Time to redo Romo's contract?

[zack]

You don't hand out 100 million dollar contract extensions to guys on the wrong side of thirty without consequences. How many times has Romo restructured that extension? Twice? I don't know if you remember the salary cap hell years or not. I can tell you handing out badly structured contracts to aging players for past performance has hurt this franchise more often than not by compounding the problem. Romo couldn't make it through a quarter season this year. What happens in 2016? Does he have a comeback in him? Maybe he does. Then again considering his age and recent injury history he's quite likely to miss significant time in 2016. What about his skillset in 2016? NFL players have a funny way of hitting a wall without notice. When does Romo hit that wall? That's a multi million dollar question that is yet to be determined. I can say this with complete certainty, Romo is closer to the end of his NFL career than not and Jerry and company better have plans A-Z in place ASAP.



Craig

Yes I remember salary cap hell and I get it. But you can't get away from not paying a QB in this league. I used to get upset when guys that were not that good were making huge money (QB).

If we didn't pay Romo someone else would have. Look at the QBs that have got extensions since Romo. They are making a lot of money. Ever since he signed his deal, he has played very well.

Injuries can happen to any player and you can't use that logic. Obviously he came back too soon and hurt the collarbone again. We paid Dez and he got hurt too. He still isn't healthy and we got people calling for his head. He probably shouldn't be out there either.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

If you go back and read, I said in comparison to the three guys you listed.

I love how you have decided that you set the qualifiers for "market value". Age and success have nothing to do with it, even though they're actually quantifiable. No, in instead you set is by "playing capability" which is so clearly subjective it not even relevant.

If you want to manipulate the argument in blind defense just so you can be right, go for it. I am going to go talk with the adult now.

well shoot...lets sign tyrod taylor to a 20 year! or ryan tannehill! bc playing capability doesnt matter and is subjective. Im sure i can find someone who thinks tyrod is legit!

 

[craig71]

this is mostly misnomer. broken bones arent indicative of someone having an injury problem, esp when the second one was well known to have been possible since it wasnt fully healed.

broken bones are from trauma...its not like he has osteoporosis or something.

He has more problems than a broken clavicle. IMO I think his biggest hurdle going forward will be related to his back. Heck, I wouldn't be shocked to hear that a lot of his footwork problems are back related and not related to "rust".


Craig

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Yes I remember salary cap hell and I get it. But you can't get away from not paying a QB in this league. I used to get upset when guys that were not that good were making huge money (QB).

If we didn't pay Romo someone else would have. Look at the QBs that have got extensions since Romo. They are making a lot of money. Ever since he signed his deal, he has played very well.

Injuries can happen to any player and you can't use that logic. Obviously he came back too soon and hurt the collarbone again. We paid Dez and he got hurt too. He still isn't healthy and we got people calling for his head. He probably shouldn't be out there either.

bingo...demand is high and supply isnt barely half the demand. QB's are going to make bunches of money due to simple supply/demand economics.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

He has more problems than a broken clavicle. IMO I think his biggest hurdle going forward will be related to his back. Heck, I wouldn't be shocked to hear that a lot of his footwork problems are back related and not related to "rust".


Craig

he's always been upfront with the fans/media.

he said his back wasnt bothering him this year, so i trust that. that may technically make him a hair more fragile, but he played with broken bones in his back last year, so its marginal.

 

[texbumthelife]

well shoot...lets sign tyrod taylor to a 20 year! or ryan tannehill! bc playing capability doesnt matter and is subjective. Im sure i can find someone who thinks tyrod is legit!

I didn't say "it didn't matter." I said it is subjective.

Obviously there are many variables, your thoughts on "playing capability" certainly aren't at the top of that list.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

I didn't say "it didn't matter." I said it is subjective.

Obviously there are many variables, your thoughts on "playing capability" certainly aren't at the top of that list.

there are.

and you never pay a player for past performances. you pay them for their future expected performances.

 

[texbumthelife]

This is like arguing with a 10 year old about who would win between Batman and Superman using imagined logic and make believe reasons.

Tony got market value when he signed his contract. His contract isn't even structured in a way he can take a pay cut so it doesn't really matter. It either gets converted to signing bonus (which has already happened) or it gets pushed down the line (which has also already happened).

 

[texbumthelife]

there are.

and you never pay a player for past performances. you pay them for their future expected performances.

Exactly. That's why you don't pay a 35 year old quarterback more than a 25 year old quarterback with very similar capabilities.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Exactly. That's why you don't pay a 35 year old quarterback more than a 25 year old quarterback with very similar capabilities.

wrong.

you pay them similarly if talent is similar, you just make the contract shorter and dont pay them as long.

 

[craig71]

Yes I remember salary cap hell and I get it. But you can't get away from not paying a QB in this league. I used to get upset when guys that were not that good were making huge money (QB).

If we didn't pay Romo someone else would have. Look at the QBs that have got extensions since Romo. They are making a lot of money. Ever since he signed his deal, he has played very well.

Injuries can happen to any player and you can't use that logic. Obviously he came back too soon and hurt the collarbone again. We paid Dez and he got hurt too. He still isn't healthy and we got people calling for his head. He probably shouldn't be out there either.

Dez is under 30.

It's a QB driven league that is for sure. Look at the current rules of the game if you want validation that fans want to see the ball slung around arena league style. I still wouldn't have paid up for Romo, under the terms that they agreed to. I know it would have caused an uproar in the fan base but I would have let him walk before agreeing to that extension.


Craig

 

[craig71]

he's always been upfront with the fans/media.

he said his back wasnt bothering him this year, so i trust that. that may technically make him a hair more fragile, but he played with broken bones in his back last year, so its marginal.

Funny thing about growing up on a ranch, you have a good chance of having a few wrecks along the way. Heck, I have a stack of x-rays around here someplace that are a couple inches thick. I can tell you from personal experience all those bumps, bruises and occasional breaks all add up as you get a little longer in the tooth.

Craig

 

[Derinyar]

Romo is likely here till at least 2017 in some capacity. Monetarily it doesn't make sense to do anything with his contract. Right now you want it to wind down the guaranteed monies so you can cut him if you need to with a lesser penalty.

They paid Romo because when you have a franchise QB you don't let them walk until you think you have another franchise QB. Colts let Manning walk when they got Luck. Packers let Favre walk when they had Rodgers. His contract is reasonable, not great, not terrible. It becomes an anchor if he's not Tony Romo not because it was bad when given but because it became bad as the players ability declined.

 

[Redball Express]

You don't hand out 100 million dollar contract extensions to guys on the wrong side of thirty without consequences. How many times has Romo restructured that extension? Twice? I don't know if you remember the salary cap hell years or not. I can tell you handing out badly structured contracts to aging players for past performance has hurt this franchise more often than not by compounding the problem. Romo couldn't make it through a quarter season this year. What happens in 2016? Does he have a comeback in him? Maybe he does. Then again considering his age and recent injury history he's quite likely to miss significant time in 2016. What about his skillset in 2016? NFL players have a funny way of hitting a wall without notice. When does Romo hit that wall? That's a multi million dollar question that is yet to be determined. I can say this with complete certainty, Romo is closer to the end of his NFL career than not and Jerry and company better have plans A-Z in place ASAP.



Craig

Pretty much this.

I think some people mis-read where I'm going here.

It's not another hate thread about Romo or the team.

We have not hesitated to release or ask other players who were not playing up to their contracts.

Ware comes to mind, as does MBIII, Miles Austin and numerous others.

If we have to draft and pay for the replacement or go after a vet FA to be the heir apparent..

would Romo's deal be the one to tinker with?

If Romo is truthful about helping the team find his replacement..

I take him at his word.

The first place would be to ask him. to re-negotiate his deal because the position requires it.

I'm not asking for a show of hands about whether he hàs earned it or due it.

I'm asking how could we do it and should it be done based on Romo's actual ability to perform to the level of the contract.

So far..what I keep hearing is Romo gives us the best chance to win.

But I really think that has to be deeply re-thought.

If you asked me in 2007..I'd say sure.

And the contract was done in what..2009.?

Things have changed I dare say.

We have had another 6 years to give him his chance..

at what point do we say..

No mas.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

When did the salary cap become an issue?

 

[craig71]

Pretty much this.

I think some people mis-read where I'm going here.

It's not another hate thread about Romo or the team.

We have not hesitated to release or ask other players who were not playing up to their contracts.

Ware comes to mind, as does MBIII, Miles Austin and numerous others.

If we have to draft and pay for the replacement or go after a vet FA to be the heir apparent..

would Romo's deal be the one to tinker with?

If Romo is truthful about helping the team find his replacement..

I take him at his word.

The first place would be to ask him. to re-negotiate his deal because the position requires it.

I'm not asking for a show of hands about whether he hàs earned it or due it.

I'm asking how could we do it and should it be done based on Romo's actual ability to perform to the level of the contract.

So far..what I keep hearing is Romo gives us the best chance to win.

But I really think that has to be deeply re-thought.

If you asked me in 2007..I'd say sure.

And the contract was done in what..2009.?

Things have changed I dare say.

We have had another 6 years to give him his chance..

at what point do we say..

No mas.

His current extension was negotiated in 2013 I believe. I also think that they have already restructured it twice since then as well. Part of the leverage that Romo had over the organization was that his previous agreement blocked the use of the franchise tag IIRC.

Craig

 

[Nightman]

Pretty much this.

I think some people mis-read where I'm going here.

It's not another hate thread about Romo or the team.

We have not hesitated to release or ask other players who were not playing up to their contracts.

Ware comes to mind, as does MBIII, Miles Austin and numerous others.

If we have to draft and pay for the replacement or go after a vet FA to be the heir apparent..

would Romo's deal be the one to tinker with?

If Romo is truthful about helping the team find his replacement..

I take him at his word.

The first place would be to ask him. to re-negotiate his deal because the position requires it.

I'm not asking for a show of hands about whether he hàs earned it or due it.

I'm asking how could we do it and should it be done based on Romo's actual ability to perform to the level of the contract.

So far..what I keep hearing is Romo gives us the best chance to win.

But I really think that has to be deeply re-thought.

If you asked me in 2007..I'd say sure.

And the contract was done in what..2009.?

Things have changed I dare say.

We have had another 6 years to give him his chance..

at what point do we say..

No mas.

We are in the 'team friendly' years right now.

Tony is only due 8.5m next year and he has no more guaranteed money at all.
He is only due 14m in 2017. Then he has two 20m years for 2018-19 but they are only placeholders.

If he gets thru 2017 then he will re-do his deal, until then he is fine.

 

[Nightman]

This is like arguing with a 10 year old about who would win between Batman and Superman using imagined logic and make believe reasons.

Tony got market value when he signed his contract. His contract isn't even structured in a way he can take a pay cut so it doesn't really matter. It either gets converted to signing bonus (which has already happened) or it gets pushed down the line (which has also already happened).

Tony signed a 'real' deal that was well below market. He definitely left money on the table. Even the 55m in guarantees is already over with. He took 17m when others were paying 20m+.

He signed a 4yr/68m extension that covers 2014-17. 2018-19 are place holders at 20m each for cap and agent ego purposes. They aren't real.

 

[Beast_from_East]

We are all in the dumps about recent developments and as much as many hope we go after a QB in the off-season..

most of us know deep-down..

we all know Romo will be here again next year as the starter.

so my next question is..

given the past and the present of Romo not being able to play full seasons without some sort of performance reducing injury..

Is it time to ask for a contract reduction..?

I think as it is.Romo has total control of our cap and without relief I don't see how we can get better. Witten is not far behind.

That contract was an investment in advance for winning games..

that has not happened other than 2014.

We have to prepare for the future.

When Payton Manning left the Colts so the Colts could draft anew..

they did it.

Worked out Ok for both parties.

Is Jones going to repeat as he did with Aikman with letting him play too long and get injuries forcing him out.?

Leaving the team unprepared at the most important position would seal our fate for another 10 years.

I'm curious about what you guys think and how could we do it fairly?

Should it be an incentive deal..?

What?

We cant win a single game without Romo................last time that happened was freaking 2010, half a decade ago.

So I ask you my friend, if a professional sports team was unable to win a single game without your services for half a decade, why in the hell would you be giving money back?

If anything, Romo should be demanding a pay raise since the team is incapable of winning a single game without his services for 5 years.

 

[Redball Express]

Rodgers, higher guaranteed, Brees, higher guaranteed, Ryan, higher guaranteed, Newton, higher guaranteed, Rivers, higher guarantee, Eli, higher guaranteed, Ben, higher guaranteed....

Understood.

But most on that list have either won SBs or are still on the upside of their careers and still have a good shot at getting one.

Romo?

Not so.much.