Tony (2.8 ypc) Pollard eh?

[USArmyVet]

So the standard is now 69 rushing yards in a game? There is no conceivable way anyone would be celebrating if Zeke had a game like this one. People would be screaming that "if not for the one run... yadda yadda yadda.." Just see last week.. Zeke had more yards and a better YPC average than Pollard and all people could latch onto was "if not for the one run... yadda yadda yadda..." You people are amazing.. Pollard aint do diddly on his own. He scored a TD on a run where he was not touched until he was at the second level.. and he broke free because #36 came in and knocked his own man #57 off the tackle. Kudos to him for staying on his feet and having enough left in the tank to house it.. but only having had 10 carries with 3 minutes left in the game keeps a lad fresh.. Or so I'm told. I thought Pollard ran hard overall today.. But please.. let's not make out like was OJ Simpson, Walter Payton and Jim Brown rolled into one yesterday. You cannot come here lauding a guy who got 2/3 of his yards on one play in what amounted to garbage time (because all we really needed to do there was run out the clock) and then proclaim it superior to a guy who gets the same amount of yards in smaller but more consistent increments. Again if you get distracted by how something "looks" then you lose sight of how effective it is. A back with 12 carries for 69 yards with all of them being between 2 and 10 yards long would have done more to help his offense than a guy one 40 yarder and a bunch of 0-2 yarders. The Cowboys had one drive of more than 50 yards on Sunday. ONE! And the running back on that drive was Rico Dowdle. Shall we start the chant to elevate him starter status? We saw three TD drives of less than 50 yards yesterday which if I am not mistaken doubled our total of such drives for the season. Like I said last night.. the defense won this game for us. The offense was rather anemic truth be told. We finished with 291 total yards. We averaged less than 4 ypc as a team.. and passed for less than 6.5 ypa. In both phases one long play, the 45 yard pass to Lamb and the 40 yard run made the numbers look better than they really were. Those 85 yards on two plays accounted for nearly a third of our offensive output. The only way you win games doing that is the defense generates turnovers. Take away those two plays and we have 47 yards rushing and 175 passing. Yay!!!

Still feeling moronic for your "I love Zeke so much I have to bad mouth Pollard and his 2.7 ypc average" thread? Yeah, you keep defending the take the money and do nothing types like Zeke, Lawrence, Smith, and Dak.

 

[RonnieT24]

I just don't see how you can compare 87 carries to 211 and not get that it effects the average. I really wish we could fairly compare the 2 Apples to Apples, but it's just not possible.

Sure it is.. in the last three games when both backs played Zeke had more yards and a better YPC average.. Even while playing on a bad hammie and strained calf. I mean if we're going to analyze it objectively.. when the starting back has a higher YPC than the backup then the backup is not doing his job.

 

[G2]

There’s also the simple eye test.

Sorry, I don't judge anything most here "see." It's a misused phrase. I do think that each RBs weakness is the other's strength and we need both. If San Fran didn't hand us 4 turnovers, 60+ rushing ain't enough no matter who it is.

 

[G2]

Sure it is.. in the last three games when both backs played Zeke had more yards and a better YPC average.. Even while playing on a bad hammie and strained calf. I mean if we're going to analyze it objectively.. when the starting back has a higher YPC than the backup then the backup is not doing his job.

No, to be fair you would need both to run the ball the exact same amount and under the same circumstances. Not realistic without speculating. I'm not arguing playing with injuries, that's a huge factor. Oh sorry, "excuse." And I don't see Pollard lasting with the same attempt frequency.

 

[USArmyVet]

Pollard is outperforming Zeke? Come on man.. at least pretend to be objective here..

Pollard had a decent game yesterday.. but let's look at the previous three games..

WFT
Zeke 10-32
Pollard 4-12

Advantage Zeke

Baltimore
Zeke 18-77
Pollard 8-22

Advantage Zeke

Cincy
Zeke 12-48
Pollard 11-39

Advantage Zeke

Three straight games with fewer yards and a lower ypc .. yet somehow he is "outperforming Zeke?"

What am I missing?

LOL....when you have to defend Zeke against his supposed back-up by trotting out Zeke's 40 carries for 157 yards (3.93 YPC) in his last 3 games yet ignore his game against PITT (18 for 51 yards 2.8 YPC) or SEA (14 for 34 yards 2.4 YPC) is pretty funny. By the way, against PITT Pollard went 9 for 57 yards 6.3 YPC.....but you failed to mention that one.

Sad those of you desperately trying to defend Zeke and his $10M+ cap hit against a 4th round running back with an $800K+ cap hit.

 

[USArmyVet]

RB1 does the heavy lifting and is the focus of the defensive gameplan every week.
RB2 comes in and takes advantage of it. Oh and his longest run is 42 not 47.. Let us strive for accuracy..

The change of pace back SHOULD have a higher YPC average based on how they are used. That's why it's so concerning when he doesn't as has been the case in 6 or 7 games this year.

Think about Pollard's long reception yesterday.. There was no defender within 20 yards of him when he caught the ball.. Then ask yourself when the last time Elliott got ignored by the defense to that extent? If you are even somewhat fair in your evaluation you will acknowledge this simple reality. Teams do not account for Pollard to the same degree that they do Elliott. And he's gonna need a lot more than 69 yards on the ground and 63 pass catching before that changes.

I do have to commend the coaches for waiting until just before game time to scratch Zeke.. That was a shrewd move and I think it gave Pollard an edge as the Niners spent all week game planning for Zeke. Which probably explains the number of times Pollard was uncovered when he went out for passes. The Niner defense simply wasn't paying attention to him on a number of occasions. To his credit he made them pay for that error. Here's hoping he keeps it up!!

Heavy lifting???? So far in 2020 Zeke has rushed 60 times for 200 yards and a 3.3 YPC in the 1st quarter........and for the 1st Half of 2020 Zeke has rushed 117 times for 440 yards and a 3.8 YPC average.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Sad those of you desperately trying to defend Zeke and his $10M+ cap hit against a 4th round running back with an $800K+ cap hit.

Zeke will get paid regardless of what he does on the field, taking him off the field this year does nothing to help the cap, sit him completely or mostly for Pollard, the cost is the same.
If Pollard should be the starter, or play most of the time should only be because he's clearly better than Zeke. Salary is immaterial to who gets on the field the most....

 

[USArmyVet]

But he also had a higher YPC in the same games.. Please rationalize that for us.. Should be run.. After all you guys have been telling us all year that the reason Pollard should start was his higher yards per carry.. Then he has a lower yards per carry average for three straight games and suddenly yards per carry becomes unimportant?

Sure..

You mean in the 3 games you selected???? Let's just look at the season side by side:

vs. LAR Zeke 4.4 YPC Pollard 5.0 YPC
vs. ATL Zeke 4.0 YPC Pollard 3.0 YPC
vs. SEA Zeke 2.4 YPC Pollard No Carries
vs. CLE Zeke 4.5 YPC Pollard 5.3 YPC
vs. NYG Zeke 4.8 YPC Pollard 5.0 YPC
vs. ARI Zeke 4.1 YPC Pollard 3.1 YPC
vs. WASH Zeke 3.8 YPC Pollard 2.0 YPC
vs. PHI Zeke 3.3 YPC Pollard 5.7 YPC
vs. PITT Zeke 2.8 YPC Pollard 6.3 YPC
vs. MINN Zeke 4.9 YPC Pollard 12.0 YPC
vs. WASH Zeke 3.2 YPC Pollard 3.0 YPC
vs. BAL Zeke 4.3 YPC Pollard 2.8 YPC
vs. CINN Zeke 4.0 YPC Pollard 3.5 YPC
vs. SF Zeke DNP Pollard 5.8 YPC

So based on your logic, in games where both running backs got carries Zeke had a higher YPC in 6 games and Pollard had a higher YPC in 6 games......

 

[USArmyVet]

Sure it is.. in the last three games when both backs played Zeke had more yards and a better YPC average.. Even while playing on a bad hammie and strained calf. I mean if we're going to analyze it objectively.. when the starting back has a higher YPC than the backup then the backup is not doing his job.

....and there it is.....the last resort "Zeke was playing on a bad hammy and calf" excuse......he was perfectly healthy against SEA and PITT yet tanked those games so let me guess.....he forgot his favorite underwear for the game at your place?

 

[MyFairLady]

Fat Zeke torpedoed the season. He is the worst.

 

[Kaiser]

Ah, my stalker is back.

The wannabe war hero that got a “thanks for your participation ribbon” along with 28,000 others, lulz.

No wonder you clammed up when asked for specifics you unaccomplished hack.

I gave you the specifics and after saying "You never served" you said "Durrr, you weren't Audie Murphy".

And all this from a guy who said his understanding of the military comes from his Dad having a desk job at Moffat Field, a place where the only weapons are in Call of Duty avatars if someone plays it on their lunch hour.

You are a loser and liar and everyone knows it. You really should think about your station in life.

 

[Aviano90]

Zeke diehards are nearing Dak haters in terms of looking clownish.

 

[Kaiser]

What am I missing?

The fact that the bottom quartile in intelligence make up the top two quartiles of posts here.

 

[Kaiser]

But he also had a higher YPC in the same games.. Please rationalize that for us.. Should be run.. After all you guys have been telling us all year that the reason Pollard should start was his higher yards per carry.. Then he has a lower yards per carry average for three straight games and suddenly yards per carry becomes unimportant?

Sure..

And that is before you get to the question of durability. Zeke has missed one game in the last five years and Pollard might not last a full season if he was carrying the ball 20 times a game.

 

[Kaiser]

Running back #1 - averages 3.9 YPC , 211 carries with longest run of 26 yards.

Running back #2 - averages 4.7 YPC, 87 carries with longest run of 47 yards.

Running back #3 - averages 4.8 YPC, 115 carries with longest run of 70 yards.

Running back #3 is Alfred Morris in 2017.

 

[Kaiser]

The change of pace back SHOULD have a higher YPC average based on how they are used. That's why it's so concerning when he doesn't as has been the case in 6 or 7 games this year.

And then he pulls away from a defender who has two fingers holding his jersey and Cal Poly calls that "breaking tackles".

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Zeke vs Pollard isn't really the point. It is paying Zeke $15 million vs potentially paying a stable of backs $5 million total and getting similar effectiveness to what Zeke gives you. Pollard just happens to be the first back given an opportunity.

Okay..if you say so. No Zeke trash talking in here at all. Gotcha.

I don't think you can run a cheap stable and have an effective running game. I don;t think you can trot in any old rb either. We tried that up to Murray. He got HIS big contract elsewhere. And so here we are...still messing around? (Let it be known I don;t blame zeke alone for his average play.)

Most of the good teams have a dynamic top runner....and paid pretty decent. yes? Certainly not 5 mil for the "whole stable".

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

There’s also the simple eye test.

To a point. The eye can easily be fooled. Especially when it can't see the whole picture.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I gave you the specifics and after saying "You never served" you said "Durrr, you weren't Audie Murphy".

And all this from a guy who said his understanding of the military comes from his Dad having a desk job at Moffat Field, a place where the only weapons are in Call of Duty avatars if someone plays it on their lunch hour.

You are a loser and liar and everyone knows it. You really should think about your station in life.

Unhinged.

Lol, the liar keeps lying...let’s see:

1. You claimed that I supposedly said “You never served.” LIE
2. “And all this from a guy who said his understanding of the military comes from his Dad having a desk job at Moffat Field.” LIE

TRUTH: You gotta glorified “thanks for your participation” ribbon with 28,000+ others. Bravo!

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

But he also had a higher YPC in the same games.. Please rationalize that for us.. Should be run.. After all you guys have been telling us all year that the reason Pollard should start was his higher yards per carry.. Then he has a lower yards per carry average for three straight games and suddenly yards per carry becomes unimportant?

Sure..

Lol, okay?

Funny, you missed the minor detail where Pollard somehow has a higher YPC than Zeke this year and last year AND that’s not based on 4 carry small sample size you like to use.

BTW, I’ve never said Pollard should start over Zeke. I’ve only been critical of Zeke as a result of the undue fanboism toward him.

Give it up.