CFZ This would make the Cowboys ROH fairer and more respectable

[Diehardblues]

Watching the Cowboys ROH become the personal play thing of Jerry Jones is very sad. Every Cowboys fan who has followed the team for decades knows Jimmy Johnson should be in the Cowboys ROH. Sadly, the pettiness of JJ is cheapening what should be a wonderful reflection of this great sports institution.

As it stands today, one vindictive 80 year old man is in the ONLY decider of who gets in the Cowboys ROH. That’s insane.
Here‘s a process I think would make the ROH fairer and more respectable:

• The team should appoint a select committee who will use a process to select members of the ROH.
  • Members of the committee would include every living member of the ROH, 3 current members of the current Cowboys team who have been with the team 5 or more years, a member of the front office, and 3 long time local sports writers who have covered the Cowboys for decades (Which is what the Pro Football HOF does)
• The ROH committee would meet once a year in the off-season to decide if anyone should be inducted.
• Induction into the ROH would require a 3/4 majority of the committee’s vote.
• No one would be eligible for the ROH until a minimum of five seasons has passed since their retirement.

The current “system” we have is ridiculous. Fans and the team’s former great players and coaches should not be subject to pettiness of one man to make this prestigious group.

Thoughts?

We basically had the same process with Tex Schramm. And didn’t have a problem with it.

I’m curious , besides Jimmy do we have an issue with any others not being enshrined in ROH this era?

 

[ChuckA1]

Check out this article that lists how every team in the NFL selects their ROH members:
https://abc7news.com/sports/does-your-nfl-team-have-a-ring-of-honor-heres-how-it-works/13758264/#:~:text=How voting works:Season-ticket,a list of 13 nominees.

Almost every team in the league uses a committee.

Well, Jerry uses a committee also. A committee of one

 

[Diehardblues]

It is

Agreed. And I would also say Tex Schramm was wrong too being the sole decider of who gets in.

It is what it is. And why individual franchises ROH don’t really carry much significance beyond popularity amongst the fans.

Who cares as long as HOF recognizes them.

We all know why Jethro hadn’t recognized Jimmy. It just illustrates how meaningless it all is.

 

[Creeper]

You are right, but it is Jerry's team and he makes the rules.

 

[DallasEast]

You are right, but it is Jerry's team and he makes the rules.

...which is why he should stop quoting a deceased Tex Schramm's criteria for who he should induct into the Ring.

 

[Kwyn]

He owns the team. As much as we want other people to make these decisions, it’s his decision to make.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

I suppose there’s a small shot at democracy once the current dicktatership ends via natural causes.

Jerry will find a way to stay involved from the afterlife.

 

[rags747]

Well, Jerry uses a committee also. A committee of one

And at the end of the day a Committee of One is the Best Committee! Usually committee’s screw things up, look no further than car design, fighter jet design and on and on. The Greatest leaders of the world have always been a Committee of One.

 

[john van brocklin]

Watching the Cowboys ROH become the personal play thing of Jerry Jones is very sad. Every Cowboys fan who has followed the team for decades knows Jimmy Johnson should be in the Cowboys ROH. Sadly, the pettiness of JJ is cheapening what should be a wonderful reflection of this great sports institution.

As it stands today, one vindictive 80 year old man is in the ONLY decider of who gets in the Cowboys ROH. That’s insane.
Here‘s a process I think would make the ROH fairer and more respectable:

• The team should appoint a select committee who will use a process to select members of the ROH.
  • Members of the committee would include every living member of the ROH, 3 current members of the current Cowboys team who have been with the team 5 or more years, a member of the front office, and 3 long time local sports writers who have covered the Cowboys for decades (Which is what the Pro Football HOF does)
• The ROH committee would meet once a year in the off-season to decide if anyone should be inducted.
• Induction into the ROH would require a 3/4 majority of the committee’s vote.
• No one would be eligible for the ROH until a minimum of five seasons has passed since their retirement.

The current “system” we have is ridiculous. Fans and the team’s former great players and coaches should not be subject to pettiness of one man to make this prestigious group.

Thoughts?

Sounds great.
It will never happen.
Jerry is large and in charge.

 

[Bobhaze]

And at the end of the day a Committee of One is the Best Committee! Usually committee’s screw things up, look no further than car design, fighter jet design and on and on. The Greatest leaders of the world have always been a Committee of One.

Wow. Dictators in history? You may want to rethink that one.

 

[Bobhaze]

We basically had the same process with Tex Schramm. And didn’t have a problem with it.

I’m curious , besides Jimmy do we have an issue with any others not being enshrined in ROH this era?

I think we did have a problem with Tex too. Look at all the guys who didn’t get in during Tex’s time- Too Tall, Cornel Green, Harvey Martin. Tex was bad about holding grudges against guys from contract negotiations.

 

[rags747]

Wow. Dictators in history? You may want to rethink that one.

Was thinking more along the lines of Jobs, Musk, Gates, Ellison, Jay Z, Sean Combs and on and on And on. Our best Presidents have been committee’s of one as well. One persons Dictator is another persons great leader. Always easy for people or governments to label those that they do not agree with with ugly names in an effort to make themselves look better. We won’t agree so better to leave it at that.

 

[Captain Late]

I think we did have a problem with Tex too. Look at all the guys who didn’t get in during Tex’s time- Too Tall, Cornel Green, Harvey Martin. Tex was bad about holding grudges against guys from contract negotiations.

Fair and accurate point.Tex Schramm kept Lee Roy Jordan out of the ROH for his holding out in the 1973 Preseason.Didn't put Bob Hayes in there because he held out and got a big contract from him in 1971.Held a grudge against Rayfield Wright for signing a contract with the WFL in 1974.All 3 of those guys were worthy of what standards Tex always referred to when he referenced what the ROH represented.

Tex also completely shut down the ROH after they put Roger Staubach in during the 1983 Season.Which also hurt Cornell Green and Harvey Martin.He was preoccupied with the problems the Cowboys Franchise had after Bum Bright bought the team in 1984 and too focused on the NFL battle with the USFL and the 1987 Players/Owners conflict.For all the great contributions Tex made to both the Dallas Cowboys and the NFL he did them a lot of harm after Clint Murchison sold the Team.

 

[Diehardblues]

I think we did have a problem with Tex too. Look at all the guys who didn’t get in during Tex’s time- Too Tall, Cornel Green, Harvey Martin. Tex was bad about holding grudges against guys from contract negotiations.

I think that’s always going to be an issue with some fans that everyone doesn’t get in they think is deserving. Same issue with HOF.

There’s always going to be circumstances outside of the performance and impact on the field which influences decisions much as it was for Bullet Bob as well.

We must always remember this is a business first and those personal incidents can influence these decisions much like what’s happening with Jimmy.

 

[Diehardblues]

Fair and accurate point.Tex Schramm kept Lee Roy Jordan out of the ROH for his holding out in the 1973 Preseason.Didn't put Bob Hayes in there because he held out and got a big contract from him in 1971.Held a grudge against Rayfield Wright for signing a contract with the WFL in 1974.All 3 of those guys were worthy of what standards Tex always referred to when he referenced what the ROH represented.

Tex also completely shut down the ROH after they put Roger Staubach in during the 1983 Season.Which also hurt Cornell Green and Harvey Martin.He was preoccupied with the problems the Cowboys Franchise had after Bum Bright bought the team in 1984 and too focused on the NFL battle with the USFL and the 1987 Players/Owners conflict.For all the great contributions Tex made to both the Dallas Cowboys and the NFL he did them a lot of harm after Clint Murchison sold the Team.

Tex could have possibly been more monstrous than Jethro but there’s one thing he didn’t do which was most important.

He didn’t need to share the spotlight with Landry and being the face of franchise receiving credit for the football success.

He was content with the success from the business side which isn’t enough for Jethro and what ran Jimmy off.

 

[Diehardblues]

Bobs intentions in this thread are honorable. But Cowboys ROH isnt meant to represent what the HOF does with actual writers lobbying and then voting on inductions which is a political type undertaking not exactly what fans want regardless if they are believed it to be.

And when you only have 300+ players representing 100 years of professional football it’s meant to be a very exclusive fraternity that everyone deserving won’t get in. It doesn’t have to be perfect to work.

 

[ottawacowpoke]

The idea that an NFL franchise is 100% the property of one individual is as ancient as the pyramids. Owning an NFL team is NOT like owning a family lumber business which in that case you should have total autonomy. Sports team owners are also beholden to the communities that have supported their teams.

In the case of the Dallas franchise:

• While Jerry has certainly done a great job of increasing the value of the Cowboys and all NFL teams, he did not buy the browns. He bought “America’s Team” which already had a great brand when he bought it.
• The voters in Irving and Arlington have certainly padded his wallet through paying for most of the building of the two stadiums the Cowboys have played in since he bought the team. A family lumber company doesn’t have taxpayers build stuff for them.

Here’s what an owner of a modern sports owes its community:

• While Jerry and the Jones family are entitled to the profits of the franchise, they also have an obligation to their community to not make the team a “personal toy”.
• Almost all modern sports teams have a much higher commitment to be accountable to their fans and community. Look at the article I linked at how many teams now use committees rather than one dictator to decide their ROH.

I could go on. But saying that the owner of the Dallas Cowboys is the same as owning a family donut shop or restaurant is ridiculous. Owners of sports franchises owe a lot to the communities where they reside and where they receive huge tax breaks other “family” businesses do not.

I agree with you but San Diego and St. Louis (just off the top of my head) would probably argue that this isn’t really the case.

 

[Angus12]

What’s worse about the current system is that Jones is going to start inducting guys who don’t even have rings.

Should guys like DeMarcus Ware and Jason Witten not be considered for the ROH?

 

[Angus12]

Jimmy does not care about the RoH. I'm not certain he would show up if he was inducted...

I do not believe this for a second. Don't kid yourself, Jimmy has an ego. A very large one. And aside from the HOF itself, what better way to have that ego stroked than to be immortalized by the most visible football team in the world?

 

[DallasEast]

Should guys like DeMarcus Ware and Jason Witten not be considered for the ROH?

Relatable question for Witten but not for Ware, who won a Super Bowl with Denver and has been announced to be inducted into the Ring this year by Jones already.