Thoughts about fixing the run game-looking more to next season

[gimmesix]

What happens if one of the starters goes down? We need another quality corner. Agree, not top of the list though

Right. Depth is very important, but having the best starters we can is more important.

A lot is going to depend on who we retain. If we let Gilmore and Lewis walk, then third corner becomes a high priority. If Tyron retires and/or we let Biadasz walk, then we possibly need two OL starters. Etc.

 

[Cowboyny]

I agree, the problem is outside and it has been for a while. The Cowboys seem to rush the passer first and defend the edge second. Moving Parsons off ball would probably invite more passing than running. Without the pass rush, I don't know how effective this defense can be.

I have to say I am really disappointed in hos Dorance Armstrong has played this year. He has not been steady on the edge at all. Fowler is not a run defender. I thought I saw Golston move outside some against the Bills but he was never effective out there as a rusher or run defender. Maybe Fehoko will fill that spot next year.

Armstrong disappeared mid-season last yr and has made much of an impact at all. Fowler is a good pass rush specialist, but struggles defending the run. Fehoko was excellent on the college level getting tackles for loss, maybe he offers something next yr, but heard they maybe training him to play 3T. Golston has done much since he has been drafted, was suppose to be a plus run defender an a average pass rusher.

 

[Cowboyny]

From PFF
Contract Projection: Three years, $21 million ($7 million per year), $11 million total guaranteed

Not terrible numbers, but this might be a spot they look to upgrade via the draft.

 

[Cowboyny]

Exactly I'm not petitioning to get rid of Dan Quinn but I'm really tired of hearing about how Mike McCarthy should be let go if we don't get to an NFC championship game and then insert Dan Quinn that's just ridiculous he's been a large part of why we're losing games he's had this history what happened last year in Jacksonville and Green Bay where big leads in the fourth quarter they couldn't hold them you're losing an overtime you can't shut teams down on the first drive of the game and you claim to be tired you start blaming the offense for not sustaining drives so they're tired and that's why the offense is at fault because they're not protecting the defense on no that nonsense went out early in the season when they tried to have a conservative offense and the defense still just didn't do their jobs IMHO

so I'm just trying to keep it real here people need to stop salivating over Dan Quinn and using excuses his defenses are getting gashed much like in Buffalo you can't start games out and put your team in a hole and I if I'm Mike McCarthy I gotta stop using that if you win the coin flip just go out on offense not that it's gonna be any better bucket depending that this defense is gonna shut somebody down hasn't happened in at least 8-9 games this year we have given up points to start the game on the first drives and in a lot of games we've been giving up points coming out of halftime this defense it's overrated and it might start with the scheme in a egocentric coach who wants to play aggressive all out hair on fire hero ball and not adjust..​

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I mean if you think about it this is much like some of the games early in the year where Mike McCarthy looked at the weather they looked at that defense over in Buffalo and says hey we're gonna run the football we're gonna play conservative we're gonna let the defense handle it and then the defense gets ran over from the first snap and the game starts getting away from him and he changed his game plan and it didn't work...​

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So anyone who wants Dan Quinn is the next head coach here is really delusional if we're gonna make a big change like that we need to do it from top to bottom and have no one left over you need to hire a head coach and let him pick everyone else...​

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And not that I want to get rid of Dan Quinn but sometimes you got to look at how great a players we have in the window we have open sometimes the change is good we have great players and maybe the next step is a different voice...​

If MM got fired, which is highly unlikely, hiring an offensive mind would be the right choice to make. We have seen what hiring DC's has done around the league. Quinn has had success here, but I think many have overrated this defense. Yes, excellent in pressuring the QB, generating turnovers (this might be more about our DB Coach), but average at best run defense. To be fair, the same issue is with the other side of the football as well, very average rushing attack. When you look at the elite teams, they can beat you any which way, the Cowboys cannot.

 

[Cowboyny]

The 5th need is another NT type.

Yes, DL is also a pressing need.

 

[Cowboyny]

Good offenses throw on first down. Loading up against the run on first down is suicide for defenses against a good offense.

If not for the penalties/calls, the defense was fine in the first half.

Defense gave up 200 yards to an average back. That was unacceptable. You can defend the pass with big personnel, just don't put your undersize players against bigger matchups.

 

[Cowboyny]

So you don't think we will even make him an offer........just let him walk?

Yes, think we would of heard about extension talks already if they were interested. Might be wrong, but we usually hear if the team wants to bring someone back.

 

[Cowboyny]

Overshown will help next year, but I dont think he is a Mike. He is really a bigger version of our hybrid S/LB. I think you could see another LB in the top 90.

Unfortunately Golston has been a bust against the run. I can see them going DE in the first, and with Armstrong and Lawrence likely coming off the books the next two year, I can see them targeting a similar 6/7 gap player. This draft lines up well with that with Tuimoloau, Trice snd Landon Jackson possibly available our 1st

Agree with everything you said: Overshown is more of a hybrid/weakside linebacker. Golston was suppose to be a plus run defender and an average pass rusher, he barely has made much of an impact. Armstrong also hasn't flashed much this season.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

You can defend the pass with big personnel

Depends what you mean by big.

If your answer is 260 lb linebackers, no you can't. It's why they don't exist anymore.

 

[DuncanIso]

Hire someone who knows how to run a 3-4 scheme.
Move away from the 'Finesse' LB to big thicker LBs' like Bradie James was, who can do a solid job.
Realise you are going to have to pay Micah Parsons big time, so at least build your team around him by moving him to his best position OLB.
Learn from your mistakes, build your defense to peak in the playoffs, not be worn down by December

They won’t do that.

Our D is a pass defense.

Built to play with a lead.

It’s a 4-2-5 but plays like a 3-3-5 stack. Parsons is on a blitz every play.

 

[DuncanIso]

Biaz is the weaklink and struggles against power. There is a reason why he remains unsigned.

That’s not true.

Dude hustles, saved us at least two turnovers.

He’s a Pro Bowl center now. So it’s gonna cost $$$ to keep him.

 

[DuncanIso]

OL, LB, RB, CB are our priority needs.

We have scrub RBs.

RB1 is a priority.

 

[Cowboyny]

That’s not true.

Dude hustles, saved us at least two turnovers.

He’s a Pro Bowl center now. So it’s gonna cost $$$ to keep him.

In my opinion, he is solid starter, but not worth the contract he is going to get

 

[Cowboyny]

We have scrub RBs.

RB1 is a priority.

It’s a list of all primary needs

 

[IceStar-D7]

Fix the middle back we'll have a dominate defense. Won't be hard at all if GMless does his job.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Not terrible numbers, but this might be a spot they look to upgrade via the draft.

I can see that.......drafting as low, they may be able to get No.1 graded guard/center.

 

[blueblood70]

Yes, DL is also a pressing need.

While I agree somewhat, it's on the list of needs

However,

I gotta tell you I I think it's more pressing if we had to choose to get an elite off the ball middle linebacker big strong fast a Fred Warner type or like I've said before... I think we made a mistake the only mistake in the offseason with all these older free agents that's been available not getting Bobby Wagner 2 years ago

if we can get a Bobby Wagner type out of college for this defense you don't need to have another defensive lineman we have OSA and we have MSmith who by the way people think there's a boss but I think mazy going to come along next offseason. we just picked a nose tackle, you got to let him develop and the other guys who are kind of coming in inside you got Gholston and you still have Gallimore.

Now if for some reason they don't resign OSA then yeah it becomes a priority to get another three tech like him or better but to me middle linebacker has been an issue for awhile LE's out there is nobody on this roster that looks right for the part..

I mean again if I had to choose I'm taking the elite linebacker if he's there in the first round that would be my priority pick this year...

 

[Cowboyny]

While I agree somewhat, it's on the list of needs

However,

I gotta tell you I I think it's more pressing if we had to choose to get an elite off the ball middle linebacker big strong fast a Fred Warner type or like I've said before... I think we made a mistake the only mistake in the offseason with all these older free agents that's been available not getting Bobby Wagner 2 years ago

if we can get a Bobby Wagner type out of college for this defense you don't need to have another defensive lineman we have OSA and we have MSmith who by the way people think there's a boss but I think mazy going to come along next offseason. we just picked a nose tackle, you got to let him develop and the other guys who are kind of coming in inside you got Gholston and you still have Gallimore.

Now if for some reason they don't resign OSA then yeah it becomes a priority to get another three tech like him or better but to me middle linebacker has been an issue for awhile LE's out there is nobody on this roster that looks right for the part..

I mean again if I had to choose I'm taking the elite linebacker if he's there in the first round that would be my priority pick this year...

-Need a legitimate mike linebacker that excels against the run.
-With all these outside runs killing this defense, believe they really need another DE who has the ability to set the Edge.
-Osa is going to be resigned, Mazi is on his rookie contract, they are going to need more inside as well.

What makes next offseason difficult is that they have to resign several top of the market players and also have a lot of offensive needs, especially fixing their ground attack. Biaz/Tyron/Pollard as all set to be fa's.

 

[Cowboyny]

I can see that.......drafting as low, they may be able to get No.1 graded guard/center.

The Duke prospect who Dane projected to us in his latest mock makes a lot of sense. Has the ability to play multiple positions.

 

[blueblood70]

-Need a legitimate mike linebacker that excels against the run.
-With all these outside runs killing this defense, believe they really need another DE who has the ability to set the Edge.
-Osa is going to be resigned, Mazi is on his rookie contract, they are going to need more inside as well.

What makes next offseason difficult is that they have to resign several top of the market players and also have a lot of offensive needs, especially fixing their ground attack. Biaz/Tyron/Pollard as all set to be fa's.

Oh they have the ability to set the edge but maybe the play calls the scheme the inability is the inability to call the right place and to instill it into your player's head that that needs to be done instead of hey just go head hunt for the quarterback because that is what Dan Quinn has done here... He's accepted it and he shouldn't.... I think tanks a great guy to set the edge and that's why they run away from his side a lot of the times people don't even give him any credit this dudes a lot better than he's been advertised around here people wanted tank cut years ago they don't realize how good he is in all three phases he's blocking passes he's setting the edge he's getting sacks and pressures when needed just because he's not putting up 14 sacks a year somehow he gets dismissed around here but I believe Sam Williams is pretty good but he doesn't play enough he's still maturing but Micah Parsons the light is shining on him and he's being allowed to be BMOC without any repercussions from the coats the coaches need to go in and says dude part of your job it's stopping the run so you better be looking for the run first and then go after the quarterback it's part of the scheme...