TO Done In Philly--Ultimate TO Finished in Philly Thread

joseephuss said:
The announcers led me to believe that the Eagles won the game last night.
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The only thing I can figure is the announcers were touting Philly so highly to make the Skins sound better than they really are.
 
Y'all must remember this is the same Philly team that limited LT to only 7 yds rushing in their last home game. So while their D is inconsistent, that effort against SD shows the capability is there. If we allow them to shut down JJ/Barber like that, we're in deep trouble
 
Danny White said:
I agree with you completely on the chemistry angle... I just think they lack the raw material to compete at the top of the league now.
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I disagree. They "Got by" without TO for years. They still have McNabb, Westbrook (one of the most dangerous players in the game), a good recieving TE (LJ Smith), and decent WRs.


They lack the "Superstar" but they still have solid weapons, especially Westbrook.
 
Rack said:
I disagree. They "Got by" without TO for years. They still have McNabb, Westbrook (one of the most dangerous players in the game), a good recieving TE (LJ Smith), and decent WRs.


They lack the "Superstar" but they still have solid weapons, especially Westbrook.
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I agree with you Rack. The whole addition through subtraction works for me on this one. I think TO constintly taking pot shots at everybody served as a huge distraction. Now your going to get Vets singular in purpose and the young guys will follow that example. I'm not saying the Eagles will win the SuperBowl or even make the playoffs. I'm saying this team, possibly for the first time this year, will have one single focus and that can't be a good thing IMO.
 
"Addition through subtraction" has got to be one of the stupidest things that people have ever come up with. It only works if a team can make up for losing that extraordinary talent. How did the Vikings do losing Randy Moss?

The Eagles are a flawed team that is nowhere close to being as good as they were in the past because their management's cheapness squandered their window of opportunity. Without T.O., the opposing team's defense simply has to collapse on Westbrook and the Eagles' offense is stifled. Their defense is mediocre because they let quality linemen go rather than pay them as per usual. It is over for the Eagles.
 
CowboysRule! said:
"Addition through subtraction" has got to be one of the stupidest things that people have ever come up with. It only works if a team can make up for losing that extraordinary talent. How did the Vikings do losing Randy Moss?

The Eagles are a flawed team that is nowhere close to being as good as they were in the past because their management's cheapness squandered their window of opportunity. Without T.O., the opposing team's defense simply has to collapse on Westbrook and the Eagles' offense is stifled. Their defense is mediocre because they let quality linemen go rather than pay them as per usual. It is over for the Eagles.
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They seem to be getting better. I have a somewhat unique idea here. Lets see what happens in Philly minus TO. Lets also see what happens with the Vikes.

Unless, of course, you feel that the "wait and see" approach is also amoung the stupidest ideas mankind has managed to invent as well.

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CowboysRule! said:
"Addition through subtraction" has got to be one of the stupidest things that people have ever come up with. It only works if a team can make up for losing that extraordinary talent. How did the Vikings do losing Randy Moss?

The Eagles are a flawed team that is nowhere close to being as good as they were in the past because their management's cheapness squandered their window of opportunity. Without T.O., the opposing team's defense simply has to collapse on Westbrook and the Eagles' offense is stifled. Their defense is mediocre because they let quality linemen go rather than pay them as per usual. It is over for the Eagles.
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Philly was able to make it to through the playoffs last season without TO. I agree about their defense not looking as dominate and I think that is the biggest disappointment for the eagles.
 
I dunno. I think this is all a result of the Eagles front office dispute with TO. If they would have paid him he probably wouldn't be like this. Lurie isn't exactly known as a generous owner. TO may or may not be a bad guy but a lot of everyone is biting on the media's portrayal that he is one. Methinks all the media outlets will be on board with this move. Tow the company line...
 
SultanOfSix said:
I dunno. I think this is all a result of the Eagles front office dispute with TO. If they would have paid him he probably wouldn't be like this. Lurie isn't exactly known as a generous owner. TO may or may not be a bad guy but a lot of everyone is biting on the media's portrayal that he is one. Methinks all the media outlets will be on board with this move. Tow the company line...
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After having problems with 2 different teams belittling both his QB's I would think TO is the problem not the other way around.
 
SultanOfSix said:
I dunno. I think this is all a result of the Eagles front office dispute with TO. If they would have paid him he probably wouldn't be like this. Lurie isn't exactly known as a generous owner. TO may or may not be a bad guy but a lot of everyone is biting on the media's portrayal that he is one. Methinks all the media outlets will be on board with this move. Tow the company line...
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They did pay him. He is one of the top paid receviers in the league. That was the contract he signed and then complained about it after only 1 season.
 
I don't think it's as simple as having problems with 2 QBs.

Also, everyone and their mother knows that his contract really isn't for being one of the top paid receivers in the league. Most agents and "those in the know" thought he shouldn't have signed the contract, but he did just to be in Philly.

Yeah, he complains a lot, but the media enjoys putting him down too.
 
A few things here (too many to quote specific responses) ..

(a) Those of you who want to blame the Eagles' losses on TO are misinformed. The team has problems across the board, depth problems, problems on the o-line, at cornerback (Shepard), a free safety who has lost a step, special teams woes, an injured QB and time management issues just to name a few.

(b) With or without TO, this team is the 4th best team in the division. People who still fear them need to come to grips with the fact that the 2005 Eagles are not the same team as the 2004 Eagles.

(c) The Eagles' "holier than thou" attitude is what got them here in the first place. They revel in being $15 mil under the cap but chose not to re-sign Burgess or Simon, two big reasons their defensive line is having problems.

All in all, they're done, cooked, and not just for this year, but for the next couple of years. They are the 1998 Cowboys, an 8-8 team coming off an impressive run (albeit without any Superbowl victories), a team whose window as closed and will now live in mediocraty until they can rebuild the team again.
 
SultanOfSix said:
I don't think it's as simple as having problems with 2 QBs.

Also, everyone and their mother knows that his contract really isn't for being one of the top paid receivers in the league. Most agents and "those in the know" thought he shouldn't have signed the contract, but he did just to be in Philly.

Yeah, he complains a lot, but the media enjoys putting him down too.
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Then he should not have signed the deal. Many teams pay out big money to FA and don't get their money worth out of the player but they still have to pay it out. If any player wants a pay as you go contract I'd be all for it but once you sign your name I expect a player to honor that contract.
 
Players' contracts are torn apart for better ones all the time. And it's not like millionaire owners can't afford to pay them.

TO put forth an effort last year when he didn't have to. Maybe he felt that should have showed the organization enough to redo his contract because both him and the organization knew that his contract wasn't really what it was. I'm not a big fan of Lurie either. He's a guy who's shown that he doesn't pay anyone either when push comes to shove, so I don't think he's a saint in all this. He's no JJ.

I'm telling you though, if TO was paid what he wanted, this crap wouldn't be happening. It's just been a slow volcano build up since January and I think this is the main reason, and now it just exploded.
 
SultanOfSix said:
Players' contracts are torn apart for better ones all the time. And it's not like millionaire owners can't afford to pay them.

TO put forth an effort last year when he didn't have to. Maybe he felt that should have showed the organization enough to redo his contract because both him and the organization knew that his contract wasn't really what it was. I'm not a big fan of Lurie either. He's a guy who's shown that he doesn't pay anyone either when push comes to shove, so I don't think he's Mr. Saint.

I'm telling you though, if TO was paid what he wanted, this crap wouldn't be happening. It's just been a slow volcano build up since January and I think this is the main reason, and now it just exploded.
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I'm not a fan of Lurie either but after all the stink TO made about not wanting to go to Balt. And whining about wanting to be with McNabb and then getting his wish and then signing the contract I think he should have honored it and shut his damn mouth. Right now I doubt any team is going to take a chance and pay out big money for this guy, his actions will hurt a team and a heavy investment puts a team at his mercy and no one in their right mind would do that at least without some safety net like a behavioral clause. Sorry I fault TO and TO only on this deal.
 
He's a three time loser in my eyes. I would not invest big capital in him.
 
the only thing this "calvinises" is a lead in the race for last place in the east for philly.

addition-buy-subtraction works for guys like Ross & Hunter not a pro-bowl WR. LOL.
 
Sorry, but I'm not one to blame TO completely, and the Philly organization isn't so angelic that I'm going to say they have no fault in the situation either.

The guy gave it his all in the SB, does so everyday on the football field, and that made me respect him more than I did in the past.

I'm just kind of tired of hearing a one sided, full fledged bashing of a single individual by the powerhouse of the media, i.e. what I call the propaganda machine. When they have an agenda, they really enforce it and don't let up.
 
SultanOfSix said:
Sorry, but I'm not one to blame TO completely, and the Philly organization isn't so angelic that I'm going to say they have no fault in the situation either.

The guy gave it his all in the SB, and does so on the football field, and that made me respect him more than I did in the past.

I'm just kind of tired of hearing a one sided, full fledged bashing of a single individual by the powerhouse of the media, i.e. the propaganda machine. When they have an agenda, they really enforce it and don't let up.
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Well maybe if TO did not continue to open his mouth and give them plenty of ammo this would not be happening but the fact is every time TO pops off it only hurts his cause. I don’t feel sorry for the eagles many of us knew what they were getting when they signed this jerk and sure enough problems are once again finding TO.
 
I agree with SOS here just a little bit. The Eagles have reeped what they've sown this season. As for TO, well, he'll sit the remainder out and come next season, find it difficult to sign a big bonus contract, IMO.

In my eyes, the only real winner here is Ozzie Newsom. Good for him, I say.
 
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