TO due 3.1 Million roster bonus - does he get it?

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dadymat;2538375 said:
so 9 years of sideline antics, calling out coaches and teammates, fighting players, saying things to media then denying he said it, dressing down coaches on TV during and after games, spitting in opponents faces, constant complaining of not getting enough plays, dropping balls and giving up on routes is all perception huh....?

This is the tactic the T.O. Police use called "piling." Basically, since you know you have absolutely nothing, you take every media account of "antics," some that didn't even happen, some that didn't happen anything like what they said they did, and some that were taken completely out of context, and list them, hoping that people will either be too overwhelmed to call you on your idiocy or that they'll look like a fool for "having an explanation for everything," even though the "everything" in this case is a load of BS.

Sorry, but I'm going to call you on it.

"calling out coaches and teammates,"

The vast majority of these "calling outs" are fabrication and contextual manipulation. Owens could say "we had too many penalties" and people will say, "He was throwing those who committed the penalties under the bus!!!111"

The rest either involved his public feud with Donovan McNabb, or his short feud with Steve Mariucci which stemmed from the latter not having his back after he celebrated on the star.


"fighting players,"

When was this? The only fight that was ever confirmed that Owens was involved in was a brief skirmish with a FORMER player and "team ambassador" (Hugh Douglas). And get this: DOUGLAS STARTED THE FIGHT. Douglas himself admits this. It was Douglas's fault. Owens was just defending himself.

And, newsflash, genius: Players get in fights ALL THE TIME. It's a locker room with 53 men. Does that ring any sort of bell for you?

"saying things to media then denying he said it"

Are you just trying to get a rise out of people, or are you trying to fill up space?

Are you referring to the Ed Werder report, where Owens NEVER SAID ANY OF THOSE THINGS TO THE MEDIA? Are you? Please tell me you are.

He's denying ever having said things that Ed Werder claims he THINKS, according to "an anonymous source who speaks regularly with players of the team" (i.e., Werder cited himself for that particular part).

That's probably because they're BS. The article never said Owens said them to the MEDIA (just shows how much you're paying attention...gee, what a qualified Owens expert you are), it claims he says/thinks these things behind closed doors. We have no way of knowing whether he thinks or says these things behind closed doors or not. He says he didn't. I'll take him at his word.

"dressing down coaches on TV during and after games"

There is absolutely no evidence of that ever having happened. Just because he's shouting on the sidelines at a coach does NOT mean he's being disrespectful. Hell, he was shouting at his RECEIVERS COACH after the Steelers game, venting frustration. Do you honestly believe he's trying to disrespect SHERMAN...after Tony Romo throws the ball at Jason Witten and Witten never turns around?

Sherman is like a father figure for Owens and the rest of the receivers. Owens even made a point of talking about how strong their relationship is after the game.

Maybe if you actually knew what Owens was saying on the sidelines, you could be informed on the subject...only you haven't the faintest idea. You're just imaging things in your head because you're brainwashed.

"spitting in opponents faces"

-Ah, the alleged DeAngelo Hall incident. The incident where Owens accidentally spat in his face while they were jawing back and forth. Then DeAngelo Hall, like the idiotic loser he is, took it and ran with it.

I'm surprised you even remembered this. Most people have forgotten it (because it never happened).

You think if Owens had intentionally spat in Hall's face that it wouldn't have been caught on one of the 80 "T.O. cameras?"


"constant complaining of not getting enough plays,"

There is no proof of Owens ever having actually complained of anything pertaining to getting the ball. Those "complaints" in the media are RESPONSES to QUESTIONS as to whether or not he was satisfied with the number of passes thrown his way/his involvement in the offense. He doesn't just storm into the room and offer these things up. In other words, he's not actually complaining. He's just answering a question.

Then sheep like you read/hear these things taken completely out of context (i.e. with the question he was answering being conspicuously absent) and get the exact interpretation the agenda-driven writer wants you to arrive at.

"dropping balls and giving up on routes is all perception huh."

Every receiver drops balls, every receiver gives up on some routes.


do you remember him calling Garcia gay?
do you remember him saying Philly would be better with Favre?
do you remember screaming at the WR coach on the sideline (here and in SF)?
do you remember him taking shots at the Philly front office for not stopping the game and honoring his 100th touchdown catch?,
do you remember him being traded to Ravens and refusing to report to the team?
Oh goodie, more piling with BS.

"do you remember him calling Garcia gay?"

No, I remember him answering a question posed by a Playboy interviewer implying that he was.

Yeah, like Owens was the first person to suspect Garcia was gay. The Playboy interviewer just came up with that out of nowhere. :rolleyes:


"do you remember him saying Philly would be better with Favre?"

Yes. I also remember the reason he said this was because Michael Irvin (everybody here's hero) said it first. Owens was then ASKED what he thought of it (oh, what do you know, another situation where he was only responding to a QUESTION rather than coming up with this stuff on his own) and he agreed, thanks in part to his soured relationship with McNabb and frustration over the latter's play.

As Matt Hasselbeck pointed out, though, if he'd said "no," they probably would've spun it as a slap in the face to Brett Favre, anyway.


"do you remember screaming at the WR coach on the sideline (here and in SF)?"

Nope. Never saw him screaming at a WR coach on the sideline in SF. I did see him screaming at Greg Knapp on the sidelines once after the latter ran the ball on 4th and 2 with 10 in the box when the team was down 28-0 against the Vikings in 2003.

Of course, being a 49ers fan, I also remember Jerry Rice screaming "Tell him to throw a ***** SPIRAL!!! A ***** SPIRAL!!!" at Steve Mariucci after the 49ers scored a TD to go up 10-3 against the Cowboys in 2000. Check this out:

http://media.putfile.com/Double-Standard-Depicted-Beautifully


I also remember Steve Young screaming at Marc Trestman and George Seifert after he was pulled during the Eagles game in 1994. Young was later quoted as saying that it's a good thing Trestman was there to restrain him, because he was literally trying to get to Seifert to punch him in the face.


"do you remember him taking shots at the Philly front office for not stopping the game and honoring his 100th touchdown catch?"

Yes. Is there a problem with this?


"do you remember him being traded to Ravens and refusing to report to the team?"

I remember him protesting the trade. He was right to. The arbitrator saw it the same way. That's why the Eagles/Ravens/49ers worked out an agreement before they came to a ruling...because they knew the arbitrator was just going to grant T.O. free agency.



i mean do you remember anything or do you just assume it was all a bad dream and you woke up and we are all still sleeping?
You might as well stay asleep because you're nothing more than a zombie who doesn't see anything but what agenda-driven individuals want you to see. You would have been a **** if you lived in Germany during the 1940's.

before he came here to Dallas EVERY ONE hated the guy and said the same things about him that some are still saying ....now all of a sudden hes been wrongly accused......unbelievable .........the guy is a selfish jerk only concerned with padding his stats and looking good on TV........
You have no way of knowing the last statement...it's all a guess on your part.

The some who are still saying these things are the ones who were brainwashed from what happened before and buy into whatever outrageously sensationalized (or just flat out false) things members of the mass media can conjure.

and if you think the routine he does on the sideline is just showing heart and not a selfish me,me,me, tirade you are mistaken........just because the likes of Ed Werder exagerate some of the info they get......dont forget in the words of your beloved T.O. ........"if it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, then it must be a rat"
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Ah, I see..."if you think blah blah blah, you are mistaken." Why is this? Why are people mistaken? Because when the hundreds of other players who do the same thing do it, they are leaders, but when Owens does it, it just isn't the same?

Are you reading his lips on the sidelines? Or did Ed Werder and his anonymous sources tell you what he was saying?
 

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montgod;2538531 said:
Ahh... the real reason why he was so diplomatic after the game.

3.1 million reasons why. It's funny how when the season is over, reality sets in and TO realizes that the only team that would take him would be the Cowboys and that he needs to learn how to say less and be a team member. Just like Pacman, this is his last chance to collect a check and be on an NFL team.

I hope Jerry cuts him before no matter how bad our wrs corps are.

See. Even when he does all the right things, people just try to reinterpret his motives.

He can't win.

He may as well have raped or killed someone, because apparently he is unredeemable.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2538546 said:
Even Steve Dennis said today on 103.3 that he thinks TO is the cause of the gradual decline in team chemistry he's witnessed over the last year plus. Said he thinks it's time for TO to go.

And he's always been a TO defender up to now. Galloway has always kidded him about it.

Steve Dennis has been bashing T.O. for weeks.

I don't see what T.O. has to do with any possible decline in "chemistry." Owens and Witten were two of maybe three guys who showed any sort of spark in the game.

Romo, Owens, and Witten all look fine with each other, though Romo's play has fallen drastically.

On the other hand, the defense is a total mess, with guys pointing fingers and blowing routine plays...arguing constantly on the sidelines. Of course, the defense and offense have very little contact with each other in a football locker room...but don't let that sway your view that Owens has single-handedly destroyed the Cowboys' chemistry. I'm sure you won't let a little thing like that get in your way.
 

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do you peope see who jordan really is? he is just a T.O. fan not a boys fan. look he's back at 3:30 in the morning cause he's just gotta write a book defending Owens.
 

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Rampage;2539537 said:
do you peope see who jordan really is? he is just a T.O. fan not a boys fan. look he's back at 3:30 in the morning cause he's just gotta write a book defending Owens.

Rampage and Jordan...back and forth...
 

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Sure would love to know what Wade was alluding to in today's conference when he said there was information about the TO-Witten blowup that we all didn't know yet.

I'm torn on TO. IMO, he hasn't done enough in front of any cameras to warrant be released, and it's hard to gauge what's going on behind the scenes. I'm definitely for letting Tank, Pac, Carpenter and Courtney Brown walk, and based off of the info available to the coaching staff, I'd be fine with letting TO walk if warranted.

I don't think this teams' issue were with chemistry, though. I think it was mostly scheme related, with a hat tip to bad special teams preparation and a hole in the roster at backup QB.
 

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Rampage;2539537 said:
do you peope see who jordan really is? he is just a T.O. fan not a boys fan. look he's back at 3:30 in the morning cause he's just gotta write a book defending Owens.

Hey. Someone has to. If it weren't for us, the small contingent that get what he brings to the table, you would think we have played against him for the time he has worn the star. Some of you treat him as if he were an opposing player while he simply goes out and absorbs double teams and does his job in this ridiculously simplistic offense. Even still, he again topped the league this year as a WR.

Some people won't realize what they had til it's gone. Such is life...
 

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JordanTaber;2539528 said:
See. Even when he does all the right things, people just try to reinterpret his motives.

He can't win.

He may as well have raped or killed someone, because apparently he is unredeemable.

It's not reinterpretting anything.

For most of the year, he has cried about "me"... and not getting the ball. And he has done this after wins!!!

It's obvious what effect he has had on the club and he is old enough to discard at this point and move on.

You are right... he can't win and he has proven that everywhere he has gone. Every team he has been on never got to a point where they won the big game so what's the point in having him?

Move on. Help Romo in being a better qb instead of appeasing this over payed crybaby.
 
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theebs;2538892 said:
Steve dennis loves owens.

Steve dennis works with laufenberg everyday.

Laufenberg talks to garrett all the time.

Do the math. Brad sham who works with laufenberg everyweek was caught saying how bad of a guy owens is for this team when he thought he was off the air larry brown agreed.

Sham gets that from laufenberg-garrett who all talk alot. So do the math. Steve Dennis knows that behind the scenes the guy is everything that is anti-team.

It can not happen soon enough. Someone needs to grow a pair of brass ones and clean house soon to make a statement. And the players that whine about him leaving need to be told tough, get over it.

And you are going to replace him with who again?

Roy Williams "I can't run route that Asante can't jump" Williams?

Miles " Waiting to Fumble" Austin

Sam "High Ankle Sprain" Hurd

Isiah "Still being a project" Stanback

Patrick "No Separation" Crayton

Get over your agenda and realize without him this offense would blow even more than it already does with Garrett at the helm.
 

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The Boys better give him the money, I don't see but a few players on this team that show any fire, he is one of them.
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;2539639 said:
And you are going to replace him with who again?

Roy Williams "I can't run route that Asante can't jump" Williams?

Miles " Waiting to Fumble" Austin

Sam "High Ankle Sprain" Hurd

Isiah "Still being a project" Stanback

Patrick "No Separation" Crayton

Get over your agenda and realize without him this offense would blow even more than it already does with Garrett at the helm.
Or Terrell "I drop passes,won't put my pads down to get an extra yard for the first down,go on national TV and blame his struggles pretty much solely on his OC, who he calls just ,"Garrett", Iove me some me" Owens
 

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Time to put the Turd in the toilet..... Cut the Cancer. I will not go as far as Chris Carter and say he needs a bullet but he definatly needs to go.
 

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montgod;2539638 said:
It's not reinterpretting anything.

Yes it is.


"Ahh... the real reason why he was so diplomatic after the game.

3.1 million reasons why. It's funny how when the season is over, reality sets in and TO realizes that the only team that would take him would be the Cowboys and that he needs to learn how to say less and be a team member."

That's reinterpreting his motives for saying all the right things. It couldn't be because he's just trying to be a good teammate. It must be because he wants his money.

T.O. could donate his entire paycheck to tsunami relief somewhere and people would say he's just doing it so he can fix his image and get in the Hall of Fame.

For most of the year, he has cried about "me"... and not getting the ball. And he has done this after wins!!!

MOST of the year? Huh?

I recall 3 weeks out of the 17 in which there were people overreacting to some sort of alleged problem with something in the media.

One of those was the Ed Werder BS that didn't even contain a single Owens quote.

The other two were after the first loss against the Commanders and then after the second Commanders game.

In the first one, he was asked if he was satisfied with the number of balls thrown his way. He responded with, "I'm a competitor, so I'm gonna have to say no."

In the second one, he was asked by Deion Sanders why his production had dropped.

In neither case was he complaining. He was answering questions.


It's obvious what effect he has had on the club and he is old enough to discard at this point and move on.

It's obvious HOW?

The only thing obvious to me is that the offense has been a lot better since he arrived in Dallas.

You are right... he can't win and he has proven that everywhere he has gone. Every team he has been on never got to a point where they won the big game so what's the point in having him?

You could say that about half the players in the Hall of Fame. There isn't a single player on the Dallas Cowboys right now who has won a Super Bowl ring. So what's the point of having them?

Move on. Help Romo in being a better qb instead of appeasing this over payed crybaby.

The way to appease Owens is to get back to winning.
 

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Rampage;2539537 said:
do you peope see who jordan really is? he is just a T.O. fan not a boys fan. look he's back at 3:30 in the morning cause he's just gotta write a book defending Owens.

I guess yours is the only opinion that matters...
 

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ctrous25;2539679 said:
Or Terrell "I drop passes,won't put my pads down to get an extra yard for the first down,go on national TV and blame his struggles pretty much solely on his OC, who he calls just ,"Garrett", Iove me some me" Owens
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5Countem5;2541583 said:
I guess yours is the only opinion that matters...
see here's another one. but this one is a longtime fan who I can't believe would side with a clown who has disgraced the star and Dallas Cowboys franchis with 2 different teams and is now tearing this team apart just like he did the last 2 he played for.
 

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JordanTaber;2539532 said:
Steve Dennis has been bashing T.O. for weeks.
No he hasn't.

And everyone knows you have zero credibility where TO is concerned.

Apparently not just here, but all over the internet.

You really need to stop getting all butt hurt when someone doesn't love your hero the same way you do.
 

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JordanTaber;2539519 said:
This is the tactic the T.O. Police use called "piling." Basically, since you know you have absolutely nothing, you take every media account of "antics," some that didn't even happen, some that didn't happen anything like what they said they did, and some that were taken completely out of context, and list them, hoping that people will either be too overwhelmed to call you on your idiocy or that they'll look like a fool for "having an explanation for everything," even though the "everything" in this case is a load of BS.

Sorry, but I'm going to call you on it.

"calling out coaches and teammates,"

The vast majority of these "calling outs" are fabrication and contextual manipulation. Owens could say "we had too many penalties" and people will say, "He was throwing those who committed the penalties under the bus!!!111"

The rest either involved his public feud with Donovan McNabb, or his short feud with Steve Mariucci which stemmed from the latter not having his back after he celebrated on the star.


Are you reading his lips on the sidelines? Or did Ed Werder and his anonymous sources tell you what he was saying?
Jordan..listen...I am a huge T.O. fan from the door. I loved him in Philly and when nutz when he was brought here. I want him to be on the team too. But remember this is a team, and if this is becoming such an issue with him that he is dividing the locker room then it might be time to part ways. You nor I know what goes on behind closed doors.."but remember eldos quote "if it smells like a rat." everybody cant be wrong. Let it play out and stop playing yourself out. Youre not judge wapner or drew rosenhaus (or are you). We are dallas cowboys fans not the dallas T.O.s and as much as I want him here I want the team to succeed.
 

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Is anyone else missing the irony that TO is at least dividing a internet message board along polar extremes?
Does that give any of you a clue about the affect he may have on a locker room?
 

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YoMick;2536469 said:
Oh... oh... oh... can I answer?


PRO's:
  • w/ TO = double digit TD EVERY season with the Boys
  • w/ TO = over 1000 yards EVERY season with the Boys
  • w/ TO = 70-80 catches EVERY season with the Boys
CON's
  • w/o Witten not as effective
  • w/o Barber not as effective
  • w/o Romo not as effective
If some would only think before their agenda's and blind hatred.
(not targeted at OP... I think he is asking a genuine question)

:hammer:
 
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