigger because, again, he feared losing Smith. This was an impulse pick because of where we originally valued Smith and because Jerry couldn't sleep the night before after not giving up a little more to get Lynch. So, instead of sticking to the original valuation, he panicked and took Smith at 34. I'm not debating whether picking a "redshirt" player in the final years of "Romo's window" was the right or wrong move. I'm just saying we did not stick to our original valuation... because of Jerry.

Overall, I do not mind the picks (especially those we took in the later rounds), but this is not the draft I expected with the 4th overall pick. I am not whining, I just thought we'd be in a different place today after sitting out most of free agency.

I can't remember where I heard it - I think it was from Nick Eatmon on the Saturday edition of the break - but supposedly, Baltimore was targeting. Double somehow found out who they were going to take, and when they did, they nixed the trade. If that is indeed true, then Jacksonville would've taken Ramsey, and after Baltimore took Elliot, the Cowboys would have sat there with their top two players on their board taken before they had a chance to pick.

That's not only good value for the pick, it was a wise move to avoid flushing both of their top two players.

As for Lynch, that wasn't happening. Dallas wasn't going to take him at 4, and Seattle was not accepting anything less than a first rounder flaky get the fifth year option in a trade. Dallas had no first rounder once they use the fourth pick.