Tony Romo among QB's nominated for the HOF

[Captain-Crash]

strange that fans wouldn't want one of their former players to make it in. hum

 

[DallasEast]

...just a little more fodder for the 'Hall of Fame is only for players with playoff wins and it does not matter that football is a team game' counterargument:

• Cleveland Browns' Joe Thomas
• Denver Broncos' Floyd Little
• St. Louis Cardinals' Larry Wilson
• Chicago Bears' Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers

None of the above played in the postseason their entire careers.

And there is recurring discussion point dismissal of players' bad teams not being a factor. Always re-surfaces in any Hall of Fame talk.

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[OGSixshooter]

Right? There is not a one that deserves it. Bulger really? If I had one I would say McNabb. That’s it.

McNabb is not a HOFer either. If he's a HOFer Jim Plunkett is a first ballot HOFer.

 

[OGSixshooter]

...just a little more fodder for the 'Hall of Fame is only for players with playoff wins and it does not matter that football is a team game' counterargument:

• Cleveland Browns' Joe Thomas
• Denver Broncos' Floyd Little
• St. Louis Cardinals' Larry Wilson
• Chicago Bears' Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers

None of the above played in the postseason their entire careers.

And there is recurring discussion point dismissal of players' bad teams not being a factor. Always re-surfaces in any Hall of Fame talk.

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Those players were universally regarded by their peers as talented players on bad teams. Romo had teams stacked with 12 other pro-bowlers and a HOF tight end in Jason Witten and a 2nd ballot HOF DE on the other side of the ball.

I think Romo was respected by many, but not in the reverential way those HOF players you listed above were by their own contemporaries.

 

[OGSixshooter]

QUARTERBACKS (10): Marc Bulger, Randall Cunningham, Jake Delhomme, Doug Flutie,
Rich Gannon, Jeff Garcia, Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair, Tony Romo, Michael Vick.

Randall Cunningham. When I was 15, I nearly switched teams. The Cowboys SUCKED and the Eagles had HIM. It was 1989 and it was all due to the scrambling black QB who could also throw the heck out of the ball. He changed the league and paved the way for many, many other QBs. Randall was special...and his last career resurgence with the Vikings was something to behold. If "impact to the game" is a weight on the scale, Randall MIGHT get a nod from me.

But I agree with most of you guys...none of these guys is worthy of a nod. It's not the "Hall of Very Good". I took a look at the 1st ballot list...to me this is the level that any aspiring inductee has to meet:

Emmitt Smith	2010	Arizona
Eric Dickerson	1999	Atlanta
Deion Sanders	2011	Atlanta
Don Shula	1997	Indianapolis
Rod Woodson	2009	Baltimore
Jonathan Ogden	2013	Baltimore
Deion Sanders	2011	Baltimore
Jim Kelly	2002	Buffalo
Bruce Smith	2009	Buffalo
Reggie White	2006	Carolina
Mike Singletary	1998	Chicago
Anthony Munoz	1998	Cincinnati
Troy Aikman	2006	Dallas
Tony Dorsett	1994	Dallas
Randy White	1994	Dallas
Larry Allen	2013	Dallas
Emmitt Smith	2010	Dallas
Deion Sanders	2011	Dallas
Tony Dorsett	1994	Denver
John Elway	2004	Denver
Barry Sanders	2004	Detroit
Reggie White	2006	Green Bay
Marshall Faulk	2011	Indianapolis
Eric Dickerson	1999	Indianapolis
Warren Moon	2006	Kansas City
Marcus Allen	2003	Kansas City
Joe Montana	2000	Kansas City
Don Shula	1997	Miami
Dan Marino	2005	Miami
Warren Moon	2006	Minnesota
Lawrence Taylor	1999	NY Giants
Ronnie Lott	2000	NY Jets
Warren Sapp	2013	Oakland
Ronnie Lott	2000	Oakland
Rod Woodson	2009	Oakland
Marcus Allen	2003	Oakland
Jerry Rice	2010	Oakland
Eric Dickerson	1999	Oakland
Reggie White	2006	Philadelphia
Rod Woodson	2009	Pittsburgh
Steve Young	2005	San Francisco
Ronnie Lott	2000	San Francisco
Rod Woodson	2009	San Francisco
Larry Allen	2013	San Francisco
Joe Montana	2000	San Francisco
Jerry Rice	2010	San Francisco
Deion Sanders	2011	San Francisco
Warren Moon	2006	Seattle
Steve Largent	1995	Seattle
Jerry Rice	2010	Seattle
Marshall Faulk	2011	St. Louis
Jackie Slater	2001	St. Louis
Eric Dickerson	1999	St. Louis
Warren Sapp	2013	Tampa Bay
Steve Young	2005	Tampa Bay
Warren Moon	2006	Tennessee
Bruce Matthews	2007	Tennessee
Deion Sanders	2011	Washington
Darrell Green	2008	Washington
Bruce Smith	2009	Washington

 

[Big_D]

strange that fans wouldn't want one of their former players to make it in. hum

Very strange to the point where they would actually be upset if he did get in. Just another day in the zone!

 

[5Stars]

Poor dude never gets any respect...

 

[Big_D]

So Romo didn't need consistency or quality decisions from the front office. Just supposed to rely on what Parcells did for a full 6 years after he left? The drafts stunk. Jerry certainly killed what could've been a hall of fame career.

 

[G2]

His numbers are on par/better than Kurt Warner's.

Regular season.

 

[G2]

strange that fans wouldn't want one of their former players to make it in. hum

Same as fans who trash the current Dallas QB, you'd think they'd want him to succeed, right?

 

[DallasEast]

Those players were universally regarded by their peers as talented players on bad teams. Romo had teams stacked with 12 other pro-bowlers and a HOF tight end in Jason Witten and a 2nd ballot HOF DE on the other side of the ball.

I think Romo was respected by many, but not in the reverential way those HOF players you listed above were by their own contemporaries.

'Reverential'. That's new to these discussions. I like it.

 

[treykin32]

With only 2 wild card playoff wins, his resume’ is ROH worthy, but not HOF worthy. If he had had more than one single gw drive on his playoff ledger, maybe.

Oh yeah he was 8 tds 2 ints in playoff games. Maybe if he had just a little but better run game or just a little bit better defense or just a little bit better oline play his whole career with Dallas he would have had more than 2 playoff wins.

 

[Big_D]

Oh yeah he was 8 tds 2 ints in playoff games. Maybe if he had just a little but better run game or just a little bit better defense or just a little bit better oline play his whole career with Dallas he would have had more than 2 playoff wins.

One of those seasons.. I forget which year because they were so pathetic.. a total of 1 rushing TD in the final 5 games of the season and it was Romo. lol

 

[Hennessy_King]

He absolutely does have a valid argument. The comparisons to Marino (and Tarkenton and other great players who never won a SB) were in response to assertions that Romo doesn’t have the hardware or whatever to be in the HOF. This is a false assumption. That is why I mentioned Archie Manning because I was under the mistaken impression that he was in the HOF, likely because I heard it a long time ago and conflated college HOF with the NFL HOF. Nevertheless, there are other examples like the ones provided that make the same point. Now, if you don’t think he has the stats or wasn’t good enough or didn’t have enough playoff wins that is a more rational judgement, but induction into the HOF is primarily an individual matter, not a team one. Being a QB of a team that wins a SB helps to put a player in, but it is not enough because there are also plenty of SB winning QBs who aren’t in the HOF, e.g., Dilfer, Rypien, etc. The contrary is not only the case for QBs, but for other players as well. The fact of the matter is, Romo’s induction into the HOF should not be just a matter of team accomplishments in the postseason. A wholistic analysis of why he did not enjoy success must be made along with his great organizational and general stats as an individual QB outside of them. For one, Romo was under Garrett as his OC and head coach for most of his career and Jerry without McClay as GM. Compare that to Marino being under HOF coach Shula and the winningest coach in the NFL for much of his. There are other stats like defensive rankings of teams that won SBs and the like. I’m not going to go into all of them. Suffice is to say that the argument that he doesn’t have enough playoff wins or SBs is not enough to keep him out.

I would say 13 seasons only 4 pro bowls, no all pro selections, no mvps and no postseason success is why he shouldnt make it in. He was never considered an elite qb he finally got into the tier dak is in that 5-10 range in 2014. Thats it before that he was a top 10-15 qb.

 

[OGSixshooter]

I would say 13 seasons only 4 pro bowls, no all pro selections, no mvps and no postseason success is why he shouldnt make it in. He was never considered an elite qb he finally got into the tier dak is in that 5-10 range in 2014. Thats it before that he was a top 10-15 qb.

exactly...he never won the respect of his peers. He was a good QB...but his peers thought there were better QBs. And of course, there were. Romo almost admits this regularly during his broadcasts when he points out things that he used to do!

 

[Captain-Crash]

Very strange to the point where they would actually be upset if he did get in. Just another day in the zone!

yep, sad day.

 

[Diehardblues]

I would say 13 seasons only 4 pro bowls, no all pro selections, no mvps and no postseason success is why he shouldnt make it in. He was never considered an elite qb he finally got into the tier dak is in that 5-10 range in 2014. Thats it before that he was a top 10-15 qb.

Right… and he basically only had 7 full seasons out of those 13.

But 2014 when he was in the running for MVP was his most effective season. That offense was close to championship caliber . Those Triplets never fielded together again. And he never played an entire season again.

Would have been interesting to see 2014 Romo for a few more years. He just couldn’t stay on the field.

 

[Diehardblues]

Very strange to the point where they would actually be upset if he did get in. Just another day in the zone!

Unfortunately in Social Media it becomes more about being right than fandom to many hacks.

 

[Diehardblues]

McNabb is not a HOFer either. If he's a HOFer Jim Plunkett is a first ballot HOFer.

I don’t think any of the QB’s nominated this year are HOF. And none will probably be inducted.

And the only Cowboy on the list or best shot is Darren Woodson who I believe will eventually get in. The rest are marginal at best.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I would say 13 seasons only 4 pro bowls, no all pro selections, no mvps and no postseason success is why he shouldnt make it in. He was never considered an elite qb he finally got into the tier dak is in that 5-10 range in 2014. Thats it before that he was a top 10-15 qb.

He didn’t start until halfway through his forth season and was injured during most of two. That gives him a little over seven full seasons. Four pro bowls in seven seasons is greater than 50%. That’s more than Dak has made in the same amount of seasons. It’s funny that you think Dak is 5-10 and he’s never been in the MVP conversation. Romo at least finished close to the highest rated QB and MVP Rogers that year within 1/10th of a decimal point or something like that. And statistically, he’s been top 5 multiple times. When he retired he was top 9 in QB rating and had all Cowboys passing records.