Thoughts on Mazi thus far

Mac_MaloneV1

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Go tell the coaching staff we didn't need to improve run d. Record it and upload it too so we can all see MM and Quinn laugh in your face
They're wrong. And of course coaches say that. What coach would ever say "Yea, we're good" at any aspect of the game. It's nothing.

It's also entirely immaterial to the point, which is that nobody can tell me what to expect in actual improvement in the run defense against Philly and SF, and how it makes any tangible difference. Wax poetic all you want, but you whine about me not changing my mind, when you have an opinion that is not based on any sense of fact lol.
 

stilltheguru

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They're wrong. And of course coaches say that. What coach would ever say "Yea, we're good" at any aspect of the game. It's nothing.

It's also entirely immaterial to the point, which is that nobody can tell me what to expect in actual improvement in the run defense against Philly and SF, and how it makes any tangible difference. Wax poetic all you want, but you whine about me not changing my mind, when you have an opinion that is not based on any sense of fact lol.
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They drafted him because DT has been a talent starved position on the roster for years. Obviously they expect him to help give our defense another dimension.

We were a bottom 10 team in stopping the run last year, and it’s been the weakness for what was otherwise a complete defense. The big guys up front help make everything work better. I don’t understand what your argument is.
Pretty sure he doesn't either.
 

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Mazi was definitely a need for this defense.

People won't like to hear it, but DQ's front seven is pretty similar to Rod Marinelli's front seven. They both love to play undersized, high-energy pass rushers and run huge amounts of stunts with them. Quinn really likes to overload one side of the formation as well.

On top of that, DQ doesn't really like deploying traditional linebackers. He basically uses box safeties for that role. Again, trading size for speed underneath.

So he needs at least a couple run stoppers in there. He's going small up front, and sacrificing gap integrity to set up pass rush games. You need a big NT who can put a dent in the line, or more physical teams like the Niners are just going to push your entire front off the ball.

In Seattle, Quinn had Brandon Mebane on the nose. In Atlanta, he had Grady Jarrett, who was sort of a unicorn as an excellent pass rusher and run defender. Here, he didn't have anything besides the usual Garrett-era Nick Hayden types. Even pulling Johnathan Hankins basically off the scrap heap made a big difference, so I totally get the need for a young and talented player there.

The need is there, the scheme fit is there, but I just did not like Mazi as a prospect. It's like Taco Charlton... DE was a huge need when we picked him, but drafting a bust DE didn't fix that. Rule zero of the draft is "try to pick a good player", and I just did not think Mazi is one.

He's young. We'll see how he develops.
Dude has 1 solo tackle in 28 snaps.
 

Shane612

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I think people tend to give draft picks, especially first round picks, some slack, and hope he improves.
 

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2 early games in his career, what are your thoughts, have you seen any improvement thus far since the pre season! Be reminded he is still developing (there I said it). Please give your thoughts
My thoughts are I haven't seen him or heard his name called at all. Maybe I'm not paying attention but he certainly isn't doing much.

I heard Jerry talking him up on the Fan, even mentioned a Guard they could have taken that would've started for years but went on about how great Mazi is. I'm thinking he is talking HIMSELF into believing it.
 

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Dudes had 28 total snaps. The run defense has been stout. There really hasn’t been a need to increase his snap count since teams are forced to pass more. I saw him contribute on a couple occasions.
 

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They're wrong. And of course coaches say that. What coach would ever say "Yea, we're good" at any aspect of the game. It's nothing.

It's also entirely immaterial to the point, which is that nobody can tell me what to expect in actual improvement in the run defense against Philly and SF, and how it makes any tangible difference. Wax poetic all you want, but you whine about me not changing my mind, when you have an opinion that is not based on any sense of fact lol.
You’re so confident it’s comical. I needed a good laugh.
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Mac_MaloneV1

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You’re so confident it’s comical. I needed a good laugh.
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Someone give me some proof that the run defense is bad, and that Mazi is fixing it.

What's comical is how sure you are when there's absolutely 0 real data to back it up.
 

CowboyStar88

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Someone give me some proof that the run defense is bad, and that Mazi is fixing it.

What's comical is how sure you are when there's absolutely 0 real data to back it up.
You said the coaches are wrong. You know the guys who spend hours looking at film trying to determine the areas they need to shore up.

With 28 snaps it’s hard to determine what his impact is unless you’ve broken his film down. But, so far he hasn’t appeared to be liability (you can interpret that anyway you like) but in my opinion it means he’s doing his job.

But your statement and bravado about the coaches is comical.
 

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I heard Jerry talking him up on the Fan, even mentioned a Guard they could have taken that would've started for years but went on about how great Mazi is. I'm thinking he is talking HIMSELF into believing it.
I think they liked Bergeron who is starting at LG for the Falcons. I find it interesting Mazi is getting credit for the improvement in run defense. I really think Mazi is a work in progress, and the vets like Big Hank n Osa should get their flowers for 2 games.
 

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I think they liked Bergeron who is starting at LG for the Falcons. I find it interesting Mazi is getting credit for the improvement in run defense. I really think Mazi is a work in progress, and the vets like Big Hank n Osa should get their flowers for 2 games.
Yeah that was the guy he mentioned. Bergeron.
 

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I think for some positions "contribution" is a relative term. It's difficult to quantify. DT is one of those position, IMO.
When a DT is engaged in a stalemate against an offensive lineman, is the DT struggling to make a play or is he making a play by simply occupying space with his bulky body?
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Is stalemate what we want out of any lineman, on defense or offense?
Kinda funny to me. :muttley:
 
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