Tony (2.8 ypc) Pollard eh?

[USArmyVet]

yet before his finals run of 40

11-29 that 2.9 your boy ready for the HOF?

Pollards a nice complimentary back and come on we saw bad tackling on that 40yarder , i like Pollard and will give him credit for that but in no way did he do anything that showed up zeke yesterday..teh OL was bad for all RBS for 50mins yesterday Dowldle and pollard had no room to run both under 3YPC ALL GAME..

expecting zeke to do much better is redicuus i mean NO HOLES

this doesnt need to be zeke vs pollard its tem game as long as they both wear the Star i cheer hard for both..but you guys want pissing contest you are off base 2.9 YPC until one run..thats it..thats nothing to brag about for guy with allegedly more wiggle, burst , and speed to spend 50mins of game under 3YPC..

Zeke 2020 stats

211 Carries 832 Yards 3.9 YPC

Zeke 2020 stats (taking out his longest run in each game)

198 Carries 652 Yards 3.29 YPC


So Zeke, when taking out his longest run per game, is averaging just .39 yards more than what Pollard ran for yesterday before his longest run.......so I ask is that worth a $90M extension and to be heralded as a bell cow running back like so many of you want to paint Zeke as?????


Oh, and here are Pollards 2020 stats with and without his longest runs:

87 Carries 408 Yards 4.7 YPC

(Taking out longest run) 74 Carries 210 Yards 2.84 YPC

So taking out longest runs Zeke is just .45 yards per carry better than Pollard..........Zeke 2020 cap hit $10.9M ($35.4M in dead money) Pollard 2020 cap hit $841K ($500K in dead money)

Sorry but Zeke is nothing but an overpriced running back getting paid for what he did for the team in the past and not what he is doing for the team now.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

exactly not sure how pollard fans who are zeke haters could see through

damn good he was average at best..nice backup but pay attention to the entire game not one or two plays

nearly 4 full qtrs Pollard was,

11-29 1td need the math 2.9 ypc

ONE(1) nice 4th qtr run full of bad tackling ill take it =40 he saved his sat line on his final run..so 2.9 for nearly the entire game became what appears to be very solid game on his final run..

the rest were bad all game so for the game as runner hes was not good at all.not blaming him like you all blame zeke the OL can NOT run block and KM can not call runs for a true tail back..hes using our running backs like Full backs and its pathetic really..

you hear Pollards post game comment he accidentally had Freudian slip on Moores play calling being the 'usual " runs up the gut..lmao..go find it ..

the OL and the OC are far better in the pass game then the run game

Hopefully...you weren't talking at me when you said "like ya'll blame zeke".

Would love to hear Pollards statement. Spot on! Run up the gut on a struggling decimated O-line? With a struggling RB. And back up QB? Kiddin us right?

 

[Cmac]

Zeke has needed to go for a couple seasons now, dude has zero burst and brings nothing to the offense except pass blocking.

Why can't he stay like Lee?

 

[blueblood70]

Hopefully...you weren't talking at me when you said "like ya'll blame zeke".

Would love to hear Pollards statement. Spot on! Run up the gut on a struggling decimated O-line? With a struggling RB. And back up QB? Kiddin us right?

No just this thread in general..

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Zeke 2020 stats

211 Carries 832 Yards 3.9 YPC

Zeke 2020 stats (taking out his longest run in each game)

198 Carries 652 Yards 3.29 YPC


So Zeke, when taking out his longest run per game, is averaging just .39 yards more than what Pollard ran for yesterday before his longest run.......so I ask is that worth a $90M extension and to be heralded as a bell cow running back like so many of you want to paint Zeke as?????


Oh, and here are Pollards 2020 stats with and without his longest runs:

87 Carries 408 Yards 4.7 YPC

(Taking out longest run) 74 Carries 210 Yards 2.84 YPC

So taking out longest runs Zeke is just .45 yards per carry better than Pollard..........Zeke 2020 cap hit $10.9M ($35.4M in dead money) Pollard 2020 cap hit $841K ($500K in dead money)

Sorry but Zeke is nothing but an overpriced running back getting paid for what he did for the team in the past and not what he is doing for the team now.

The problem with trotting out your stats is that it's not the same. This is exactly what stats do. Lie.

Give Pollard ALL the carries...ALL the passes....AND...all the blocking assignments for at least a full season. Then we can talk. We need to see his production on the third or fourth year of all that.

Not saying he can or can't. Imma cheer him on anyway. But if we're gonna showcase stats as artillery....then make them real.

 

[USArmyVet]

The problem with trotting out your stats is that it's not the same. This is exactly what stats do. Lie.

Give Pollard ALL the carries...ALL the passes....AND...all the blocking assignments for at least a full season. Then we can talk. We need to see his production on the third or fourth year of all that.

Not saying he can or can't. Imma cheer him on anyway. But if we're gonna showcase stats as artillery....then make them real.

The stats are what we have to go on and statistically speaking there is no denying that Zeke is declining the last several years and Pollard is outperforming Zeke when given the chance.

 

[RonnieT24]

No, he wasn’t. He was being contained against a pretty good run defense with a bad offensive line and then made a play. It’s not like he was leaving yards on the field. This game is exactly the type of game that validates the criticisms of Zeke. Zeke just can’t do anything on his own like Pollard can. Pollard even ran for tough yards and even turned a 3 yard loss into a 1 yard gain....things Zeke would be complimented for in a game he was bottled up in.

So the standard is now 69 rushing yards in a game? There is no conceivable way anyone would be celebrating if Zeke had a game like this one. People would be screaming that "if not for the one run... yadda yadda yadda.." Just see last week.. Zeke had more yards and a better YPC average than Pollard and all people could latch onto was "if not for the one run... yadda yadda yadda..." You people are amazing.. Pollard aint do diddly on his own. He scored a TD on a run where he was not touched until he was at the second level.. and he broke free because #36 came in and knocked his own man #57 off the tackle. Kudos to him for staying on his feet and having enough left in the tank to house it.. but only having had 10 carries with 3 minutes left in the game keeps a lad fresh.. Or so I'm told. I thought Pollard ran hard overall today.. But please.. let's not make out like was OJ Simpson, Walter Payton and Jim Brown rolled into one yesterday. You cannot come here lauding a guy who got 2/3 of his yards on one play in what amounted to garbage time (because all we really needed to do there was run out the clock) and then proclaim it superior to a guy who gets the same amount of yards in smaller but more consistent increments. Again if you get distracted by how something "looks" then you lose sight of how effective it is. A back with 12 carries for 69 yards with all of them being between 2 and 10 yards long would have done more to help his offense than a guy one 40 yarder and a bunch of 0-2 yarders. The Cowboys had one drive of more than 50 yards on Sunday. ONE! And the running back on that drive was Rico Dowdle. Shall we start the chant to elevate him starter status? We saw three TD drives of less than 50 yards yesterday which if I am not mistaken doubled our total of such drives for the season. Like I said last night.. the defense won this game for us. The offense was rather anemic truth be told. We finished with 291 total yards. We averaged less than 4 ypc as a team.. and passed for less than 6.5 ypa. In both phases one long play, the 45 yard pass to Lamb and the 40 yard run made the numbers look better than they really were. Those 85 yards on two plays accounted for nearly a third of our offensive output. The only way you win games doing that is the defense generates turnovers. Take away those two plays and we have 47 yards rushing and 175 passing. Yay!!!

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

So the standard is now 69 rushing yards in a game? There is no conceivable way anyone would be celebrating if Zeke had a game like this one. People would be screaming that "if not for the one run... yadda yadda yadda.." Just see last week.. Zeke had more yards and a better YPC average than Pollard and all people could latch onto was "if not for the one run... yadda yadda yadda..." You people are amazing.. Pollard aint do diddly on his own. He scored a TD on a run where he was not touched until he was at the second level.. and he broke free because #36 came in and knocked his own man #57 off the tackle. Kudos to him for staying on his feet and having enough left in the tank to house it.. but only having had 10 carries with 3 minutes left in the game keeps a lad fresh.. Or so I'm told. I thought Pollard ran hard overall today.. But please.. let's not make out like was OJ Simpson, Walter Payton and Jim Brown rolled into one yesterday. You cannot come here lauding a guy who got 2/3 of his yards on one play in what amounted to garbage time (because all we really needed to do there was run out the clock) and then proclaim it superior to a guy who gets the same amount of yards in smaller but more consistent increments. Again if you get distracted by how something "looks" then you lose sight of how effective it is. A back with 12 carries for 69 yards with all of them being between 2 and 10 yards long would have done more to help his offense than a guy one 40 yarder and a bunch of 0-2 yarders. The Cowboys had one drive of more than 50 yards on Sunday. ONE! And the running back on that drive was Rico Dowdle. Shall we start the chant to elevate him starter status? We saw three TD drives of less than 50 yards yesterday which if I am not mistaken doubled our total of such drives for the season. Like I said last night.. the defense won this game for us. The offense was rather anemic truth be told. We finished with 291 total yards. We averaged less than 4 ypc as a team.. and passed for less than 6.5 ypa. In both phases one long play, the 45 yard pass to Lamb and the 40 yard run made the numbers look better than they really were. Those 85 yards on two plays accounted for nearly a third of our offensive output. The only way you win games doing that is the defense generates turnovers. Take away those two plays and we have 47 yards rushing and 175 passing. Yay!!!

 

[Aviano90]

So the standard is now 69 rushing yards in a game? There is no conceivable way anyone would be celebrating if Zeke had a game like this one. People would be screaming that "if not for the one run... yadda yadda yadda.." Just see last week.. Zeke had more yards and a better YPC average than Pollard and all people could latch onto was "if not for the one run... yadda yadda yadda..." You people are amazing.. Pollard aint do diddly on his own. He scored a TD on a run where he was not touched until he was at the second level.. and he broke free because #36 came in and knocked his own man #57 off the tackle. Kudos to him for staying on his feet and having enough left in the tank to house it.. but only having had 10 carries with 3 minutes left in the game keeps a lad fresh.. Or so I'm told. I thought Pollard ran hard overall today.. But please.. let's not make out like was OJ Simpson, Walter Payton and Jim Brown rolled into one yesterday. You cannot come here lauding a guy who got 2/3 of his yards on one play in what amounted to garbage time (because all we really needed to do there was run out the clock) and then proclaim it superior to a guy who gets the same amount of yards in smaller but more consistent increments. Again if you get distracted by how something "looks" then you lose sight of how effective it is. A back with 12 carries for 69 yards with all of them being between 2 and 10 yards long would have done more to help his offense than a guy one 40 yarder and a bunch of 0-2 yarders. The Cowboys had one drive of more than 50 yards on Sunday. ONE! And the running back on that drive was Rico Dowdle. Shall we start the chant to elevate him starter status? We saw three TD drives of less than 50 yards yesterday which if I am not mistaken doubled our total of such drives for the season. Like I said last night.. the defense won this game for us. The offense was rather anemic truth be told. We finished with 291 total yards. We averaged less than 4 ypc as a team.. and passed for less than 6.5 ypa. In both phases one long play, the 45 yard pass to Lamb and the 40 yard run made the numbers look better than they really were. Those 85 yards on two plays accounted for nearly a third of our offensive output. The only way you win games doing that is the defense generates turnovers. Take away those two plays and we have 47 yards rushing and 175 passing. Yay!!!

You are comical at this point.

 

[RonnieT24]

The stats are what we have to go on and statistically speaking there is no denying that Zeke is declining the last several years and Pollard is outperforming Zeke when given the chance.

Pollard is outperforming Zeke? Come on man.. at least pretend to be objective here..

Pollard had a decent game yesterday.. but let's look at the previous three games..

WFT
Zeke 10-32
Pollard 4-12

Advantage Zeke

Baltimore
Zeke 18-77
Pollard 8-22

Advantage Zeke

Cincy
Zeke 12-48
Pollard 11-39

Advantage Zeke

Three straight games with fewer yards and a lower ypc .. yet somehow he is "outperforming Zeke?"

What am I missing?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Pollard is outperforming Zeke? Come on man.. at least pretend to be objective here..

Pollard had a decent game yesterday.. but let's look at the previous three games..

WFT
Zeke 10-32
Pollard 4-12

Advantage Zeke

Baltimore
Zeke 18-77
Pollard 8-22

Advantage Zeke

Cincy
Zeke 12-48
Pollard 11-39

Advantage Zeke

Three straight games with fewer yards and a lower ypc .. yet somehow he is "outperforming Zeke?"

What am I missing?

“What am I missing?”

Zeke gets more carries by a 2:1 clip and you’re wondering why Pollard doesn’t have more yards, lulz.

 

[aria]

Ronnie would be spinning this an entirely different way if the back of the jersey said elliott instead of Pollard.

He would be talking about how he had no blocking and had to fight for those “dirty” yards that no other RB in the league could get. He would tell us it was a miracle that he got even one yard with all the trash surrounding him.

 

[RonnieT24]

“What am I missing?”

Zeke gets more carries by a 2:1 clip and you’re wondering why Pollard doesn’t have more yards, lulz.

But he also had a higher YPC in the same games.. Please rationalize that for us.. Should be run.. After all you guys have been telling us all year that the reason Pollard should start was his higher yards per carry.. Then he has a lower yards per carry average for three straight games and suddenly yards per carry becomes unimportant?

Sure..

 

[CATCH17]

So the standard is now 69 rushing yards in a game? There is no conceivable way anyone would be celebrating if Zeke had a game like this one. People would be screaming that "if not for the one run... yadda yadda yadda.." Just see last week.. Zeke had more yards and a better YPC average than Pollard and all people could latch onto was "if not for the one run... yadda yadda yadda..." You people are amazing.. Pollard aint do diddly on his own. He scored a TD on a run where he was not touched until he was at the second level.. and he broke free because #36 came in and knocked his own man #57 off the tackle. Kudos to him for staying on his feet and having enough left in the tank to house it.. but only having had 10 carries with 3 minutes left in the game keeps a lad fresh.. Or so I'm told. I thought Pollard ran hard overall today.. But please.. let's not make out like was OJ Simpson, Walter Payton and Jim Brown rolled into one yesterday. You cannot come here lauding a guy who got 2/3 of his yards on one play in what amounted to garbage time (because all we really needed to do there was run out the clock) and then proclaim it superior to a guy who gets the same amount of yards in smaller but more consistent increments. Again if you get distracted by how something "looks" then you lose sight of how effective it is. A back with 12 carries for 69 yards with all of them being between 2 and 10 yards long would have done more to help his offense than a guy one 40 yarder and a bunch of 0-2 yarders. The Cowboys had one drive of more than 50 yards on Sunday. ONE! And the running back on that drive was Rico Dowdle. Shall we start the chant to elevate him starter status? We saw three TD drives of less than 50 yards yesterday which if I am not mistaken doubled our total of such drives for the season. Like I said last night.. the defense won this game for us. The offense was rather anemic truth be told. We finished with 291 total yards. We averaged less than 4 ypc as a team.. and passed for less than 6.5 ypa. In both phases one long play, the 45 yard pass to Lamb and the 40 yard run made the numbers look better than they really were. Those 85 yards on two plays accounted for nearly a third of our offensive output. The only way you win games doing that is the defense generates turnovers. Take away those two plays and we have 47 yards rushing and 175 passing. Yay!!!

The NFL is about big plays...

When was Zeke at his best?

What has he done since he became a non explosive player that has correlated to winning..

Put the Pom Poms down and look at this realistically..

2016 is gone..

I’ll take for half his price and be happy..

I don’t think Zeke sucks.. I’m a big fan of his game.. His contract and what he provides is a joke though.

I honestly think the Jones’s thought not playing Zeke would help the tanking cause yesterday

 

[jaythecowboy]

That's what Pollard was brought in to do. I think he did a great job. And shame on us for making this Zeke versus Pollard. Even Zeke was cheering Pollard on.

Can't just enjoy the win and a very good performance by Pollard? Gotta have this *****ing and moaning even still.

Pathetic.

Zeke vs Pollard isn't really the point. It is paying Zeke $15 million vs potentially paying a stable of backs $5 million total and getting similar effectiveness to what Zeke gives you. Pollard just happens to be the first back given an opportunity.

 

[kskboys]

The NFL is about big plays...

When was Zeke at his best?

What has he done since he became a non explosive player that has correlated to winning..

Put the Pom Poms down and look at this realistically..

2016 is gone..

I’ll take for half his price and be happy..

I don’t think Zeke sucks.. I’m a big fan of his game.. His contract and what he provides is a joke though.

I honestly think the Jones’s thought not playing Zeke would help the tanking cause yesterday

It did. However, SF took care of that for us, giving us two early TD's!!!!!!

 

[Sarge]

Running back #1 - averages 3.9 YPC , 211 carries with longest run of 26 yards.

Running back #2 - averages 4.7 YPC, 87 carries with longest run of 47 yards.

 

[G2]

Running back #1 - averages 3.9 YPC , 211 carries with longest run of 26 yards.

Running back #2 - averages 4.7 YPC, 87 carries with longest run of 47 yards.

I just don't see how you can compare 87 carries to 211 and not get that it effects the average. I really wish we could fairly compare the 2 Apples to Apples, but it's just not possible.

 

[Sarge]

I just don't see how you can compare 87 carries to 211 and not get that it effects the average. I really wish we could fairly compare the 2 Apples to Apples, but it's just not possible.

There’s also the simple eye test.

 

[RonnieT24]

Running back #1 - averages 3.9 YPC , 211 carries with longest run of 26 yards.

Running back #2 - averages 4.7 YPC, 87 carries with longest run of 47 yards.

RB1 does the heavy lifting and is the focus of the defensive gameplan every week.
RB2 comes in and takes advantage of it. Oh and his longest run is 42 not 47.. Let us strive for accuracy..

The change of pace back SHOULD have a higher YPC average based on how they are used. That's why it's so concerning when he doesn't as has been the case in 6 or 7 games this year.

Think about Pollard's long reception yesterday.. There was no defender within 20 yards of him when he caught the ball.. Then ask yourself when the last time Elliott got ignored by the defense to that extent? If you are even somewhat fair in your evaluation you will acknowledge this simple reality. Teams do not account for Pollard to the same degree that they do Elliott. And he's gonna need a lot more than 69 yards on the ground and 63 pass catching before that changes.

I do have to commend the coaches for waiting until just before game time to scratch Zeke.. That was a shrewd move and I think it gave Pollard an edge as the Niners spent all week game planning for Zeke. Which probably explains the number of times Pollard was uncovered when he went out for passes. The Niner defense simply wasn't paying attention to him on a number of occasions. To his credit he made them pay for that error. Here's hoping he keeps it up!!