Thoughts about fixing the run game-looking more to next season

[JeffInDC]

Good offenses throw on first down. Loading up against the run on first down is suicide for defenses against a good offense.

If not for the penalties/calls, the defense was fine in the first half.

The run D was getting gashed from the opening drive on - there is no sugarcoating that.

 

[JeffInDC]

OL, LB, RB, CB are our priority needs.

The 5th need is another NT type.

 

[blueblood70]

You have plenty of time, otherwise you wouldn't spend so much time posting...lol
Just BYBs

see that's where you'd be wrong if I didn't use talk to text text really fast I would not have time but yet now I can make time I have two Facebook pages I am running my own little business I use Twitter I'm all over the place and then you add in my personal life and all the other things I gotta do my house etcetera etcetera no I do not have the time nor will I take the time y'all will get run on sentences and possibly phonetically poorly spelled words lack of punctuation and grammar and I really don't care...

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

The run D was getting gashed from the opening drive on - there is no sugarcoating that.

Ok? And if not for the penalties they would have gone

Field goal, punt, punt, punt. Pretty good defensive effort, I'd say.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

The 5th need is another NT type.

Why? How many guys who can't penetrate does this team need lol

 

[JeffInDC]

Except our LBs aren't the bigger 3-4 type LBs, or even the 4-3 type LBs, but hybrid LB/S.

Parsons at LB on run downs would help a lot, giving us a legitimately sized LB on run downs, and he would always be a threat to blitz from there anyway.

I think they're trying to go to bigger NTs, but haven't really gotten quality personnel for it, though Mazie is coming along, and should be better next year.

We're made to play from a lead, and can't play from behind. Means a lot more blowouts for both wins and losses.

We would lose a lot more often if teams would just stick to the run against us, but teams always give up on the run too early, playing into our strategy.

That is why they should shift to more 3-4 principles and play Micah were he’s a PERFECT fit - OLB in the 3-4.

 

[blueblood70]

Mazi looked decent vs Bills, was highest rated DL per off. 2 pressures one sack.

He always needed time to learn nuances of playing DT in NFL.

Most have said he graded out pretty well so all the haters saying he's a straight up bust most of all I'm still finding on social media don't understand he's even a nose tackle they called him a defensive end I mean that's not even a three tech they truly don't understand what they're looking at and to be honest unless you broke down every play neither do most of us they don't know his assignment and they truly don't know if he was successful or not because we have problems all over the field around him bad tackling bad alignment and being out of place overrunning plays by our safeties and linebackers it's not like our defensive ends pinch down and did their job I mean it was a total team loss top to bottom and too much is coming from this..

Chalk it up as a loss it only counts as one loss there are no moral victories so I think a lot of people keep going back to three or four plays and said what if we made these yeah what if and we still lose by eight points would that make everyone feel better not me it's still a loss to me getting their butts kicked sent home crying like they got their lunch money taken it's gonna toughen the team up at least wake them up for at least the next game so the fact that we haven't lost back-to-back games in quite a while hopefully we make a statement in Miami just to make fans feel better.... It would be a road win outdoors against a team with a winning record so we can judge how this team responds versus the actual Buffalo game where nothing went right at all...

 

[blueblood70]

Agree, Dan Quinn is going to continue to run out that undersized group that excels against the pass. If we really want changes, another DC needs to replace him.

Exactly I'm not petitioning to get rid of Dan Quinn but I'm really tired of hearing about how Mike McCarthy should be let go if we don't get to an NFC championship game and then insert Dan Quinn that's just ridiculous he's been a large part of why we're losing games he's had this history what happened last year in Jacksonville and Green Bay where big leads in the fourth quarter they couldn't hold them you're losing an overtime you can't shut teams down on the first drive of the game and you claim to be tired you start blaming the offense for not sustaining drives so they're tired and that's why the offense is at fault because they're not protecting the defense on no that nonsense went out early in the season when they tried to have a conservative offense and the defense still just didn't do their jobs IMHO

so I'm just trying to keep it real here people need to stop salivating over Dan Quinn and using excuses his defenses are getting gashed much like in Buffalo you can't start games out and put your team in a hole and I if I'm Mike McCarthy I gotta stop using that if you win the coin flip just go out on offense not that it's gonna be any better bucket depending that this defense is gonna shut somebody down hasn't happened in at least 8-9 games this year we have given up points to start the game on the first drives and in a lot of games we've been giving up points coming out of halftime this defense it's overrated and it might start with the scheme in a egocentric coach who wants to play aggressive all out hair on fire hero ball and not adjust..​

​

I mean if you think about it this is much like some of the games early in the year where Mike McCarthy looked at the weather they looked at that defense over in Buffalo and says hey we're gonna run the football we're gonna play conservative we're gonna let the defense handle it and then the defense gets ran over from the first snap and the game starts getting away from him and he changed his game plan and it didn't work...​

​

So anyone who wants Dan Quinn is the next head coach here is really delusional if we're gonna make a big change like that we need to do it from top to bottom and have no one left over you need to hire a head coach and let him pick everyone else...​

​

And not that I want to get rid of Dan Quinn but sometimes you got to look at how great a players we have in the window we have open sometimes the change is good we have great players and maybe the next step is a different voice...​

 

[Typhus]

see that's where you'd be wrong if I didn't use talk to text text really fast I would not have time but yet now I can make time I have two Facebook pages I am running my own little business I use Twitter I'm all over the place and then you add in my personal life and all the other things I gotta do my house etcetera etcetera no I do not have the time nor will I take the time y'all will get run on sentences and possibly phonetically poorly spelled words lack of punctuation and grammar and I really don't care...

I know your gig, and its actually really smart, I would have pages of posts if I used speech recognition, but everybody here would probably be very annoyed with me...lol
Love reading your posts BTW

 

[blueblood70]

That is why they should shift to more 3-4 principles and play Micah were he’s a PERFECT fit - OLB in the 3-4.

Well I guess somebody needs to send a note over to Dan Quinn because Dan Quinn gets way too many excuses to why we're losing games why we're getting ran over too many times in the first series of every game and sometimes coming out of halftime they just don't seem to be making the right adjustments to a bad game plan... I don't wanna put all the blame on Dan Quinn because he's blaming all the missed tackles and I'm saying the missed tackles happen because your defense was out of place and they were not in the right formations and play calls...

At the very least you look at the Eagles they changed defensive coordinators even though they didn't fire theirs they made a shift they're trying even this late in the season Dan Quinn needs to do something different these need to be three practice games two being on the road against good teams for the playoffs you need to start making your adjustments now why you can do it live against real competition not in practice... And for sure not when it's too late

 

[JeffInDC]

Why? How many guys who can't penetrate does this team need lol

If you have DL that can actually take on double teams, the LB’s SHOULD be the ones shooting the gaps and making plays behind the LOS. Good 3-4 based teams normally have to hogs to control gaps and the 3rd is more of a 3T/5T. Look at Baltimore this year as a great example of how things SHOULD work. Michael Pierce and Travis Jones eat up blocks while Madabuike, the ILB, and Edge guys all get the TFL’s & Sacks. That’s what I’d like to see in Dallas.

 

[blueblood70]

I know your gig, and its actually really smart, I would have pages of posts if I used speech recognition, but everybody here would probably be very annoyed with me...lol

https://media.giphy.com/media/i8e7h6GcdopvVG5Nhm/giphy-downsized-large.gif

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

If you have DL that can actually take on double teams, the LB’s SHOULD be the ones shooting the gaps and making plays behind the LOS. Good 3-4 based teams normally have to hogs to control gaps and the 3rd is more of a 3T/5T. Look at Baltimore this year as a great example of how things SHOULD work. Michael Pierce and Travis Jones eat up blocks while Madabuike, the ILB, and Edge guys all get the TFL’s & Sacks. That’s what I’d like to see in Dallas.

This isn't real in 2024. There's no such thing as an effective 2-gap player.

 

[visionary]

If I was in charge, I would look to sign a couple of big DTs to go with Mazi and Osa. I don't know that we need Golston, and I don't think Gallimore is good enough. In the draft I would look for a big rangy MLB who can flow to both sides of the field, with great recognition skills. He needs to be smart and a thumper. If he looks like an arm tackler, then I want someone else.

Next year the Cowboys should be thinking about replacing Bell with Overshown, if he comes back looking like he did in preseason. Clark would be depth.

Where the Cowboys will be drafting, probably around 25, they can find a top LB, or S. But if you put Greenlaw type LB on the Cowboys the run defense will improve a lot.

The problem is the Cowboys are in a limiting CAP situation. They can get a big save by extending Dak but they will still be limited because of the number of key free agents of their own. Of course we can let them go but you still need players to take their spots.

Cap will be a significant limiting factor going forward
By next year we will be paying top 5 positional money to Diggs, Dak, Parsons and CD
That will have a very significant impact no matter how you ***** the numbers

 

[Typhus]

Cap will be a significant limiting factor going forward
By next year we will be paying top 5 positional money to Diggs, Dak, Parsons and CD
That will have a very significant impact no matter how you ***** the numbers

At some point there has to be a trade of some sort.

 

[Gambit]

Cap will be a significant limiting factor going forward
By next year we will be paying top 5 positional money to Diggs, Dak, Parsons and CD
That will have a very significant impact no matter how you ***** the numbers

I say cut everyone 4th rd pick or higher, throw Bland in too trade all of our 1-3rd round picks for 5th and below, just so fans can be happy with low cap numbers.

Disclaimer:
This is sarcasm laced with satire.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Biaz is the weaklink and struggles against power. There is a reason why he remains unsigned.

From PFF
Contract Projection: Three years, $21 million ($7 million per year), $11 million total guaranteed

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Cap will be a significant limiting factor going forward
By next year we will be paying top 5 positional money to Diggs, Dak, Parsons and CD
That will have a very significant impact no matter how you ***** the numbers

It is a significant impact but it's also completely fake.

CD's extention won't start until 2025, Parsons until 2026, and that's assuming neither gets a tag.

 

[Creeper]

As I said in another response, don't need star type of players, more quality role players who can be effective on obvious run situations. In my opinion, we have been gashed more off the edge then within the interior, I'm moving Parsons off the ball and putting a stout edge defender in his place. Parsons still will be able to move around and rush the passer, but flowing to the football, rather then taking on big Tackles.

I agree, the problem is outside and it has been for a while. The Cowboys seem to rush the passer first and defend the edge second. Moving Parsons off ball would probably invite more passing than running. Without the pass rush, I don't know how effective this defense can be.

I have to say I am really disappointed in hos Dorance Armstrong has played this year. He has not been steady on the edge at all. Fowler is not a run defender. I thought I saw Golston move outside some against the Bills but he was never effective out there as a rusher or run defender. Maybe Fehoko will fill that spot next year.

 

[JeffInDC]

This isn't real in 2024. There's no such thing as an effective 2-gap player.

So, Pierce and Jones are 1-gapers now? In what universe?