Tony (2.8 ypc) Pollard eh?

[blueblood70]

8 carries for 22 yards? Really? This is the guy yall are insisting should replace Zeke? As I predicted the long layoff allowed Zeke to bring a little juice to the stadium tonight. Alas I think he will be hard pressed to be physically ready in 5 days to play on Sunday. F you Goodell. So instead of just one game on short rest we get two this year. F you Goodell. But I digress. Both backs ran hard tonight.. but again we see that Pollard is good for an occasional splash play but there's a lot of bone dry in between them. What we saw from Zeke was consistently grinding out positive yards.. Even a couple of nice cutbacks for over 10.. Except for the idiotic play calling on the first and goal from the 1. Three straight plays into the teeth of a 9 man box with the line getting blown into the backfield. Would it kill you to run wide or off tackle down there Kellen Moore? Good thing Cooper bailed Dalton out on the 4th down throw. Dalton almost airmailed that thing.. McCarthy needs to take film of that sequence into his offseason meeting with Jerry and say " this is why I need to call plays man.. "

Pollard did have the one nice kick return but I repeat for those of you who believe he ran 4.3 at his pro-day.. If he was really that fast that linebacker doesn't track him down once he broke free like that. A true 4.3 burner takes that thing to the house high stepping the last 30 yards.

Seek had that one pass block on the right side that he lifted and flipped the DE , was awesome..5YPC most of the game..

Who cares about the contract as some keep bringing up,,seeks twice the layer pollard is and that why he was drafted high an paid the way he is,,money needs to stop being the barometer,this year sux we all know out the team is bad therefore most skilled players numbers will go down..NO OL and OC that continues to only have like 6 run plays, no real scheming to help the Ol or the RBs

I like pollard nice compliment back but hes not special...

The hates love these years when layer or coach is down so they can go to their files they saved to past and cut their narratives.

Sad to constant rip their own players and team the place should not be called fan zone and instead haterzone.

 

[blueblood70]

If the coaching staff is doing anything with any player's contract as a determining factor they all need to be fired. I don't judge Pollard any different than I judge any player. I watch what they do.... then I factor in what else is going on around him.. What did the defense do? Did the line block anybody? I have always stated that Pollard, by virtue of being a quicker and shiftier runner, is better suited for the shotgun spread offense we now feature than Zeke. I also know that he benefits greatly from letting Zeke tire the defense out before his number gets called. At least he used to. Last night they didn't wait.. They got him in on like the 5 or 6th snap of the game and used him throughout the game... Ironically no fresh legs against tired defense.. no splash plays.. He got met in the backfield on at least half his carried just like Zeke did.. Only Zeke is strong enough to drag defenders for a yard or two anyway. To his credit Pollard did as well on a couple of plays.. but he's just not going to do it as regularly as Zeke. After the big splash against Minnesota Pollard has gone 4 carries for 12 yards on Thanksgiving followed by 8 carries for 22 last night. People really want to replace Zeke with that?

Truth my brother! No one likes it.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

8 carries for 22 yards? Really? This is the guy yall are insisting should replace Zeke? As I predicted the long layoff allowed Zeke to bring a little juice to the stadium tonight. Alas I think he will be hard pressed to be physically ready in 5 days to play on Sunday. F you Goodell. So instead of just one game on short rest we get two this year. F you Goodell. But I digress. Both backs ran hard tonight.. but again we see that Pollard is good for an occasional splash play but there's a lot of bone dry in between them. What we saw from Zeke was consistently grinding out positive yards.. Even a couple of nice cutbacks for over 10.. Except for the idiotic play calling on the first and goal from the 1. Three straight plays into the teeth of a 9 man box with the line getting blown into the backfield. Would it kill you to run wide or off tackle down there Kellen Moore? Good thing Cooper bailed Dalton out on the 4th down throw. Dalton almost airmailed that thing.. McCarthy needs to take film of that sequence into his offseason meeting with Jerry and say " this is why I need to call plays man.. "

Pollard did have the one nice kick return but I repeat for those of you who believe he ran 4.3 at his pro-day.. If he was really that fast that linebacker doesn't track him down once he broke free like that. A true 4.3 burner takes that thing to the house high stepping the last 30 yards.

LOL, You know who is about to make a Grand Entrance on this topic.

 

[Bullflop]

Pollard and Zeke are both quality RBs, despite the fact that Zeke is over-payed.

That's a problem that exists due to the FO's incompetence. It's nothing new.

 

[aria]

LOL, You know who is about to make a Grand Entrance on this topic.

Who?

Look how many threads Ronnie has started about zeke and look how many I’ve started. If this wasn’t about the 30th thread he’s started about the ewok I’d think you’re talking about him.

 

[G2]

Elliott haters use hand-picked metrics and his salary as the backbones of their argument. Both RBs got twice the carries they had the previous week, behind the same offensive line and it's pretty obvious which RB was more productive.
Hell, if Moore wasn't an idiot, we would have kept running when it was working.

 

[RonnieT24]

He’ll just do what he does with everyone who proves him wrong or justifiably calls him out on his hypocrisy which is ignore them.

Nope.. I will turn the hypocrisy back onto of those who want Pollard to start when he has the same number of games under 4 ypc as Zeke does.. But he's the "big play threat." He had a nice 3 game stretch (Philly, Pitt and Minny) where he looked good but most of the season he has been trash. Despite the fan base's incessant hunger for the backup to start, aside from a handful of plays, Pollard has not done anything to warrant starting. He's doing what he is supposed to be doing. Coming in as a change of pace back, spelling Zeke and he has improved as a pass protector which he deserves credit for. He might be the classic case of a backup player who the more he is exposed.. the more he GETS exposed. Time will tell. As I am fond of saying, every game you play in the NFL adds another page to the "book" on you. If you are not constantly working to add to your game then you are by definition losing ground. Pollard is young and has time to expand his game. If he can do it, he will have a nice long career .. ironically 3rd down and change of pace backs have longer careers on average than feature backs if for no other reason than they take a fraction of the punishment and yes, cost a fraction of the money.

 

[blumayne38]

8 carries for 22 yards? Really? This is the guy yall are insisting should replace Zeke? As I predicted the long layoff allowed Zeke to bring a little juice to the stadium tonight. Alas I think he will be hard pressed to be physically ready in 5 days to play on Sunday. F you Goodell. So instead of just one game on short rest we get two this year. F you Goodell. But I digress. Both backs ran hard tonight.. but again we see that Pollard is good for an occasional splash play but there's a lot of bone dry in between them. What we saw from Zeke was consistently grinding out positive yards.. Even a couple of nice cutbacks for over 10.. Except for the idiotic play calling on the first and goal from the 1. Three straight plays into the teeth of a 9 man box with the line getting blown into the backfield. Would it kill you to run wide or off tackle down there Kellen Moore? Good thing Cooper bailed Dalton out on the 4th down throw. Dalton almost airmailed that thing.. McCarthy needs to take film of that sequence into his offseason meeting with Jerry and say " this is why I need to call plays man.. "

Pollard did have the one nice kick return but I repeat for those of you who believe he ran 4.3 at his pro-day.. If he was really that fast that linebacker doesn't track him down once he broke free like that. A true 4.3 burner takes that thing to the house high stepping the last 30 yards.

Yeah pollard has shown twice this year on returns that his break away hardly breaks away. I still like zeke and pollard as a 1-2. But pollard is the replaceable back. Zeke is consistent. He’s a piece to this puzzle that’s going to make the full picture possible.

 

[J12B]

Any sound you hear is in your head. I merely stated facts. Pollard got gobbled up last night. He gets gobbled up far more than he breaks a big play but softheads don't remember the 6-7 plays of 1 or 2 yards and negative yards. They only see the one 20+ yard run and jizz themselves. Then come here and proclaim him the second coming. He gave it everything he could last night.. but there was no room for him to run. The Ravens played a 5 and 6 man line most of the night and really dared Dalton to do anything about it. It was good to see Zeke still churning out yards in spite of it but it was only a matter of time before the ineptness of the defense let the score get out of hand so that we would have to stop running the ball. It was also good to see Moore FINALLY call something other than dive up the middle for Zeke. A couple of tosses were a nice touch. Would have been even nicer to see one on the goal line instead of plunging into the teeth of the defense when it was obvious the line was getting blown up.

Watching Zeke get gobbled up from the 1 yard line 3 times in a row on that last touchdown drive was painful to watch.

Pollard may not have had a good game running the ball, but he did contribute with that great kickoff return that setup Gallup's td.

And Zeke did have a decent game, but I don't understand calling out Pollard.

 

[noshame]

I prefer season stats

Zeke 3,9
Pollard 4.7
Not saying Pollard is any better than Hambrick, Just saying Zeke has been a disappointment.

 

[BaybeeJay]

If you don't understand how to value running backs with the current labor agreement, that's on you.

 

[Jake]

F you Goodell. So instead of just one game on short rest we get two this year. F you Goodell.

Get over it. There's no stupid conspiracy. Lots of teams have had to play crazy schedules this year. There's an entire forum here dedicated to why.

 

[RonnieT24]

Pollard is by far the fan bases most overrated player. He has one skill. He's fast. His vision is at best average and he has zero power. He's given them next to nothing in the pass game.
Fans trying to promote him over Zeke are hilarious and just bad at football evaluation.

Last night Zeke accounted for 95 yards on 22 touches.
TP had 28 yards on 9.

I don't know that I would characterize Pollard as having one skill.. He's a pretty good all around talent.. we just don't use him as one. And as I pointed out, you caw on the kickoff return that he's more quick than fast. He was out in front of the cover team and got tracked down pretty easily. If he were truly "fast" he would have housed that thing. That's not a knock.. for a running back quickness is better than flat out top end speed. Of course it's nice to have both but Emmitt was quick but not fast.. Adrian Peterson and Derrick Henry are fast but not quick. Tony Dorsett and Barry Sanders were both.. But neither of them were as powerful as Emmitt, AD or Henry.. By the way, when I say Emmitt and Pollard are not "fast" it's always in the context of for NFL athletes. Any of these guys would probably beat 99.999% of the people in the world in a footrace.

 

[USArmyVet]

Zeke in 2020:

0-49 Yards Rushed 4 Games

50-74 Yards Rushed 3 Games

75-99 Yards Rushed 4 Games

100+ Yards Rushed 1 Game


So the highly paid 'bellcow' running back has really dominated this season with ONLY 1 game of 100+ yards rushing and 7 out of 12 games rushing for LESS than 74 yards.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Yesterday started to close the gap between Pollard and Zeke.

Current standings after last night:
Pollard- 4.7
Zeke- 3.9 LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[RonnieT24]

Get over it. There's no stupid conspiracy. Lots of teams have had to play crazy schedules this year. There's an entire forum here dedicated to why.

Sure THIS year.. but nobody plays a crazy schedule EVERY year except the Cowboys... The league screws the Cowboys every chance it gets. You get over it..

 

[RonnieT24]

Zeke in 2020:

0-49 Yards Rushed 4 Games

50-74 Yards Rushed 3 Games

75-99 Yards Rushed 4 Games

100+ Yards Rushed 1 Game


So the highly paid 'bellcow' running back has really dominated this season with ONLY 1 game of 100+ yards rushing and 7 out of 12 games rushing for LESS than 74 yards.

No back "dominates" without blocking.. Ask Tony Pollard..

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

No back "dominates" without blocking.. Ask Tony Pollard..

Tony Pollard averages 4.7 yards per carry this season, better than the league average. Really silly example. Horrible even.

Antonio Gibson, Derrick Henry, and Ronald Jones run behind the three worst run blocking OLs in the league according to footballoutsiders.

Go look up each of their stats vs Zeke real quick. You'll realize quickly that your fighting a losing battle and have been for four seasons.

 

[aria]

Nope.. I will turn the hypocrisy back onto of those who want Pollard to start when he has the same number of games under 4 ypc as Zeke does.. But he's the "big play threat." He had a nice 3 game stretch (Philly, Pitt and Minny) where he looked good but most of the season he has been trash. Despite the fan base's incessant hunger for the backup to start, aside from a handful of plays, Pollard has not done anything to warrant starting. He's doing what he is supposed to be doing. Coming in as a change of pace back, spelling Zeke and he has improved as a pass protector which he deserves credit for. He might be the classic case of a backup player who the more he is exposed.. the more he GETS exposed. Time will tell. As I am fond of saying, every game you play in the NFL adds another page to the "book" on you. If you are not constantly working to add to your game then you are by definition losing ground. Pollard is young and has time to expand his game. If he can do it, he will have a nice long career .. ironically 3rd down and change of pace backs have longer careers on average than feature backs if for no other reason than they take a fraction of the punishment and yes, cost a fraction of the money.

You proved my point by not addressing @CalPolyTechnique question.

Also, by your own words “If you are not constantly working to add to your game then you are by definition losing ground.” then I assume you agree that zeke has been losing ground every year since 2016.

 

[foofighters]

If the coaching staff is doing anything with any player's contract as a determining factor they all need to be fired. I don't judge Pollard any different than I judge any player. I watch what they do.... then I factor in what else is going on around him.. What did the defense do? Did the line block anybody? I have always stated that Pollard, by virtue of being a quicker and shiftier runner, is better suited for the shotgun spread offense we now feature than Zeke. I also know that he benefits greatly from letting Zeke tire the defense out before his number gets called. At least he used to. Last night they didn't wait.. They got him in on like the 5 or 6th snap of the game and used him throughout the game... Ironically no fresh legs against tired defense.. no splash plays.. He got met in the backfield on at least half his carried just like Zeke did.. Only Zeke is strong enough to drag defenders for a yard or two anyway. To his credit Pollard did as well on a couple of plays.. but he's just not going to do it as regularly as Zeke. After the big splash against Minnesota Pollard has gone 4 carries for 12 yards on Thanksgiving followed by 8 carries for 22 last night. People really want to replace Zeke with that?

I believe you're being tainted by a dislike for Pollard. Now, I don't believe that Pollard is all that but the premise is that if we are going to be a pass happy team, we will not need zeke. Pollard will be enough. However, to argue your points, Pollard has gashed defenses early in the game at times. This disproves your tired defense theory. Also, Zeke hasn't been a threat this year nor was he much last year. Defenses are no longer getting blown up by him. Does Zeke get tough yards? Sure he does. This is why i say that running back by committee works.