This year sucked but I really don't think this team is anywhere near as bad they appear

[CrownCowboy]

Who are those players?

Should have said former players, my mistake.

I've heard Troy Aikman on several occassions mention it as well as Deion Sanders.

As for current players, it seems like I read something about Corey White mention something about it, but that could be chalked up to sour grapes.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Should have said former players, my mistake.

I've heard Troy Aikman on several occassions mention it as well as Deion Sanders.

As for current players, it seems like I read something about Corey White mention something about it, but that could be chalked up to sour grapes.

Im all for giving Garrett his walking papers, but I didnt remember any players saying that. Not that they need to say it for it to be true.

 

[CrownCowboy]

Im all for giving Garrett his walking papers, but I didnt remember any players saying that. Not that they need to say it for it to be true.

Well to be fair, I don't have a laundry list of players that have said it. Also, Aikman nor Sanders played under Garrett. They just simply made observations.

I guess the only real instance I have heard about is an article I read where Corey White hinted at the fact that no adjustments were ever made here in Dallas. I don't have access to that article now but I'll try and find it. With that being said, perhaps I shouldn't have referenced it in my original post and certainly not make it seem like mutliple players said it.

I think though that it is fairly obvious, regardless.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I think though that it is fairly obvious, regardless.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I liked last year just fine up until the bogus overturned call, didn't you? And can you honestly tell me that our offense doesn't score 3 more points per game with Romo in the lineup this year (if we do that we are playoff bound)? You are just like all of those who wanted to trade Romo to be able to draft Manziel (because Romo wasn't working)... where are those people now?

One playoff season in 6 years and you are popping champagne?

I tend to judge a coach off a full body of work, not one outlier season..........but maybe that is just me.

 

[DandyDon52]

Should have said former players, my mistake.

I've heard Troy Aikman on several occassions mention it as well as Deion Sanders.

As for current players, it seems like I read something about Corey White mention something about it, but that could be chalked up to sour grapes.

As a general rule players cannot say what they really think about team, HC or other things, it may be in their contracts, and could also
affect them even on another team to say bad things about previous team.

All they can do is say what they are told or something good.

 

[CrownCowboy]

As a general rule players cannot say what they really think about team, HC or other things, it may be in their contracts, and could also
affect them even on another team to say bad things about previous team.

All they can do is say what they are told or something good.

This was after White was cut and went to the Cardinals. But as it stands now, I can't find the article that I read so I can't prove that anything was said. So it is what it is.

I agree that what these players say are contractually binding. These teams make sure of that.

 

[DandyDon52]

I wonder if at week one, you said a 8-8 team would win the div or 7-9, and that Tony would get knocked out for season, and Dez for
what 6 games?
And that dallas would start out 2-0 with Romo. ( so hey they would only need 6 more wins!! easy!)
And that Dallas would not even be close to the 8-8 team, most would not believe that.
Most would say Dallas would still win the div if teams were 6-8 and 7-7 with 2 games to go.

I think even I would have said Dallas could win div without Romo in such a scenario.

Yet here we are eliminated with 2 games still to go!!

A simpler thing would be telling fans here that without tony after week 2 and being 2-0 at that point, we would only
win 2 more games all season (1 of those being Romo's 1 1/2 game return), I dont think anyone would go along with that, and they would all be saying your crazy or not a fan.

I also find it odd weeden won his first game with texans, and when he came in they were down 10-0.
and he had only been with the team for what 2 weeks?
That has to make you wonder about the coaching here.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

What about the three years before last? Did you like those years as well?

Any intellegent person can look at Garrett's body of work while head coach and come to the conclusion that last year was the exception, not the norm.

It's blatantly obvious that he cannot outcoach his opponent week in and week out. Hell, even players have commented on that.

As for me personally, I've watched him enough to know that the man has a hard time knowing when to call timeouts. He has a hard time knowing when to throw a challenge flag. He has a hard time knowing when to go for it or not on 4th down. It's at the point now that it's embarrassing. Forget wondering if we can win consistently with him. He has been here long enough to know the answer to that. At this point it's just embarrassing.

So where do we go from here? Do we keep trotting him out there on the sidelines next year hoping for different results or do we move forward with somebody who actually has a chance to utilize the talent that we have?

That game last night against the Jets and how it ended was the exact game I and the rest of us have watched probably about 6 or 7 times this year. When this team gets in a situation at the end of the game where we have a chance to win the same thing has happened, over and over and over again. They know what will happen before it happens because their head coach has failed in making them believe or play like that can change things and win those games.

We've seen enough.

 

[JoeKing]

They are what their record says they are. Tuna wouldn't lie about a thing like that.

 

[DandyDon52]

I just went and looked at weeden HL , and he looks like a totally different qb than what I saw here in dallas.

 

[waving monkey]

There is nothing wrong with the personnel on the field just the general who is leading them. Don't get me wrong, this team is far from perfect but it has a lot of talent that is underutilized with very poor schemes. Our coaching gives us zero advantage on the other teams we play.

Red is fine just like he was last year

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Red is fine just like he was last year

Red was riding a wave last year and was fine. This year, he's been anything but fine. How has he been fine? Im just curious because it hasnt been football related and thats what Ive been paying attention too, so maybe I missed something other than the football stuff.

 

[coach steele]

The colts and Jim Caldwell are actually a very good historical example of what we are seeing in Dallas—an average coach and his staff being elevated by superb qb play. Once that qb is unavailable, they are left exposed.

Caldwell’s record With Peyton: 24-8

Caldwell’s record Without Peyton: 17-28

What was Mike Shannahan's record in Washington without an elite QB? How has Fisher done without an elite QB? I love the idea of bringing in Payton (not going to happen), but any coaching staff is "exposed" without a trigger man QB.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Yea this year sucked but... I really don't think this team is anywhere near as bad they appear.

This reminds me of the guys that put an ad on craigslist selling a car that just needs a lil TLC and then you look at the pics

 

[Dodger12]

What was Mike Shannahan's record in Washington without an elite QB? How has Fisher done without an elite QB? I love the idea of bringing in Payton (not going to happen), but any coaching staff is "exposed" without a trigger man QB.

The real question is what was Shanahan's overall record without a franchise QB? Why narrow it down to Washington? He won games with Brian Griese, Jake Plummer and a young Jay Cutler and RGIII, all of whom made the Pro-Bowl under Shanahan. I completely agree that it's tough to win without a franchise QB and no one should expect that Garrett can make a SB run without one. But this idea that a coach can't win without one is ludicrous.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

What was Mike Shannahan's record in Washington without an elite QB? How has Fisher done without an elite QB? I love the idea of bringing in Payton (not going to happen), but any coaching staff is "exposed" without a trigger man QB.

Didnt Shanahan win 12 games with a fraud at QB that didnt know how to read a defense? In a system/scheme that produced in spite of the player?

 

[waving monkey]

Red was riding a wave last year and was fine. This year, he's been anything but fine. How has he been fine? Im just curious because it hasnt been football related and thats what Ive been paying attention too, so maybe I missed something other than the football stuff.

I know you dont want it to be so but last year happened what ever your metaphor
and as waves recede they return again

 

[bayeslife]

I don't think it is either but they need a better offensive scheme to get the ball in your best players hands.

 

[Wolfpack]

I don't see things changing much until we change the head coach. This is the 4th season in 5 years the Cowboys will be sitting home for the playoffs. That falls on the head coach.

With a top tier QB none the less.