This was a Jerry, not McClay, draft

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If there was a Von Miller there at pick #4 I would've been down with that. If there was a Luke Kuechly there I would've been down with that. If there was a Demarcus Ware. If there was a Khalil Mack. Fact is, there wasn't. There was a hybrid player in Ramsey that was there after we were just a year removed from drafting a hybrid player in Byron Jones.

I preferred Elliot based on what was there.

I am not a fan of taking a RB at 4 but I degree Ramsey was a bigger risk since he has no real position, few ints
I wouldn't have went RB at 4 myself, I would have traded down and went dline. But I see the thinking of EE at 4 and of all the options available he was the safest
 

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What a doofus ......... talking about politics is not allowed on this forum.

Go cry to a mod then. You'll still have an asinine position that is easy to demonstrate as being wrong.

Fact is unnamed sources from AP publications are vetted.
 

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Go cry to a mod then. You'll still have an asinine position that is easy to demonstrate as being wrong.

Fact is unnamed sources from AP publications are vetted.

Then give me the link to the original source or stop crying.
 

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The 4th overall pick was great.

The others...just consider this a wasted draft.
 

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We had the 4th pick in the first two rounds, and I do not feel like we maximized the value at those picks. I attribute this to Jerry's influence, which seemed to be more prevalent this year than in the last few drafts.

1. In the first round, there was a trade back to be had with Baltimore. We didn't because Jerry did not want to risk losing EE. Even though Baltimore was not taking him. That extra pick from Baltimore could have been key in landing Lynch or Cook, whom we wanted over Dak. Jerry did not maximize the value of the 4th pick. Many will say that the only way to guarantee EE was to pick him at 4 (Baltimore could have been lying all along). That's fine. But it's also fixating on one player to the exclusion of value. But Jerry (and coaches) had to have EE. I like the player, I just don't like the process of getting him.

2. In the late first round, Jerry offered our 2nd and 3rd round picks to Seattle to trade for Lynch. Seattle traded to Denver instead. Jerry couldn't sleep because he thought he should have given more to guarantee he got him. Which affected how he looked at the next pick...

3. The second round was a panic pick. We know this because the original plan was to take Ogbah or Dodd and then trade back up into the 2nd round to take Jaylon Smith. Which means we originally valued Smith at the middle or bottom of the round. When Ogbah and Dodd were taken, we apparently had a deal with Chicago to trade back. But Jerry admitted he did pull the trigger because, again, he feared losing Smith. This was an impulse pick because of where we originally valued Smith and because Jerry couldn't sleep the night before after not giving up a little more to get Lynch. So, instead of sticking to the original valuation, he panicked and took Smith at 34. I'm not debating whether picking a "redshirt" player in the final years of "Romo's window" was the right or wrong move. I'm just saying we did not stick to our original valuation... because of Jerry.

Overall, I do not mind the picks (especially those we took in the later rounds), but this is not the draft I expected with the 4th overall pick. I am not whining, I just thought we'd be in a different place today after sitting out most of free agency.

Absolutely agree.

The longer you have been a Cowboy fan the easier it is to separate decisions between Jerry Jones and the people with actual respectable credentials and management positions earned by the reaults they produce.

The decisions made in this year's draft reek of Jerry Jones and an obvious lack of finesse, security, and respect for maximizing the value of their drafting position. They consistantly reached and , in doing so, eroded the opportunity and and potential afforded them by a 4-12.

Teams that do this typically repeat their draft position in subsequent years.

"Jerry" moves are not diffucult to detect. Just look for decisions that defy logical reasoning among a concensus of NFL experts and seem emotional in nature as opposed to an unbiased assesment.

If the decision contradicts their stated philosophy in 2011 of "finding the right kind if players" and "maximizing value" then you can bet it was Jerry.

If their reasoning and their account of what happened cannot be verified by any other source including those they dealt with...Jerry.

A few years ago we were assured that Jerry Jones's destructive personnel decisions were being restrained by a committee that included Stephen Jones and Jason Garrett. However, Jerry's real status was dormant. The Cowboys were struggling and Jerry's previous history indicates that he does intrude into the team aspect until there is potential credit to claim.

Sure enough, the Cowboys get their first winning season since 2009 and the old Jerry reappears. We get DeMarco walking, Randle hailed as a replacement with some better attributes, Dez gets pampered, a domestic abuser gets another chance to show he isnt worth it, a sliding 1st rounder that takes less than a year to justify his slide, and a panic stricken rotation of backup quarterbacks.

We are back to the days were potential is given the same value as realizaton and possibility is equal to reality.

Jaylon Smith COULD be a great player....or no player at all depending on conditions associated with his ability to heal. So how do we celebrate a choice with a measurable possibility of zero benefit?


We get the 4th overall position in the draft. Due to the QB's being overvalued, there is the possibility of getting the top player in the draft, one of the 1 to 3 annual blue chippers that define their position for a decade. Or, we can trade the righs to draft him for the value he is worth.

Instead, we effectively trade down for free.

We draft a quarterback whose actions only a few months earlier is one of the most blatant red lights in the process. The Cowboys have dealt with issues related to drunk driving before but character issues have always been non issues when it is a "Jerry Decision".
 

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Overall, I do not mind the picks (especially those we took in the later rounds), but this is not the draft I expected with the 4th overall pick. I am not whining, I just thought we'd be in a different place today after sitting out most of free agency.

You might not be whining but you are not happy. Your displeasure is in the simple fact the Cowboys did what they wanted and not what you wanted.

The team let it be known what FA would be like. Did you think they were lying?

The team clearly drafted their board at 4 and 34. Isn't that we have been screaming for them to do?
 

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So you can't ........ Unnamed source

Not reliable

Can't? You have trouble keeping up. I would recommend you going back and reviewing the conversation and finding out who you were being incredulous to initially and try them. I don't care.

Again unnamed sources from AP publications are vetted. You are simply ignorant to the process. As I have already demonstrated Watergate was broken using an unnamed source. I do care about epistemology.
 

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You might not be whining but you are not happy. Your displeasure is in the simple fact the Cowboys did what they wanted and not what you wanted.

The team let it be known what FA would be like. Did you think they were lying?

The team clearly drafted their board at 4 and 34. Isn't that we have been screaming for them to do?

Just because they told us what they were going to do does not mean what they did was right. Whether I like it or not, two things cannot be disputed: (1) Romo has just a few years left; and (2) we did very little in free agency or the draft (other than EE) to improve this team. I don't believe for a minute that Smith was 34th on their board; in fact, they told us point blank that he was not: they told us that their initial plan was to trade back into the middle/end of the 2nd round to draft Smith. That was what their board was. Until Jerry panicked and drafted him at 34. Those are the facts.
 

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We had the 4th pick in the first two rounds, and I do not feel like we maximized the value at those picks. I attribute this to Jerry's influence, which seemed to be more prevalent this year than in the last few drafts.

1. In the first round, there was a trade back to be had with Baltimore. We didn't because Jerry did not want to risk losing EE. Even though Baltimore was not taking him. That extra pick from Baltimore could have been key in landing Lynch or Cook, whom we wanted over Dak. Jerry did not maximize the value of the 4th pick. Many will say that the only way to guarantee EE was to pick him at 4 (Baltimore could have been lying all along). That's fine. But it's also fixating on one player to the exclusion of value. But Jerry (and coaches) had to have EE. I like the player, I just don't like the process of getting him.

2. In the late first round, Jerry offered our 2nd and 3rd round picks to Seattle to trade for Lynch. Seattle traded to Denver instead. Jerry couldn't sleep because he thought he should have given more to guarantee he got him. Which affected how he looked at the next pick...

3. The second round was a panic pick. We know this because the original plan was to take Ogbah or Dodd and then trade back up into the 2nd round to take Jaylon Smith. Which means we originally valued Smith at the middle or bottom of the round. When Ogbah and Dodd were taken, we apparently had a deal with Chicago to trade back. But Jerry admitted he did pull the trigger because, again, he feared losing Smith. This was an impulse pick because of where we originally valued Smith and because Jerry couldn't sleep the night before after not giving up a little more to get Lynch. So, instead of sticking to the original valuation, he panicked and took Smith at 34. I'm not debating whether picking a "redshirt" player in the final years of "Romo's window" was the right or wrong move. I'm just saying we did not stick to our original valuation... because of Jerry.

Overall, I do not mind the picks (especially those we took in the later rounds), but this is not the draft I expected with the 4th overall pick. I am not whining, I just thought we'd be in a different place today after sitting out most of free agency.

Nah buddy, you got it all wrong. I was there and just behind the war-room corks were popping without permission. By the truck-loads.
This was a Corso Party and a Corso Party don't stop. I don't remember where I even woke, much less where I passed out.

I know I may have set back our team a few years with what was going on in the war-room, but I just got my lease on life back, brother.
I had souls to suck for my sustenance! And you guys make easy marks...

Sorry bro. I should have gone after the Rocket's fans, but I stayed with the familiar when the stuff got thick.

My badness...
 

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We had the 4th pick in the first two rounds, and I do not feel like we maximized the value at those picks. I attribute this to Jerry's influence, which seemed to be more prevalent this year than in the last few drafts.

1. In the first round, there was a trade back to be had with Baltimore. We didn't because Jerry did not want to risk losing EE. Even though Baltimore was not taking him. That extra pick from Baltimore could have been key in landing Lynch or Cook, whom we wanted over Dak. Jerry did not maximize the value of the 4th pick. Many will say that the only way to guarantee EE was to pick him at 4 (Baltimore could have been lying all along). That's fine. But it's also fixating on one player to the exclusion of value. But Jerry (and coaches) had to have EE. I like the player, I just don't like the process of getting him.

2. In the late first round, Jerry offered our 2nd and 3rd round picks to Seattle to trade for Lynch. Seattle to Denver instead. Jerry couldn't sleep because he thought he should have given more to guarantee he got him. Which affected how he looked at the next pick...

3. The second round was a panic pick. We know this because the original plan was to take Ogbah or Dodd and then trade back up into the 2nd round to take Jaylon Smith. Which means we originally valued Smith at the middle or bottom of the round. When Ogbah and Dodd were taken, we apparently had a deal with Chicago to trade back. But Jerry admitted he did pull the trigger because, again, he feared losing Smith. This was an impulse pick because of where we originally valued Smith and because Jerry couldn't sleep the night before after not giving up a little more to get Lynch. So, instead of sticking to the original valuation, he panicked and took Smith at 34. I'm not debating whether picking a "redshirt" player in the final years of "Romo's window" was the right or wrong move. I'm just saying we did not stick to our original valuation... because of Jerry.

Overall, I do not mind the picks (especially those we took in the later rounds), but this is not the draft I expected with the 4th overall pick. I am not whining, I just thought we'd be in a different place today after sitting out most of free agency.


haha you're hate for Jerry is obvious just make sure you give Jerry the credit when any of these picks have success.
 

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Can't? You have trouble keeping up. I would recommend you going back and reviewing the conversation and finding out who you were being incredulous to initially and try them. I don't care.

Again unnamed sources from AP publications are vetted. You are simply ignorant to the process. As I have already demonstrated Watergate was broken using an unnamed source. I do care about epistemology.

So when Ed Werder said he had a source that the Cowboys were taking Ramsey ....... it was true? Did they get sued for libel when we took Zeke??
 
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haha you're hate for Jerry is obvious just make sure you give Jerry the credit when any of these picks have success.

Like Manziel? He has to be saved from himself. Unfortunately, Stephen and McClay did not do it this year, especially in round 2. Simply, he has very little talent as a talent-evaluator. Best businessman in the NFL, though, I'll give him credit for that.
 

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Like Manziel? He has to be saved from himself. Unfortunately, Stephen and McClay did not do it this year, especially in round 2. Simply, he has very little talent as a talent-evaluator. Best businessman in the NFL, though, I'll give him credit for that.

Just proves my point...Jerry wanted him more than anything. Did we draft him? If we had you would have a point. Jerry wanted Manzeil it was very obvious but the organization still
passed. Shows he does listen to others around him more might think. Kind of like what most successful businessman do.
 
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