Three Two Six

[jday]

I thought Watt was decent as a LB in terms of coverage and in terms of gaps etc.
You could have Watt who is a better passrusher and Jaylon who is a better run/pass defender.
Still you add uncertainty to the offense which was what you mentioned already.

If Taco's role is not passrusher, then I think it is an overdraft.

Regarding Dlaw, it would certainly be nice if he had a 8-10 sack season.
It would force the Cowboys to weigh the production vs. long term issues with the back regarding a 2nd contract.
With back surgeries, stats indicate 70% return to NFL.
Even if the disc surgery is the lesser variety, he is definitely pushing his luck with 2 surgeries.
That is simply going by the stats.

You really like your stats, don't you? lol

In the 3-2-6, I think the Cowboys are much better off with Lee and Smith, versus the hypothetical scenario of Watt and Smith. Lee is not just the best cover linebacker on the team; he may be one of the best in the league. So for me, it would come down to who is sitting next to Lee. As far as the back surgeries of DLaw are concerned, I cannot project if that will negatively impact him or not. All I can say with any degree of certainty is if it does, his career is likely over. That said, I suspect if there is anything he could have done in this past year to get him ready for this season, I'm convinced he has done it and will be ready for 2017.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Did you read the entire OP? I don't hate the alignment, but I certainly hate why the Cowboys were forced to use it.

I read enough to know I hate the alignment. Qb gets too much time.

 

[waldoputty]

You really like your stats, don't you? lol

In the 3-2-6, I think the Cowboys are much better off with Lee and Smith, versus the hypothetical scenario of Watt and Smith. Lee is not just the best cover linebacker on the team; he may be one of the best in the league. So for me, it would come down to who is sitting next to Lee. As far as the back surgeries of DLaw are concerned, I cannot project if that will negatively impact him or not. All I can say with any degree of certainty is if it does, his career is likely over. That said, I suspect if there is anything he could have done in this past year to get him ready for this season, I'm convinced he has done it and will be ready for 2017.

stats are the only we have on the back issue.

i think jaylon will likely overtake lee as the best cover LB.
i would rather have a better passrusher than a better cover LB.

that is assuming we play a more aggressive brand of 3-2-6 blitzing at least 1 most of the time.
really dont want to wait for rodgers etc. to come after you on his lawn chair.

we agree on one thing, we will get the best version of dlaw he can muster next year.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

I read enough to know I hate the alignment. Qb gets too much time.

Hopefully the additions of Taco, Tapper, Jaylon and Awuzie (and a little health luck with DLaw) will contribute to less time.

 

[jday]

I read enough to know I hate the alignment. Qb gets too much time.

I can certainly understand your hate, but nevertheless, in today's pass-happy NFL, it is a necessary evil...or at least necessary in the sense that if you want to win, chances are at some point your going to have to use it.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I want a ruthless style defense where a qb fears every play cause he thinks it'll be his last, as man who can walk upright. I like simultaneous hits on the qb, once lie at the ankles and one coming from the opposite direction a little higher, but still within legal parameters.

Like the hurt we put on Jim Kelly in the superbowl

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[jday]

stats are the only we have on the back issue.

i think jaylon will likely overtake lee as the best cover LB.
i would rather have a better passrusher than a better cover LB.

that is assuming we play a more aggressive brand of 3-2-6 blitzing at least 1 most of the time.
really dont want to wait for rodgers etc. to come after you on his lawn chair.

we agree on one thing, we will get the best version of dlaw he can muster next year.

Jaylon is an amazing pass rusher. In fact, in this very blog I believe I have seen a fairly long highlight reel of him just rushing the passer and nothing else. So, if you think he may already be the better cover LB, based on what I saw, I'm also very happy with his passrush ability.

It seems anytime a passrush discussion in regards to the Cowboys comes up, Aaron Rodgers name is sure to follow. The problem with constantly using Rodgers to support changes you think need to happen to the Cowboys defense is two-fold: 1. Aaron Rodgers is the exception, not the rule of Quarterbacks the Cowboys will face in 2017. 2. What finally works to generate a passrush against the Packers, won't necessarily work against the Patriots. Defensive coordinators in the weeks leading up to each game, study tape after tape of the opposition to decide what has the best chance to work using the personnel he has at his disposal for that given game. From that, a gameplan is born.

If you were to simply make the blanket claim that the Cowboys need to get better up front, then I think most, including the FO, coaches and players of the Cowboys themselves would agree with you. But, they have to do so at the snail-pace the NFL offers through Free Agency and the Draft...and all things considered, I think they have done their best to do just that in this past offseason. If a better job could have been done, we will know soon enough...at the very latest when nfl.com and espn post their redraft.

 

[waldoputty]

Jaylon is an amazing pass rusher. In fact, in this very blog I believe I have seen a fairly long highlight reel of him just rushing the passer and nothing else. So, if you think he may already be the better cover LB, based on what I saw, I'm also very happy with his passrush ability.

It seems anytime a passrush discussion in regards to the Cowboys comes up, Aaron Rodgers name is sure to follow. The problem with constantly using Rodgers to support changes you think need to happen to the Cowboys defense is two-fold: 1. Aaron Rodgers is the exception, not the rule of Quarterbacks the Cowboys will face in 2017. 2. What finally works to generate a passrush against the Packers, won't necessarily work against the Patriots. Defensive coordinators in the weeks leading up to each game, study tape after tape of the opposition to decide what has the best chance to work using the personnel he has at his disposal for that given game. From that, a gameplan is born.

If you were to simply make the blanket claim that the Cowboys need to get better up front, then I think most, including the FO, coaches and players of the Cowboys themselves would agree with you. But, they have to do so at the snail-pace the NFL offers through Free Agency and the Draft...and all things considered, I think they have done their best to do just that in this past offseason. If a better job could have been done, we will know soon enough...at the very latest when nfl.com and espn post their redraft.

btw, i made an error on the stats.
the stats were for cerical back injuries and apparently dlaw has a lumbar disc injury.
unfortunately, i could not find any stats on that.

 

[Setackin]

I prefer the 6-2-3.

I'm a fan of 2-5-4 myself lol

 

[LocimusPrime]

I'm a fan of 2-5-4 myself lol

 

[waldoputty]

btw, i made an error on the stats.
the stats were for cerical back injuries and apparently dlaw has a lumbar disc injury.
unfortunately, i could not find any stats on that.

oh found the risks - it is 85% recovery back to football instead of 70% recovery back to football - so not as bad as i thought.

 

[jday]

btw, i made an error on the stats.
the stats were for cerical back injuries and apparently dlaw has a lumbar disc injury.
unfortunately, i could not find any stats on that.

Well, I certainly wasn't planning on fact checking you, so thanks for the honesty!!!

...and the heads up that I should probably start fact checking you!

 

[jday]

I want a ruthless style defense where a qb fears every play cause he thinks it'll be his last, as man who can walk upright. I like simultaneous hits on the qb, once lie at the ankles and one coming from the opposite direction a little higher, but still within legal parameters.

Like the hurt we put on Jim Kelly in the superbowl

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I suspect rare is the zoner who doesn't love to see the opposing QB get abused. I, sir, am no exception.

 

[waldoputty]

Well, I certainly wasn't planning on fact checking you, so thanks for the honesty!!!

...and the heads up that I should probably start fact checking you!

well it would be nice if he can get 8-10 sacks this year.
i just dont believe it given 2 back surgeries.

 

[jday]

well it would be nice if he can get 8-10 sacks this year.
i just dont believe it given 2 back surgeries.

That is certainly doable, however, I don't necessarily believe that failing to rack up 8-10 sacks means he did not perform well. Don't get me wrong; I like sacks just as much as the next guy. But it is not the end-all be-all for a defensive lineman's final grade.

And this is particularly the case when you are a member of a defense like Marinelli's, where he likes to use a rotation of lineman to keep them fresh throughout the game. Ideally, the Cowboys will have alot of sacks coming from alot of different players as opposed to just one; if the Cowboys have one effective passrusher, the opposing offense can simply make sure he will always face a double-team and/or chip block from the running back. So, if he has in the 6-8 range, however, several other dl's are contributing like-numbers, then I'd say we will probably be much happier fans as a result, since there is no way for an opposing offense to address receiving pressure from everywhere.

 

[diefree666]

That is certainly doable, however, I don't necessarily believe that failing to rack up 8-10 sacks means he did not perform well. Don't get me wrong; I like sacks just as much as the next guy. But it is not the end-all be-all for a defensive lineman's final grade.

And this is particularly the case when you are a member of a defense like Marinelli's, where he likes to use a rotation of lineman to keep them fresh throughout the game. Ideally, the Cowboys will have alot of sacks coming from alot of different players as opposed to just one; if the Cowboys have one effective passrusher, the opposing offense can simply make sure he will always face a double-team and/or chip block from the running back. So, if he has in the 6-8 range, however, several other dl's are contributing like-numbers, then I'd say we will probably be much happier fans as a result, since there is no way for an opposing offense to address receiving pressure from everywhere.

Deware showed what happens when you only have one pass rusher. Who knows what his career sack numbers would have been if there had been someone there for most of his career to take part of the load.

And not coincidentally the Boys did not win much in the postseason during his time as well. Yet what he did in the 2015 AFC championship game sadly told us what could have been...

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think it's a terrific scheme with the right players.

Woods had 3 sacks last season. Awuzie had 4 sacks last season. Combined with Scandrick, who's an excellent blitzer, the Cowboys have just given themselves more options on where a blitzer can come from.

In addition the top 2 corners drafted and Woods are all solid tacklers.

For those that have posted that Tapper and Taco were not effective in 3-man fronts, the big difference is that they were playing read & react 3-man fronts– And not the "rush the passer and ask questions later" type of front preferred by the DC.

 

[jday]

Deware showed what happens when you only have one pass rusher. Who knows what his career sack numbers would have been if there had been someone there for most of his career to take part of the load.

And not coincidentally the Boys did not win much in the postseason during his time as well. Yet what he did in the 2015 AFC championship game sadly told us what could have been...

That is an example I wish I had thought of...because that's exactly what I'm talking about. Decent sack output from all 4 defensive lineman will trump 1 wardaddy all day, every day.

 

[waldoputty]

That is certainly doable, however, I don't necessarily believe that failing to rack up 8-10 sacks means he did not perform well. Don't get me wrong; I like sacks just as much as the next guy. But it is not the end-all be-all for a defensive lineman's final grade.

And this is particularly the case when you are a member of a defense like Marinelli's, where he likes to use a rotation of lineman to keep them fresh throughout the game. Ideally, the Cowboys will have alot of sacks coming from alot of different players as opposed to just one; if the Cowboys have one effective passrusher, the opposing offense can simply make sure he will always face a double-team and/or chip block from the running back. So, if he has in the 6-8 range, however, several other dl's are contributing like-numbers, then I'd say we will probably be much happier fans as a result, since there is no way for an opposing offense to address receiving pressure from everywhere.

the 8-10 were just thrown there as a milestone.
certainly happy to take that in simple pressure currency.

 

[waldoputty]

Deware showed what happens when you only have one pass rusher. Who knows what his career sack numbers would have been if there had been someone there for most of his career to take part of the load.

And not coincidentally the Boys did not win much in the postseason during his time as well. Yet what he did in the 2015 AFC championship game sadly told us what could have been...

there is no disagreement that you need pressure from more than 1 player.
jaylon and watt could have been 2.
ware was also misused as a DE that essentially ruined his body.
any reasonable coach should have foresaw.
but our coach simply refuses to accomodate...