Thoughts on the Mingo trade!

[blueblood70]

Obviously, a bad trade,

we all know it,

but please stop blaming Jerry Jones for this there's no way he's sitting at his desk and going hey I need to go get Mingo... Or maybe it was the shower lol people don't remember there's a reference for that but somebody like mcclay or maybe like Dan Quinn did at the end of last year maybe Mike McCarthy sabotaging our team on purpose by brainwashing Jerry into deals like this because somebody went to him and said we should look into getting this guy to add to the roster maybe for next year start using this year to put him out on the field a little bit but Jerry did not think of this trade on his own yes he approved it and he overpaid he got fleeced we all get it but somebody put him up to it... Some of this blame has to be spread out I'm going McCarthy mcclay and then Jerry in that order but yes Jerry makes the decisions but could even be Steven in there somewhere but somebody brought this to the front office they did not come up with this on their own..IMHO

 

[Robster8989]

Absolute joke of a trade for a WR that’s done nothing. We gave up more for Mingo than we received for Amari Cooper, who’s been traded twice since we traded for him and both teams got more compensation than we did. Shows just how stupid the Joneses are. We’ve thrown away a couple of 4th round picks in just over a year for a couple of busts.

Yeah just a typical Jerry overpay. He thinks he knows better and this organization desperately needs a football professional to reel him in. Many teams added solid contributors at the deadline, mostly for late day 3 picks.
The Lions, for example, add a very good starting DE, for a 5th rounder that will likely be end of the 5th round.
The Bengals added a nice RB for a 7th.
We pay a valuable 4th rounder for Mingo. That 4th will likely be at the top of the round given the direction of our season, maybe even the first pick in the 4th.
Just look at the draft value chart. An early 4th rounder is worth 80-90 points, that's equal to nearly 3 5th rounders.
Now I know we liked him in the draft, and he is controlled on his rookie deal for 2 1/2 years, which is good. I love his size and speed, I just think we overpaid. Our 4th could be in the first 5 of the 4th, and Mingo has showed nothing in a year and a half. Who was Jerry bidding against?
Very similar to the Lance deal. Lance's salary cap number is higher than Derrick Henry's or Tony Pollard's this season, but we couldn't afford them, right? And we have zero control over Lance, he an UFA at seasons end. We gave up a valuable 4th rounder for Lance. You know who was there with what would have been our 4th rounder this season? Braelon Allen. Imagine keeping Pollard and adding Allen in the draft (and saving money as Pollard's number is lower than Lance's). Think we'd be set at RB with Pollard and Allen? Nice move Jerry. Just remember in the 2025 draft when we should have one of the first selections on Day 3 the true cost of Jerry as our GM. Sad.

 

[Typhus]

so, there was no point to get him.

Indeed, this franchise needed to trade away a couple of players for draft capital and do not trade for... just prime ignorance at its best.

 

[exciter]

Again, it is about value. Measurables are a larger consideration in the draft. Once a player has 2 seasons in the NFL I think his performances on the field takes precedence over all the other stuff. Mingo, according to what I am reading runs bad routes and drops the ball a lot. His catch percentage is somewhere around 50%. Sure, some of that is the QB, but the drops have something to do with it as well.

I am not against the trade, or any trade for that matter. My issue is giving up a 4th round pick for a player who so far in the NFL has not proven he can play. Draft picks are more valuable for Dallas than most teams because Dallas does not engage in free agency. The draft is their primary source of talent.

Can’t play?
He had 43 rec as a rookie, playing with probably the worst starting QB in the league. For perspective Tolbert had 2.
There’s a question piece from the day before the the trade where team staff writers asked Adam Thielen about him… he raved about the kids work ethic and talent and seemed to believe it was only a matter of time before he put everything together and took off.
The team training camp articles from last season were glowing.
Again, even if he never progresses much past screens, wheel routes and RB carries he still has as much or more value than any 4th round receiver next season which is where I’d guess they start looking at the position unless someone fell hard!

 

[raven55]

this whole thing reminds of the wizard of oz when the straw man would say (if i only had a brain) that says it all for the al davis wannabe's

 

[Chasing6]

We could've gotten Mike Williams for a 5th.

Mike Williams is a FA next year.

This trade was not really for 2024. This season is done and over with.

 

[Mr_437]

Can’t play?
He had 43 rec as a rookie, playing with probably the worst starting QB in the league. For perspective Tolbert had 2.
There’s a question piece from the day before the the trade where team staff writers asked Adam Thielen about him… he raved about the kids work ethic and talent and seemed to believe it was only a matter of time before he put everything together and took off.
The team training camp articles from last season were glowing.
Again, even if he never progresses much past screens, wheel routes and RB carries he still has as much or more value than any 4th round receiver next season which is where I’d guess they start looking at the position unless someone fell hard!

Teams got proven good WRs for less than Mingo. He's a WR4, at best, when Cooks gets back...that's not 4th round value in any draft.

 

[Chasing6]

Teams got proven good WRs for less than Mingo. He's a WR4, at best, when Cooks gets back...that's not 4th round value in any draft.

Less? Did you look at their salaries? Their age? Or if they were going to be a FA next year?

I think we gave up too much draft capitol, however this trade was definitely not about this year.

This move was more like a head start to FA.

 

[Mr_437]

My thoughts are that our senile old owner paid more for a bust WR with zero TD catches, than the Lions did for a legit established former pro bowl pass rusher.

SURE the guy "has traits". So does EVERY guy drafted in the 2nd round of the NFL Draft. But he's a bust. You don't trade a a 4th rd pick for a bust.... u swap a 6th rounder for a 7th rounder for a bust "with traits".

It's not like he was even some SUPER regarded prospect even coming out of college.

As usual...we made the worst trade this year.

P.S. que the dummies who will say "well he won't be any worse than (insert past 4th rounders we've taken that didn't work out....as if that's justification for throwing away a valuable 4th rd pick)

Quality post right here!
Jerry traded away to 4th rounders for nothing 2 years in a row, last draft they missed out on a RB...wonder what they'll miss out on next draft.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

This isn't a now move, but more towards the future. Mingo is very raw, but does possess elite athletic traits. He could potentially become that X receiver we lack. By trading for him, doesn't exclude the team from drafting another high receiver this year. Probably overpaid a little, but they are banking on his upside. I really liked him in the draft 2 years ago, has some Dez Bryant qualities, but he is more in the Jalen Tolbert level right now and won't make a big, immediate impact.

We overpaid just a tad but I like the WR and he's young and cheap.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Mike Williams is a FA next year.

This trade was not really for 2024. This season is done and over with.

That's fair, but he's going to need more than 12 catches a season lol.

 

[Chasing6]

My thoughts are that our senile old owner paid more for a bust WR with zero TD catches, than the Lions did for a legit established former pro bowl pass rusher.

SURE the guy "has traits". So does EVERY guy drafted in the 2nd round of the NFL Draft. But he's a bust. You don't trade a a 4th rd pick for a bust.... u swap a 6th rounder for a 7th rounder for a bust "with traits".

It's not like he was even some SUPER regarded prospect even coming out of college.

As usual...we made the worst trade this year.

P.S. que the dummies who will say "well he won't be any worse than (insert past 4th rounders we've taken that didn't work out....as if that's justification for throwing away a valuable 4th rd pick)

Well you have to remember Jerry does not have a scout team for NFL players, he is too cheap and not our philosophy to build our team that way,

So he has has to go back to where we had him ranked coming out of college and then he thinks we got a steal for a high 2nd round pick.

Don't you recall the Trance trade?

Both trades had zero to do with their NFL experience/performance and everything to do with where they were drafted and where we had them ranked coming out of the draft.

 

[lostar2009]

Drank too much of the JJ Kool aid there fella

 

[Chasing6]

That's fair, but he's going to need more than 12 catches a season lol.

Well so far Cooks has 9, Brooks has 7 and Flournoy has 2. So he could still come in at week 10 and end up being our number 2 WR.

 

[exciter]

Teams got proven good WRs for less than Mingo. He's a WR4, at best, when Cooks gets back...that's not 4th round value in any draft.

2 1/2 seasons left on his contract and this isn’t the last season there will be football. Trade was for the future… not some aging out vet with a half season on their contract who would do nothing to move the needle this year and move along in FA after the season!

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Very late to the party, but on the surface there is nothing wrong with getting Mingo. He's a young, big, explosive receiver that the Cowboys will have for 2 and a half years VERY cheaply.

The problem obviously is giving up a 4th for him. At most swapping 5th round picks for him would have made more sense.

I am thinking the Cowboys are banking on getting a 3rd round comp pick this upcoming draft anyway that will cancel out not having their own 4th, but still. This is a weird trade for a team that typically values its draft capital.

 

[Chasing6]

Very late to the party, but on the surface there is nothing wrong with getting Mingo. He's a young, big, explosive receiver that the Cowboys will have for 2 and a half years VERY cheaply.

The problem obviously is giving up a 4th for him. At most swapping 5th round picks for him would have made more sense.

I am thinking the Cowboys are banking on getting a 3rd round comp pick this upcoming draft anyway that will cancel out not having their own 4th, but still. This is a weird trade for a team that typically values its draft capital.

Which will end up being a very high 4th.

 

[mrmojo]

What are the odds he even makes the 53 man roster next year? All draft picks are valuable when you have needs everywhere and don't do free agency.

 

[Chasing6]

What are the odds he even makes the 53 man roster next year? All draft picks are valuable when you have needs everywhere and don't do free agency.

100%

 

[Mr_437]

Less? Did you look at their salaries? Their age? Or if they were going to be a FA next year?

I think we gave up too much draft capitol, however this trade was definitely not about this year.

This move was more like a head start to FA.

Other teams got superior players that will help now. Dallas traded a 4 for a WR4. Next year? What if he still sucks. Head start on FA? Lol, that's Jones vacation time. Look, I hope it works out, but it just has the makings to be as fruitless as the Lance trade.