This will be jerra's draft

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i wish you guys would shut the **** up

a cookie for you too then.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScipioCowboy
Of course, as modern people, we can easily admonish our ancient ancestors for missing certain key bits of scientific evidence. However, we should also understand that there's a rather large difference between looking and knowing where to look.




A slight inclination of the cranium is as adequate as a spasmodic movement of one optic towards an equine quadruped utterly devoid of any visionary context...

and of this quote up there what word was it that you are stating is pedantic? Admonish, scientific, ancestor, understand? the more i think about it the sadder it gets.

 

[Bleu Star]

i wish you guys would shut the **** up

can I have a cookie too... ?

 

[Bleu Star]

i wish you guys would shut the **** up

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

can I have a cookie too... ?

sure cookies for everyone.

 

[Bleu Star]

sure cookies for everyone.

and such wonderful succulent cookies too... thanks.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I believe Jeff Ireland will be the main focus in our draft room this year

 

[ScipioCowboy]

And the vast majority of the churches teachings were based on Aristotle via Thomas Aquinas.

And this is a point I thought you may have missed earlier when you stated that geocentrism was a "purely religious phenomenon." Clearly, it isn't.

Geocentrism was popularized by Greek philosophers and embraced by the scientific community for centuries...well before the Catholic Church and Christianity ever existed. And although we may be tempted to dismiss Brahe as a "hack and a number taker," we should also remember that his measurements were the most accurate of his day. He also conducted many redundant observations, which were integral components in the heliocentric models developed by Kepler and Copernicus. In fact, given the limited means at Brahe's disposal, the raw amount of data he collected was astounding.

It was either the pythagoreans or Democritus that looked at the shadow of the moon and the lunar eclipse and deduced the earth to be a sphere and came up with an accurate circumfurence. This was before Aristotle by a century or more.

This information was available but Aristotle rejects empiricism.

I could go on and on about Aristotle. His need to categorize EVERYTHING and discount anything that did not fit in his mold of what was acceptable basically makes him interesting but thats about it. Deduction was his gig but he was a slave to his syllogisms and refused to accept empirical evdence that went contrary to his deductions.

There has and always will be competing theories in science and rational thought. Acceptance within the scientific community at large determines primarily which theory becomes accepted and which is cast aside. This principle is true even today. One of my college astronomy teachers said that most phenomena have several valid scientific explanations; however, most of the population is only privy to one or two of these explanations. The others are excluded. You should read "Rhetoric in Science" by Alan Gross. It's a fascinating case study.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

i wish you guys would shut the **** up

I apologize. This discussion is probably best-suited for another forum.

 

[Seven]

Hardly. It was Aristotle who devised the three basic tenants of geocentrism:

1) No sense of motion.

2) No great wind.

3) No stellar parallax.

The first two are rooted in understandings of the universe that are completely fallacious yet perfectly valid given ancient man's limited ability to observe the cosmos. The third is simply wrong; however, due to the immense distances between stars, the phenomenon of stellar parallax is almost unobservable with the naked eye.

Although geocentrism was a commonly held belief in Ancient Greece well before the time of Aristotle, he is the person most credited for establishing it as the dominant planetary motion model within academia for centuries.

Much later, Geocentrism was embraced by the Catholic Church as well as certain renown astronomers, such as Tycho De Brahe.

Of course, as modern people, we can easily admonish our ancient ancestors for missing certain key bits of scientific evidence. However, we should also understand that there's a rather large difference between looking and knowing where to look.

Leotis! Leotis Brown! Get in here and make this civil, would ya?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And this is a point I thought you may have missed earlier when you stated that geocentrism was a "purely religious phenomenon." Clearly, it isn't.

Geocentrism was popularized by Greek philosophers and embraced by the scientific community for centuries...well before the Catholic Church and Christianity ever existed. And although we may be tempted to dismiss Brahe as a "hack and a number taker," we should also remember that his measurements were the most accurate of his day. He also conducted many redundant observations, which were integral components in the heliocentric models developed by Kepler and Copernicus. In fact, given the limited means at Brahe's disposal, the raw amount of data he collected was astounding.



There has and always will be competing theories in science and rational thought. Acceptance within the scientific community at large determines primarily which theory becomes accepted and which is cast aside. This principle is true even today. One of my college astronomy teachers said that most phenomena have several valid scientific explanations; however, most of the population is only privy to one or two of these explanations. The others are excluded. You should read "Rhetoric in Science" by Alan Gross. It's a fascinating case study.

Geocentrism was pimped by Aristotle however the pythagoreans and heraclitus a century before had demonstrated that the earth was round. This and euclidean geometry were the staples of greek thought in the aristocracy and as elitist as it sounds the plebs were uneducated, indentured serfs. Just because Aristotle is popular now does not mean that he was popluar then. Alexander was a macedonian and he didnt even like him.


The Romans via Cicero were very into Plato and Plato could give a frick about the sensible world as he was all about his doctrine of the good and universal supersensible world.

Aristotle and his views came at the end of classic greek civilization and as he was prone to do in many of his maxims, he would argue with conventional thought. Thats why he would constantly hammering the sophists because they were the establishment at that time.

The Romans led into the Roman church and they initially ignored Plat until Aquinas in the first parts of the last millenium.

Copernicus came before Brahe and I am not saying the work in taking notes that Brahe did was not valuable but what he did in interpretation was nothing as compared to the pure genius of Kepler. He invented the math as he went and invariably led to Newton.

Regardless I have to argue very strongly against the greeks stating that the world was flat overall.

 

[silverbear]

He would have express mailed it to you, but there was no Federal Express way back then.

There wasn't even any Pony Express way back then...

Heck, even carrier pigeons hadn't been invented yet...

 

[big dog cowboy]

He invented the math as he went and invariably led to Newton.

So he is to blame.

 

[silverbear]

arguing for the sake of arguing.

40 catches 750ish yards 18.5 YPC. yeah he has no talent and is destined to mcdonalds.

Naw, he'd throw his apron in the face of the shift supervisor... I hear that's a no-no at Mickey D's...

 

[Hostile]

I apologize. This discussion is probably best-suited for another forum.

I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Only on the Zone can you mix schtick, philosophy and football as it relates to a Jerry Jones draft.

Good job, guys..

 

[iceberg]

ditto - been a fun read. : )

 

[bbgun]

Geocentrism was popularized by Greek philosophers and embraced by the scientific community for centuries...well before the Catholic Church and Christianity ever existed. And although we may be tempted to dismiss Brahe as a "hack and a number taker," we should also remember that his measurements were the most accurate of his day. He also conducted many redundant observations, which were integral components in the heliocentric models developed by Kepler and Copernicus. In fact, given the limited means at Brahe's disposal, the raw amount of data he collected was astounding.

What a coincidence. I was discussing this very issue with the sandwich cart lady the other day.

 

[ndanger]

****** man turn the freakin discovery channel either on or off or log on to discovery.com.If I wanted a freakin degree in astronomy,philosophy or argumentative physics I'd go back to college.While it is an entertaining discussion, I will attempt to simplify things for you guys so you can stop your sniffing of one anothers butts like dogs...........We get a free freakin trip around the sun every year.Now back to your regularly scheduled Cowboy discussions.

 

[Hostile]

****** man turn the freakin discovery channel either on or off or log on to discovery.com.If I wanted a freakin degree in astronomy,philosophy or argumentative physics I'd go back to college.While it is an entertaining discussion, I will attempt to simplify things for you guys so you can stop your sniffing of one anothers butts like dogs...........We get a free freakin trip around the sun every year.Now back to your regularly scheduled Cowboy discussions.