Tom Brady suspended for four games

[skinsscalper]

the accused has the right to face their accuser for cross examination in front of a jury.....she didn't cooperate because she was paid to disappear and with no victim/accuser, the prosecutor can NOT go forward with the case...

Not in a domestic violence case. Many cases and convictions have been handed out in DV cases because the victim refused to testify. The prosecutor ABSOLUTELY CAN go forward without the victim. His case was weak and the victims contradicting testimony (to both the police and the court) would have been thrashed in a million different directions by any defense attorney worth his salt. The DA had no case an he knew it victim testimony or not.

Nice try, though.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I hope he misses our game..we need easy wins when we can get them.

Yeah I pointed this out before, but we lost to Colt McCoy last year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

 

[The Quest for Six]

Every time you type, you prove you have no clue about the facts of the case. She gave multiple statements to police and the story was different each time. The judge that found him guilty which is the equivelant of being indicted totally disregarded his story and chose to believe her entire story. Did I mention that judge is a member of a battered women's advocacy group and has found every single man accused of domestic violence that has come before her guilty. Hardly and impartial judge or fair trial. That why they opted to appeal to a jury trial which is their right. The prosecutor dropped the charges because her prior statements were contradictory and did not match up well will other known facts. He felt he couldn't get a conviction without her. I have no idea how it came to be that she disappeared and refused to cooperate. It doesn't really matter at this point. Hardy went through the legal process and came out with no charges or conviction.

here's the Facts via wbtv covering the trial..that story about the Judge is total nonsense, it would have been a conflict of interest....


"The state asked for the charges to be dismissed after Holder didn't make herself available for the trial. She was not able to be located in order to serve, court officials said.

District Attorney Andrew Murray told the judge his office went through "great lengths" to track Nicole Holder down. When she didn't show up for court Monday, Murray says it appears she intentionally made herself unavailable to the State.

"Prosecutors last spoke with the victim in October and November 2014," a written statement from the DA's office stated. "During those conversations, the victim expressed that she did not want to participate in another trial. The District Attorney's Office has not been able to reach the victim since November 2014."

He said the state visited her home, employer and even put surveillance on a new home where she was believed to be living. Murray said it would not be just or appropriate to move the case forward without Holder.

"We are committed to stopping domestic violence," Murray said. "But we also want victims to come forward and cooperate."

The State said it had reliable information that Holder reached a settlement before the trial began. The judge granted the prosecutor's request for a dismissal on the assault on a female and communicating threats charges.

 

[Zordon]

long time cheaters....

 

[adbutcher]

The cheating scumbag got off easy, ditto for the entire cheating organization.

 

[DallasCowboysRule!]

It's too lenient for a guy that cheated in an AFC Championship Game. 8 games should have been the floor

 

[Cowboys22]

here's the Facts via wbtv covering the trial..that story about the Judge is total nonsense, it would have been a conflict of interest....


"The state asked for the charges to be dismissed after Holder didn't make herself available for the trial. She was not able to be located in order to serve, court officials said.

District Attorney Andrew Murray told the judge his office went through "great lengths" to track Nicole Holder down. When she didn't show up for court Monday, Murray says it appears she intentionally made herself unavailable to the State.

"Prosecutors last spoke with the victim in October and November 2014," a written statement from the DA's office stated. "During those conversations, the victim expressed that she did not want to participate in another trial. The District Attorney's Office has not been able to reach the victim since November 2014."

He said the state visited her home, employer and even put surveillance on a new home where she was believed to be living. Murray said it would not be just or appropriate to move the case forward without Holder.

"We are committed to stopping domestic violence," Murray said. "But we also want victims to come forward and cooperate."

The State said it had reliable information that Holder reached a settlement before the trial began. The judge granted the prosecutor's request for a dismissal on the assault on a female and communicating threats charges.

None of that disputes anything I said. They could have moved forward without her if they deemed her prior testimony credible and had another witness that backed her up. He very well could have reached a settlement with her. Is that illegal? Isn't that done all the time? He went through the process and the charges got dropped.

 

[Zekeats]

Won't stick. 2 games max.

Will stick....Brady will need to show evidence. Phone, text and email records. He won't go there, so hence not much of an appeal if he decides to.

 

[Cowboys22]

Will stick....Brady will need to show evidence. Phone, text and email records. He won't go there, so hence not much of an appeal if he decides to.

I think it sticks to. Were the spy gate and bounty gate penalties reduced? Not to mention, Brady's first game back is to their biggest rivals who turned them in. You don't get better TV than that.

 

[ConstantReboot]

No, they're different charges an the courts treat them differently. The NFL enacted a new domestic violence policy in 2014, and the courts have ruled that it cannot retroactively apply its new policy. Brady's violations have nothing to do with that policy.

Read the wording on charges brought onto both Brady and Hardy. The wording is very similar.

Hardy - "Conduct detrimental to the league."

Brady - "Conduct detrimental to the integrity of the NFL."

Hardy's verdict was not based on his domestic violence but because his "conduct was detrimental to the league." He got a 10 game suspension.

Brady's verdict was "conduct detrimental to the integrity of the NFL." He only got a 4 game suspension.

Why is Hardy's suspension 10 games while Brady only got 4 when they committed the same exact offense? I smell favoritism and it reeks.

 

[irishline]

you forgot the witness in the other room that also backed her story... and the prosecutor did NOT find her unreliable, he stated without victims cooperation, he could not prosecute...

"Greg Hardy case was unraveling for weeks" (article)

"...Victims and witnesses routinely stop cooperating in domestic-abuse cases and prosecutors still take the cases to court. Murray, though, said the Hardy case was different. He also appeared to raise doubts about Holder’s credibility in a statement to the judge..."

Please read the rest:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/incoming/article10422650.html

 

[cowboyblue22]

was a small price to pay for a super bowl but one thing about it every fan knows he is a cheater and so are the patriots and all the wins and super bowls are tainted. brady should of got at least 10 games and belicheat the whole season. But it is what it is.

 

[jazzcat22]

This means if Brady misses the Dallas game, if suspension not reduced. If I'm out of town, my tickets won't sell for as much......lol....

 

[texbumthelife]

Not in a domestic violence case. Many cases and convictions have been handed out in DV cases because the victim refused to testify. The prosecutor ABSOLUTELY CAN go forward without the victim. His case was weak and the victims contradicting testimony (to both the police and the court) would have been thrashed in a million different directions by any defense attorney worth his salt. The DA had no case an he knew it victim testimony or not.

Nice try, though.

I have said this in every one of the threads where this has been brought up. The DA came out and said specifically that they had no evidence of her claims.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I have said this in every one of the threads where this has been brought up. The DA came out and said specifically that they had no evidence of her claims.

And King Roger has said he has a different standard than the legal system. What he was saying w/o saying it is he makes his own rules up as he sees fit. Or as Mara and Kraft tell him to . . . .

 

[texbumthelife]

And King Roger has said he has a different standard than the legal system. What he was saying w/o saying it is he makes his own rules up as he sees fit. Or as Mara and Kraft tell him to . . . .

Roger Goodell caters to the whims of the media and cares about nothing more than the image of the NFL. His closeness to the new rules about concussions, his handling of the new conduct policy, Hardy and now this ruling; It is all based purely on how it will be received by the media and the general public. Brady is a darling QB, four games is actually significantly stiffer than I expected. Kraft is considered to be the standard for NFL owners and Belichick is a first ballot hall-of-famer. This is a legacy ruling. Or more accurately, a preservation of legacy ruling.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Roger Goodell caters to the whims of the media and cares about nothing more than the image of the NFL. His closeness to the new rules about concussions, his handling of the new conduct policy, Hardy and now this ruling; It is all based purely on how it will be received by the media and the general public. Brady is a darling QB, four games is actually significantly stiffer than I expected. Kraft is considered to be the standard for NFL owners and Belichick is a first ballot hall-of-famer. This is a legacy ruling. Or more accurately, a preservation of legacy ruling.

Exactly! Its not about what is righ.t or wrong, or even fair and consistent. Its just going with whichever way the wind might be blowing at the time.

 

[remdak]

This cracked me up.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Roger Goodell caters to the whims of the media and cares about nothing more than the image of the NFL. His closeness to the new rules about concussions, his handling of the new conduct policy, Hardy and now this ruling; It is all based purely on how it will be received by the media and the general public. Brady is a darling QB, four games is actually significantly stiffer than I expected. Kraft is considered to be the standard for NFL owners and Belichick is a first ballot hall-of-famer. This is a legacy ruling. Or more accurately, a preservation of legacy ruling.

Troy vincent imposed the punishment, not Goodell..