To all you Roy Williams bashers out there

[UnoDallas]

says the guy that wants to cut scan-man,yet has him in his sig. pfffffffffff......

uh no dude you got the wrong guy

sorry I like Scandrick

pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

oh please show me where I said anything bad about Scandrick ?
please come on dude ?

what you waiting for ???

 

[Texan_Eph89]

He's dropped a ton of passes and has nowhere the amount of yards he is getting paid to get.

7 TDs are good, not great. To make up for the yards, he should have like 15+ TDs...

 

[Sickwitit]

uh no dude you got the wrong guy

sorry I like Scandrick

pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

oh please show me where I said anything bad about Scandrick ?
please come on dude ?

what you waiting for ???

ohhhh thats right he got a sack and almost another one so NOW hes the man,If roy scores 3tds next game will he be your favorite player THIS WEEK to??

 

[Four]

I think more are pissed at what Dallas gave up draft-wise. When you sacrifice multiple players for a single guy, that guy had better produce.

who says any of those draft picks would produce? sure as heck aint history...

 

[Preacha Mane]

you're just latching on to other peoples arguments now because your own failed. You tried to cherry pick a stat to make him look better then he is, then come back with stats don't matter line :laugh2:

If we didn't have Roy we'd still be in the playoffs if we didn't have Austin i doubt we'd even have 6 wins at this point. Every time Roy drops a 3rd down pass the defense has to go out there and make up for his mistake, they've done that a lot this year... 7TDs in garbage time and blow outs hardly comes close to making up for that

it would be easy to make a list of 30 WRs better then Roy and with the kind of money he's getting payed and what we gave up to get him that list should be no longer then 5

Where did i ever say that stats dont matter?? Never! i agreed with the guy on that stats dont tell everything that a play does. meaning how he contributes to helping his team win. and my orginaly stat line was to show that roy isnt playing as bad as guys like you are saying and he is helping this team win. and you say garbage time? we have only lost one game by more than 7 points, so how does that constitute as garbage time. and if roy or anyone for that matter doesnt score a td in the game to take a lead or extend a one theres never a blow out.

and easy to pick out 30Wrs better than roy? let me guess youd have mike wallace, austin collie, heyward-bey above him huh?

ive never roy has played like a hall of famer this season. im simply saying hes doing more than ppl want to credit and you cant give up on the trade after a year

 

[gimmesix]

who says any of those draft picks would produce? sure as heck aint history...

Haven't you heard that Hakeem Nicks has the Giants in the playoffs this year?

Oh, wait ...

 

[UnoDallas]

ohhhh thats right he got a sack and almost another one so NOW hes the man,If roy scores 3tds next game will he be your favorite player THIS WEEK to??

I said for you to show me some proof of me saying anything bad about Scandrick ?

well did you ?????????

never did like the trade for RWS - I knew he was garbage

If roy scores 3tds next game will he be your favorite player THIS WEEK to??

doubtful - Austin been my guy since we got him as UDFA

yea thats right divert the question ?

come on get some real proof ?

 

[Hoofbite]

who says any of those draft picks would produce? sure as heck aint history...

Who says the wouldn't? Plenty of picks go either way but it doesn't change the fact that sacrificing multiple picks usually (nearly always) brings expectations of greater than average performance from the player acquired.

 

[Four]

I take a proven player over a million picks.

Roy is proven, he isn't proven to you folks. Maybe not even to Romo, but he can play.

He could always play.

 

[Hoofbite]

I take a proven player over a million picks.

Roy is proven, he isn't proven to you folks. Maybe not even to Romo, but he can play.

He could always play.

Seriously? At what point would you take the picks? How many picks would it take for you to go with the picks?

 

[Everlastingxxx]

The sky is blue, water is wet and Roy sucks.

 

[Rudy]

I think it says something when the biggest Cowboys homer in America - The Playmaker Michael Irvin - considers Roy a lazy, underachiever. I don't think there's anything veiled here - Roy is on the field for the majority of the offensive snaps, so the touchdowns will come. As far as the clutch plays and big gains, the hallmarks of a number 1 receiver? We're still waiting...

 

[Beast_from_East]

It seems like most are forgetting that Roy has 7 TD's on the season, which is second on the team and ranks tied for 16 in the league. Then theres also the fact that he had a TD last night (heck of a play by Romo), but you guys want to forget about that one and focus on his drops. One of the drops i honestly thought was PI live and have yet to see a replay and the other drop was a simple case of turning his head and trying to run before he caught the ball. Comeon who hasnt had one of those before, haha im sure everyone on here has done it playing back yard football AT LEAST ONCE in our lives and other professionals do it quite a bit themselves.

Everyone wants to complain about all the drops that he has had this year, if you had any common sense and knew football, you would know that at least half if not more were on poorly thrown balls. They were either behind him on a slant route where he had to reach back across his body and try to snag or over thrown like in the Green Bay game (btw he could have just let the ball go and not made an attempt, but he tried catching it and paid the price of cracked ribs). It seems like you didnt notice the ball that was over thrown in the endzone that Austin got his hand on, but wasnt able to come down with or the pass the Crayton dropped last night (although he got his wig split) and he has had a history of dropped balls in the past as well. Speaking of Crayton all of you guys saying we should start him over Roy, do you not remember that earlier in the year PC was a starter and lost his job to Austin, obviously he wasnt producing enough then to remain a starter, so what on earth makes you think you can do it now?

I'll be honest before this year I thought you was going to a great season. Has he? Most would say no and i partially agree, but you cant say he has had a terrible one either. Like i said before when it comes to tds hes tied for 16, which isnt bad at all. Could be better, but im not complaining bc the team is winning games and has a chance to win the east and the way their playing make a deep run in the playoffs. Something just isnt right with him and Romos timing, although i will say it has gotten better as the season has progressed. With that being said just think about how much more it will improve over the next few games and after another offseason together. It seems like most of the Roy Williams bashers out there that want him released asap are forgetting that him and Romo have only had one offseason together and dont think that they can improve their chemistry with more time together.

Heres an interesting link to an article from the Washington Post when it comes to dropped passes thru Dec. 27. Look and see where the name Roy Williams is. You might be surprised as to see whose above and tied with him.http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232

Sorry to throw water on your post here, but the official stat organization the NFL uses has credited Roy Wiliams with 10 ON TARGET DROPS!!!!!

We are not talking about high balls or dirt balls or worm burners, we are talking about "on target" passes that hits the receivers right in the hands and were flat out dropped. THIS LEADS THE NFL!!!!!!

Roy is garbage.

 

[Suave]

Still not a Roy Williams fan.

 

[JohnsKey19]

I can live with the fact that he's not the dynamic #1 WR the compensation($ and picks) would indicate. We just have to accept that. He is what he is at this point of his career, and fortunately for the Cowboys, Miles Austin has emerged as a legitimate #1. However, what this team simply cannot tolerate are the crucial drops by Roy. Those are drive killers and we're not explosive enough to simply overcome that.

Going forward, we're still in good shape at WR. Roy can still be a very good #2 WR and compliment Miles. Crayton is still solid and hopefully Ogletree is as good as everyone hopes. If anything we can look to add some quickness to the WR corps in the draft.

 

[MapleLeaf]

The number of catches and targets isn't necessarily reflective of the coverage (and actually, the more you're targeted usually means the more single coverage you're drawing). Teams are not consistently going one-on-one with Williams, which would allow them to consistently double Austin and Witten. You just don't see that.

That doesn't mean they are not doubling Austin or doubling Witten at times, but they are mixing things up more than they did with Crayton as the starter last season. Williams' presence is having an impact on the coverage.

Now, Williams does need to do a better job of catching the ball or teams will be more willing to risk single coverage against him. But right now, I just don't see an inordinate amount of doubling on Witten and Austin.

...the coverage is typically a good indication of how the DC feels about your capabilities as a threat.

Outside of unique blitzes (zone included) and alignments, how the coverage is set is often towards the more threatening receivers.

The number of catches is a function of your ability to get into a position to make a play on the ball, the quality of the QB's throw and your hands.

The number of targets is a function of the play called, the coverage, in some ways how open you present yourself to the QB and his trust that you will be where he expects you to be and will make a play for the ball.

 

[casmith07]

I think more are pissed at what Dallas gave up draft-wise. When you sacrifice multiple players for a single guy, that guy had better produce.

Understand, but the draft was still a very sound draft even without those picks. The only other player the Cowboys liked in the draft was Hakeem Nicks, and he's had just as many horrendous drops, some even worse like sure touchdowns. People can rue all they want, but he's also on a team that just got housed 41-9 in their own building and are missing the playoffs.

I like the makeup of this team. As long as we keep winning, all of the rest of that stuff shouldn't matter.

 

[ManicDepressiveMan]

It seems like most are forgetting that Roy has 7 TD's on the season, which is second on the team and ranks tied for 16 in the league. Then theres also the fact that he had a TD last night (heck of a play by Romo), but you guys want to forget about that one and focus on his drops. One of the drops i honestly thought was PI live and have yet to see a replay and the other drop was a simple case of turning his head and trying to run before he caught the ball. Comeon who hasnt had one of those before, haha im sure everyone on here has done it playing back yard football AT LEAST ONCE in our lives and other professionals do it quite a bit themselves.

Everyone wants to complain about all the drops that he has had this year, if you had any common sense and knew football, you would know that at least half if not more were on poorly thrown balls. They were either behind him on a slant route where he had to reach back across his body and try to snag or over thrown like in the Green Bay game (btw he could have just let the ball go and not made an attempt, but he tried catching it and paid the price of cracked ribs). It seems like you didnt notice the ball that was over thrown in the endzone that Austin got his hand on, but wasnt able to come down with or the pass the Crayton dropped last night (although he got his wig split) and he has had a history of dropped balls in the past as well. Speaking of Crayton all of you guys saying we should start him over Roy, do you not remember that earlier in the year PC was a starter and lost his job to Austin, obviously he wasnt producing enough then to remain a starter, so what on earth makes you think you can do it now?

I'll be honest before this year I thought you was going to a great season. Has he? Most would say no and i partially agree, but you cant say he has had a terrible one either. Like i said before when it comes to tds hes tied for 16, which isnt bad at all. Could be better, but im not complaining bc the team is winning games and has a chance to win the east and the way their playing make a deep run in the playoffs. Something just isnt right with him and Romos timing, although i will say it has gotten better as the season has progressed. With that being said just think about how much more it will improve over the next few games and after another offseason together. It seems like most of the Roy Williams bashers out there that want him released asap are forgetting that him and Romo have only had one offseason together and dont think that they can improve their chemistry with more time together.

Heres an interesting link to an article from the Washington Post when it comes to dropped passes thru Dec. 27. Look and see where the name Roy Williams is. You might be surprised as to see whose above and tied with him.http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232

Please, Roy has been absolutely wretched they year.

7 TDs can't make up for the fact that he plays scared.

Always looking to see if he's gonna be hit and it leads to drops and rounded off routes.

Hopefully he is released after this season.

 

[casmith07]

Please, Roy has been absolutely wretched they year.

7 TDs can't make up for the fact that he plays scared.

Always looking to see if he's gonna be hit and it leads to drops and rounded off routes.

Hopefully he is released after this season.

You're crazy. Release a guy with that much on the books? I'll pay a guy for his 7TDs with a shot at one or two more and a shot at a few in the post-season before I cut him and pay him to play somewhere else.

Some of you guys are unbelievable.

 

[BrassCowboy]

The names Randy Moss and Andre Johnson stand out. However, what you didn't mention was the other stats associated with those names. Rand Moss has 78 rec 1189 Yds 13 TDs and Andre Johnson has 95 rec 1504 yds 9 TDs. Roy has 48 rec 596 yds 7 TDs. He has failed to live up to the status of a #1 receiver and does not justify what was invested in him.

yeah, good post. the thing is that he is not living up to what we paid him. I do not think he is bad, just do not think he is what we thought he was when he was with the detroit lions and that is underrated. He is what he was.