TO: "Jerry, you ran for the woods"

[DallasEast]

iJordanTaber LIVES!

 

[Rampage]

iJordanTaber LIVES!

:laugh2:

 

[Dodger12]

Not trying to win an argument about Witten. I love witten. I was simply saying Werder knew what he was doing by pitting owens against witten.
Werder couldnt get what he wanted from TO so he went that route. Owens was avoiding controversial questions from werder (what we wanted him to do), werder got frustrated and made his next move, and it worked. We know it worked because when TO was announced it was BOOOOO BOOOOO at a home game on sunday night.

I don't think you know what you're trying to say because you didn't mention Werder before. I'm just not into the excuse making for that jerk. If it was just Werder, I can understand that; some players have a problem with some reporters but with TO, it's everyone's fault, from his QB to his coaches and now his owner.

 

[thechosen1n2]

I don't think you know what you're trying to say because you didn't mention Werder before. I'm just not into the excuse making for that jerk. If it was just Werder, I can understand that; some players have a problem with some reporters but with TO, it's everyone's fault, from his QB to his coaches and now his owner.

I dont think you know what you are talking about...I did mention werder before. Read through the post. I agree TO has had problems in the past. I agree that TO was frustrated with his production and the teams production in the middle of the season...just as us fans were. Werder could new he was frustrated, asked questions and TO would say "ask the coaches", then it turned to "NO COMMENT"(which obviously frustrated werder). He could not get what he usually got from TO(a line to twist) and all of a sudden he breaks this story. In this situation I personally feel that TOs past came back to haunt him, AND I believe he made his bed and he is now laying in it, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE IS WRONG EVERYTIME. Keep in mind a few weeks before people were praising him for his hustle, his blocking, his help of the young receivers.

 

[Hostile]

lol

Hardly comparable...c'mon. Jets kept a lesser receiver and got rid of keyshawn because they couldnt get along. John Gruden and Johnson could not get along, he wanted out. They won, Johnson stayed. The next year Gruden suspended him. That HOS, is pretty similar.

And Hostile you are backtracking. You Originally said that no non-team player will win a superbowl. Now the defense won that superbowl, and they did, but #19 was on the team. Boldon, could have easily won one last year, if Wiesenhunt didnt go bob stoops in the first half, and thrown the ball to fitzgerald. You just cant make blanket statements like the one you made.

The Jets got rid of Keyshawn because they were offered 2 first round picks and they were rebuilding. Or do you forget that the Head Coach of the Jets at the time was Parcells and Keyshawn is a Parcells guy or FOB (friend of Bill).

I never said no non team player has won a Super Bowl. I said TO never will. I am actually shocked his team ever made it to one.

Nice try on splitting facts, but it won't work.

 

[Rampage]

The Jets got rid of Keyshawn because they were offered 2 first round picks and they were rebuilding. Or do you forget that the Head Coach of the Jets at the time was Parcells and Keyshawn is a Parcells guy or FOB (friend of Bill).

I never said no non team player has won a Super Bowl. I said TO never will. I am actually shocked his team ever made it to one.

Nice try on splitting facts, but it won't work.

his team made it there without him

 

[CoCo]

I know this is a mostly "bash TO" thread but I feel sorry for the guy.

The guy has some childhood scars that influence his adult life. After seeing his interaction with his dad this past weekend I believe it. Right or wrong, whoevers fault it is, is immaterial. The wound is there and it influences his behavior IMO.

He continues to cling to a quality that he sees as admirable. "Speaking his mind..." he calls it. I'll call it honesty. His family reinforces it. Honesty for honesty sake is not admirable. It must be used with appropriate discretion. He just makes that same mistake over and over and still points to it as a virtue. The way he applies it, it is not. I wish he could understand that. Or maybe its his wounding that precludes it.

TO has many redeeming qualities as a person I think and he certainly has been a great NFL talent. But he carries the wounds of rejection from his childhood. Ironically, its somehow those old wounds that recreate rejection in his life over and over. My gosh its so sad.

Its the same sadness I feel for Michael Jackson.

 

[tyke1doe]

Good post, as always, Coco.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I know this is a mostly "bash TO" thread but I feel sorry for the guy.

The guy has some childhood scars that influence his adult life. After seeing his interaction with his dad this past weekend I believe it. Right or wrong, whoevers fault it is, is immaterial. The wound is there and it influences his behavior IMO.

He continues to cling to a quality that he sees as admirable. "Speaking his mind..." he calls it. I'll call it honesty. His family reinforces it. Honesty for honesty sake is not admirable. It must be used with appropriate discretion. He just makes that same mistake over and over and still points to it as a virtue. The way he applies it, it is not. I wish he could understand that. Or maybe its his wounding that precludes it.

TO has many redeeming qualities as a person I think and he certainly has been a great NFL talent. But he carries the wounds of rejection from his childhood. Ironically, its somehow those old wounds that recreate rejection in his life over and over. My gosh its so sad.

Its the same sadness I feel for Michael Jackson.

I can sympathize with anyone who had a troubled childhood.

However, at some point one must stop letting the past dictate the future.

The problem with Terrell Owens is that he doesn't seem to learn from the mistakes he has made in the past.

With Jeff Garcia and the 49ers, I could see how the mistakes he made were part of a learning experience but he turned around and made the same exact mistakes with Donovan McNabb and the Eagles and of course, Tony Romo and the Dallas Cowboys.

FWIW, I don't think alot of his mistakes have to do with his past. From what I understand, he was an extremely humble guy in his early years with the 49ers. It was when he became a huge star is when he degenerated into what we see now.

John Salley said the same thing about Dennis Rodman. Salley said Isaiah Thomas loved Dennis Rodman because he was quiet and humble but of course that is before he became a huge star.

 

[Dodger12]

I dont think you know what you are talking about...I did mention werder before. Read through the post. I agree TO has had problems in the past. I agree that TO was frustrated with his production and the teams production in the middle of the season...just as us fans were. Werder could new he was frustrated, asked questions and TO would say "ask the coaches", then it turned to "NO COMMENT"(which obviously frustrated werder). He could not get what he usually got from TO(a line to twist) and all of a sudden he breaks this story. In this situation I personally feel that TOs past came back to haunt him, AND I believe he made his bed and he is now laying in it, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE IS WRONG EVERYTIME. Keep in mind a few weeks before people were praising him for his hustle, his blocking, his help of the young receivers.

Not the posts I responded to or the conversation you and I were having; that's what I meant. But either way, if you feel that Werder hatched some conspiracy to pit Owens against Witten, then have at it. You're just being an apoplogist for TO's assinine behavior.

And like I said, he's out of Dallas so I could care less if I ever hear from the twisted psychopath again. He just hit a new low by throwing the guy who paid him millions and was his biggest advocate under the bus. He's a disloyal, backstabbing, paranoid psychopath. Good riddance and if I never hear about TO again, it'll be too soon.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Not the posts I responded to or the conversation you and I were having; that's what I meant. But either way, if you feel that Werder hatched some conspiracy to pit Owens against Witten, then have at it. You're just being an apoplogist for TO's assinine behavior.

And like I said, he's out of Dallas so I could care less if I ever hear from the twisted psychopath again. He just hit a new low by throwing the guy who paid him millions and was his biggest advocate under the bus. He's a disloyal, backstabbing, paranoid psychopath. Good riddance and if I never hear about TO again, it'll be too soon.

Im more of a realist than an apologist. Like I said in another post, I recognize TOs faults, but I think last year was more of his past coming back to haunt him (which is his own fault). I also said if Romo was made the scapegoat I would be defending Romo. I would even defend Wade Philips...simply because I think if it wasnt for Romo Injuries, and offensive line injuries. This would not be a discussion because we would have been playoff bound. This team had such high expectations, that a fall guy was needed, and TO was it.

Injuries then Jason garret.

 

[thechosen1n2]

The Jets got rid of Keyshawn because they were offered 2 first round picks and they were rebuilding. Or do you forget that the Head Coach of the Jets at the time was Parcells and Keyshawn is a Parcells guy or FOB (friend of Bill).

I never said no non team player has won a Super Bowl. I said TO never will. I am actually shocked his team ever made it to one.

Nice try on splitting facts, but it won't work.

Hostile, I respect you greatly as poster on here, but your recollection has been absolutely atrocious in this thread.

You mean to tell me you dont remember typing this...

"So basically you did nothing to debunk my theory that no non-team player will win a Super Bowl."

Now unless i cant read, that did not say TO. That said NO NON-TEAM PLAYER.....

Like I said I have much respect on here for ya(if you notice I started that way in my original post response to you...HOSTILE I Respect that... and you still came at me sideways) I read more than I post here, and I read your threads more than most, but your Bully posting tactics dont work on a thinking man.

You know whats even funnier, Im accused of being a TO apologist all while people ignore the fact that I stated if the Boys are better so beit, Lets go get us a bowl, If TO is a distraction (whether his fault or not) its better for the team then its best hes gone, but people just harp on the fact that I dont think last year was his fault, ignoring any and everything else...That wont change the fact that last year was not his fault.

Now Lets go get even with the steelers. Im sure we can agree on that.

 

[Silverstar]

TO is getting old, he turns 36 in December and he drops way too many passes now. Ever since he injured his hand, he hasn't been the same player as far as I'm concerned. I don't know how much teams fear him now, but he didn't bother the Ravens, Stealers or Iggles much last year.

This could be his last year of football.

 

[thechosen1n2]

TO is getting old, he turns 36 in December and he drops way too many passes now. Ever since he injured his hand, he hasn't been the same player as far as I'm concerned. I don't know how much teams fear him now, but he didn't bother the Ravens, Stealers or Iggles much last year.

This could be his last year of football.

He is getting older. He is no longer a top 5 Receiver, but still better than most, and he would still be the best in the nfc east. He is still good for double digit TDs. It just didnt make sense to me to let him go and eat 9 mil, with the plans to keep injury prone austin and stanback as your receivers. I would not have re-upped him after this year, but its not my money so hey thats jerry's business. The only thing I argue is 9-7 was far from TO being a distractions fault, and he was made the scapegoat.

 

[Hostile]

He is getting older. He is no longer a top 5 Receiver, but still better than most, and he would still be the best in the nfc east. He is still good for double digit TDs. It just didnt make sense to me to let him go and eat 9 mil, with the plans to keep injury prone austin and stanback as your receivers. I would not have re-upped him after this year, but its not my money so hey thats jerry's business. The only thing I argue is 9-7 was far from TO being a distractions fault, and he was made the scapegoat.

Only in the minds of his fans. To most of us it was the injuries. The vast majority point a finger at that, not TO. The problem is the TO fans don't liek ti that we call him a distraction.

He was a distraction. I don't care if his fans don't like it. With apologies to Howard Cosell, I'm going to tell it like it is.

 

[Hostile]

Hostile, I respect you greatly as poster on here, but your recollection has been absolutely atrocious in this thread.

You mean to tell me you dont remember typing this...

"So basically you did nothing to debunk my theory that no non-team player will win a Super Bowl."

Now unless i cant read, that did not say TO. That said NO NON-TEAM PLAYER.....

Like I said I have much respect on here for ya(if you notice I started that way in my original post response to you...HOSTILE I Respect that... and you still came at me sideways) I read more than I post here, and I read your threads more than most, but your Bully posting tactics dont work on a thinking man.

You know whats even funnier, Im accused of being a TO apologist all while people ignore the fact that I stated if the Boys are better so beit, Lets go get us a bowl, If TO is a distraction (whether his fault or not) its better for the team then its best hes gone, but people just harp on the fact that I dont think last year was his fault, ignoring any and everything else...That wont change the fact that last year was not his fault.

Now Lets go get even with the steelers. Im sure we can agree on that.

You are correct. It isn't about memory though, it is about the intent. Doesn't matter. I said what I said. No denials.

 

[Doomsday101]

I dont think you know what you are talking about...I did mention werder before. Read through the post. I agree TO has had problems in the past. I agree that TO was frustrated with his production and the teams production in the middle of the season...just as us fans were. Werder could new he was frustrated, asked questions and TO would say "ask the coaches", then it turned to "NO COMMENT"(which obviously frustrated werder). He could not get what he usually got from TO(a line to twist) and all of a sudden he breaks this story. In this situation I personally feel that TOs past came back to haunt him, AND I believe he made his bed and he is now laying in it, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE IS WRONG EVERYTIME. Keep in mind a few weeks before people were praising him for his hustle, his blocking, his help of the young receivers.

TO is a very talented WR and when things are going good it is great when teams hit a bump in the road and need to rally around each other TO has proven he is not good for a franchise. You find the true character of a person when things are going bad, hell everyone is a good teammate when things are going good

 

[thechosen1n2]

Only in the minds of his fans. To most of us it was the injuries. The vast majority point a finger at that, not TO. The problem is the TO fans don't liek ti that we call him a distraction.

He was a distraction. I don't care if his fans don't like it. With apologies to Howard Cosell, I'm going to tell it like it is.

Now we are on the same page...and you are right, it was injuries. You are also right about TO being a distraction...but I think it was more b/c of past issues (admitting he made his bed) coming to haunt him, but he became a distraction for whatever reason. That is why I have no problem...NO PROBLEM with him being gone if the team is better for it. I love the cowboys, not TO (though I do like him, and I hope he does well). And Hostile you cant judge everyone by your line of reasoning. You and I may know that it was injuries, but many (fans, and media) were head hunting for someone to blame for last year. Whether it was wade or TO, and it was neither of their fault, and if you blame someone for something and its not their fault, that is a scapegoat.

 

[thechosen1n2]

TO is a very talented WR and when things are going good it is great when teams hit a bump in the road and need to rally around each other TO has proven he is not good for a franchise. You find the true character of a person when things are going bad, hell everyone is a good teammate when things are going good

Blanket satements Doomsday...were things bad when romo fumbled in seattle. Romo said TO was the first guy to comfort him, and that he called numerous times to lift his spirits when he was locked up in his house. Were times bad when we lost to the Giants. It was TO that had Romos back when people unfairly blamed romo for that game. A problem came when it seemed like romo didnt care, or lacked preparation, and for a guy that wants to win, stays in shape, and works harder than anyone else to do so (him and witten), that will bother a person, because Romo is suppose to to be the leader, and the Team needs Romo to be successful.

 

[Hostile]

Now we are on the same page...and you are right, it was injuries. You are also right about TO being a distraction...but I think it was more b/c of past issues (admitting he made his bed) coming to haunt him, but he became a distraction for whatever reason. That is why I have no problem...NO PROBLEM with him being gone if the team is better for it. I love the cowboys, not TO (though I do like him, and I hope he does well). And Hostile you cant judge everyone by your line of reasoning. You and I may know that it was injuries, but many (fans, and media) were head hunting for someone to blame for last year. Whether it was wade or TO, and it was neither of their fault, and if you blame someone for something and its not their fault, that is a scapegoat.

I have seen just as much blame shoveled on Jerry, Wade, Garrett, Romo, and injuries as I have on Owens. The fact it there was an entire meltdown across the board. The only people making Owens a scapegoat are Owens and his supporters. Others are glad he is gone. That makes him a scapegoat? No, it means they are glad he is gone.