TO due 3.1 Million roster bonus - does he get it?

[LittleBoyBlue]

You have no proof that Witten, Romo, or Barber wont be as effective. Witten had his 2nd best statistical season before MeO came here.

Witten had one GREAT year before TO thats true.

But if Romo was in lineup all year then Witten has 2 consecutive years with TO with well over a 1,000 yard receiving and 90 catches. The year before almost 100 catches.

 

[LarryCanadian]

As I said, I totally understand being called crazy for starting this post, but:

Do TO's TD's, his 1000 yard seasons, etc, offset the lack of not winning one playoff game? Parcells quit on this team, and I think the TO type strategy by Jerry were one of the reasons. Would Romo be a better QB in his development if he was FORCED to go through reads and have plays called for a variety of players instead of 1st read TO or Witten each time?

Yes, TO has statistical success here, the PROBLEM IS, WHO CARES, the TEAM hasn't been "successful". Fox can throw the stat about Romo to TO having most TD's of any QB/WR combo in past 38 games or whatever 1 million times, but they should put an asterisk beside it that says "haven't won a playoff game in that entire period of time.

The guy is 35, and due ANOTHER 3.1 Million, I'm just throwing it out there, that boy it would be a start to changing the mental problems on this team to say, you know what, this way wasn't working, lets try a different direction. What is the risk? Well, so you don't have TO playing for you at 36 and 37. If the guy was 28, well that's one thing. The opportunity cost at 35 isn't the same. Maybe it gives other guys the opportunity to step up and develop, guys that will the nucleus for more years.

I'm not at all saying TO is the entire problem. He also hasn't been the promised child or the player that carried this team on his back, despite decent stats. On a fragile team with poor leadership, pscyhe, and mental toughness, TO can be a problem and I think he is. On the Patriots with their experience, coaching, leadership, and proven success he might not be the same issue (like Moss). Similar to Burress in NY. It all comes down to total team make up and TO is a good fit for attention (good and bad) in terms of marketing this team to the world, but perhaps not the perfect fit for THIS team in terms of building a "winning" team first mentality that is needed to get over the hump.

Listen, I respect this player for not being a thug, not bing a party animal, for training hard, and for his physical talents and abilities. I'm not sure he's a winner though in the Super Bowl calibre sense. It is very likely he gets one or two more years as a chance to prove me wrong though.

LarryCanadian

 

[chinch]

Bingo.

Stat babblers fail to see the forest in the trees.

Our offense would be MUCH more balanced, stable, dominant and steady without TO. Our two TEs and 3RBs can be featured, nevermind RW and a decent bunch of young WRs.

I'm not blaming any losses on TO (i blame our incompetent coaches and GM/owner) and i actually think he has useful insight to the Xs and Os.

But we lost with him for 3 years now. DIdn't win a big game.

I like our chances without him just as much as with him.

It was a good experiment, one with TUNA i endorsed. But it failed and it's over.

if only we had someone with football knowledge as GM.

As I said, I totally understand being called crazy for starting this post, but:

Do TO's TD's, his 1000 yard seasons, etc, offset the lack of not winning one playoff game? Parcells quit on this team, and I think the TO type strategy by Jerry were one of the reasons. Would Romo be a better QB in his development if he was FORCED to go through reads and have plays called for a variety of players instead of 1st read TO or Witten each time?

Yes, TO has statistical success here, the PROBLEM IS, WHO CARES, the TEAM hasn't been "successful". Fox can throw the stat about Romo to TO having most TD's of any QB/WR combo in past 38 games or whatever 1 million times, but they should put an asterisk beside it that says "haven't won a playoff game in that entire period of time.

The guy is 35, and due ANOTHER 3.1 Million, I'm just throwing it out there, that boy it would be a start to changing the mental problems on this team to say, you know what, this way wasn't working, lets try a different direction. What is the risk? Well, so you don't have TO playing for you at 36 and 37. If the guy was 28, well that's one thing. The opportunity cost at 35 isn't the same. Maybe it gives other guys the opportunity to step up and develop, guys that will the nucleus for more years.

I'm not at all saying TO is the entire problem. He also hasn't been the promised child or the player that carried this team on his back, despite decent stats. On a fragile team with poor leadership, pscyhe, and mental toughness, TO can be a problem and I think he is. On the Patriots with their experience, coaching, leadership, and proven success he might not be the same issue (like Moss). Similar to Burress in NY. It all comes down to total team make up and TO is a good fit for attention (good and bad) in terms of marketing this team to the world, but perhaps not the perfect fit for THIS team in terms of building a "winning" team first mentality that is needed to get over the hump.

Listen, I respect this player for not being a thug, not bing a party animal, for training hard, and for his physical talents and abilities. I'm not sure he's a winner though in the Super Bowl calibre sense. It is very likely he gets one or two more years as a chance to prove me wrong though.

LarryCanadian

 

[sacase]

Let's weight this one out.

Pro's
Works hard in practice
Works hard in games
Has a desire to win
Mentors young players to make them better

Cons
Fans perception that he is cancer.


I think he comes back next year.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

But we lost with him for 3 years now. DIdn't win a big game.

I like our chances without him just as much as with him.

You might be on to something. We havent won playoff games without TO and we havent won playoff games with TO.

 

[JordanTaber]

Good post and you are absolutely correct.

I know the TO lovers will hate even saying it... But IMO if you came out and cut TO, cut Pacman, and let Tank go -- and also let go any of the other malcontents and soft players like Carpenter and Courtney Brown -- you could do a world of good for this team.

We need a change in mentality and chemistry more than anything.

And as a bonus, everyone in the sports world would hail us for cutting TO. It would restore a lot of credibility to the people in charge around Valley Ranch.

But like the others said... Fat chance. Or slim chance. Or no chance.

But then you really have no problem with T.O., right?

:laugh2:

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Owens is a better player than Austin, but if it came down to a choice between the two now I'd keep Austin (who is a free agent I believe) over Owens simply because he can help us for years, whereas Owens is almost done. Austin also adds a real speed dimension at WR that our other guys dont have, and he is a very good kick returner.

He fumbles too much. Fumbled 4 times in 8 games returning kicks in 06' and coughed it up again.

Almost more of a heart attack than Crayton returning punts.

 

[dbair1967]

He fumbles too much. Fumbled 4 times in 8 games returning kicks in 06' and coughed it up again.

Almost more of a heart attack than Crayton returning punts.

I honestly cant remember the last time he fumbled.

He is a good kickoff returner.

And Crayton was the teams best punt returner this yr, not that other guy, just fyi.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Yes, and I'd pay it in a heart beat.

He one of the very few players that shoed any heart or that they cared.

Why would you not want him on the team. Forget all the crap about Romo and Witten. It was more BS than anything.

I agree. He was also one of the few who went over to pat Romo on the sidelines during the game yesterday.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

You might be on to something. We havent won playoff games without TO and we havent won playoff games with TO.

ergo, we can't win playoff games regardless

 

[theebs]

Good post and you are absolutely correct.

I know the TO lovers will hate even saying it... But IMO if you came out and cut TO, cut Pacman, and let Tank go -- and also let go any of the other malcontents and soft players like Carpenter and Courtney Brown -- you could do a world of good for this team.

We need a change in mentality and chemistry more than anything.

And as a bonus, everyone in the sports world would hail us for cutting TO. It would restore a lot of credibility to the people in charge around Valley Ranch.

But like the others said... Fat chance. Or slim chance. Or no chance.

bingo bango bongo...

WIth our luck, jerry in the 11th hour fire the whole staff and bring in a staff that makes no sense except to run a west coast offense that is their to get owens his numbers.

Cutting owens would do a world of good. Tank is gone and no way pacman makes it to march or april.

Those moves would be so vital and gratiftying but they will never happen.

 

[goshan]

Yes, and I'd pay it in a heart beat.

He one of the very few players that shoed any heart or that they cared.

Why would you not want him on the team. Forget all the crap about Romo and Witten. It was more BS than anything.

How exactly did he show he cared?

Saying the right thing in press conferences doesn't mean much.

1. Did he always run his routes until the very end?
2. Did he try to protect his QB from a pick if the ball was underthrown?
3. Did he ever say 'my bad, I dropped too many balls'?
4. Was he a leader on this team who tried to pull the players and coaches together?

 

[Arch Stanton]

Good post and you are absolutely correct.

I know the TO lovers will hate even saying it... But IMO if you came out and cut TO, cut Pacman, and let Tank go -- and also let go any of the other malcontents and soft players like Carpenter and Courtney Brown -- you could do a world of good for this team.

We need a change in mentality and chemistry more than anything.

And as a bonus, everyone in the sports world would hail us for cutting TO. It would restore a lot of credibility to the people in charge around Valley Ranch.

But like the others said... Fat chance. Or slim chance. Or no chance.

I can only hope.

 

[BruceWayne]

You have no proof that Witten, Romo, or Barber wont be as effective. Witten had his 2nd best statistical season before MeO came here.

When did he have his best year?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Well if you take TOs TD and 1,000 yard seasons away do you think the Cowboys even get close to the playoffs the last two seasons?

Frankly I don't think they'd have even sniffed the playoffs without his playmaking the last two years and he, along with Witten and Ware and Romo, are some of the very few reasons that Dallas was even in contention for the playoffs this year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I keep TO

put TO in a West Coast type of offense, and he's gonna be top 3 again

I let Garrett leave to Detroit before I axe TO

 

[cowboyz]

i'd keep TO one more year for one reason

to teach roy williams how much work it takes to be a great WR in the nfl

just like TO saw jerry rice. i want roy williams to watch TO.

TO can't tell the rest of the team to play/work harder, but he definately controls the WRs.

 

[5Countem5]

I'm not sure he's a winner though in the Super Bowl calibre sense.

LarryCanadian

How can you be sure of any player that hasn't won a Super Bowl yet. Did you say that about Peyton in his 5th season? Did you say it it about Troy in his second? How about in Elway's 10th?

Seems you would want to be real sure about something like this before you cut a player of this caliber.

 

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

i'd keep TO one more year for one reason

to teach roy williams how much work it takes to be a great WR in the nfl

just like TO saw jerry rice. i want roy williams to watch TO.

TO can't tell the rest of the team to play/work harder, but he definately controls the WRs.

Just like Irvin. Thats why i find it funny people think Irvin was the Cowboys leader. He was the leader of the recievers and showed leadership to the rest of the team by working hard. Same exact thing TO does. People act like Irvin was Ray Lewis or something.

 

[cowboyz]

Just like Irvin. Thats why i find it funny people think Irvin was the Cowboys leader. He was the leader of the recievers and showed leadership to the rest of the team by working hard. Same exact thing TO does. People act like Irvin was Ray Lewis or something.

eh, i think irvin was ray lewis for dallas

TO is not irvin, he has no way with words. he's just a hard worker that should lead by example like ware. but instead tries to be a vocal leader because he's narcissistic.