Tony Romo best Cowboy QB of all time

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Sorry, false. Not even close

Staubach is greatest. Hands down best I've seen play for this organization.

Aikman is #2 due to the scrutiny and beating he took early on only to be the glue come playoff time where his accuracy ruled

Romo is a great QB but sorry you have to take the QB as a whole and Romo failed....a lot...when needed early on. As the years have passed he has become a great QB but rings do matter and putting your team in a position to win is also there. Great QB, not even close to Cowboys greatest.
 

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I agree, Romo had one year of (almost) the triplets to. I love Tony but I did watch Rodger and Troy also. It's just opinion but I Rank Tony third against those two. Until last year I never felt as comfortable with Tony in comparison. Simply because he has to do so much to elevate the team. That is what has been his Achilles heel.

"Rodger".

Might as well call him "Starback".

Hand in your fancard.

You FAIL.

Good day.

I SAID, GOOD DAY!
 

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I hate to cross you because I know you will pummel me with numbers, but Staubach's ratings only show that he was efficient when he threw. And I think a lot of that was about his ability to run.

It said zero about his ability to throw, because of the era.

I don't like the QBR system at all, especially when you spread it deeper into that era.

Its the era he did it in which makes it most impressive.
 

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This thread has been enjoyable and while we've tried to be objective it is difficult to separate personal preference, especially when discussing some of the great players in team history. I've seen the careers of all three. I've tried to objectively look at them through 14 categories:

Category

Staubach

Aikman

Romo

Size/strength

2

1

3

Arm strength/velocity

2

1

3

Accuracy (all throws)

3

1

2

Release/mechanics

2

1

3

Best deep ball

2

1

3

Ball handling/play action/screens

1

3

2

Improvisational skill

2

3

1

Mobility/escapability in pocket

2

3

1

Scrambling/running

1

3

2

Field leadership

1

2

3

Grace under pressure

1

2

3

Big game performance

1-T

1-T

3

Mental toughness

1

2

3

Physical toughness

1-T

1-T

1-T





Totals

S = 22

A = 25

R = 33

Average Category Rank

S = 1.57

A = 1.79

R = 2.36

Trying to be as objective as I could be, the totals/average above end up just as I would place the QBs in order of greatness: 1. Staubach, 2. Aikman, 3. Romo. And, as the tallies turned out, they are in agreement with my opinion that I have long held, namely that Staubach is the best QB in Cowboys history, and that the distance between Staubach and Aikman is closer than the gap between Aikman and Romo.

This is just my take and you guys can roll with the categories (and others you might come up with) and rankings.

In a big game against a great opponent, give me Roger, then Aikman.

(I tried to import a table from a Word.doc but could not. I apologize for the format and my lack of technical skills.) :)

I gotta roll with this.
 

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Thanks for thinking it through.

Well I agree about the part that Romo can handle the pressure better now at this point in his career, not the Staubach is better part :grin:
Anyway, it's an interesting conversation and I enjoy reading opinions from people who've seen them all
 

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I guess you can tell the relative age of each poster in this thread and exactly how much football they have watched of all of our top QBs beyond NFL Films slow motion.

It kind of bothers me that there are now fans who never got to see Aikman play live.

Or White. Or Staubach for that matter.

You missed good things. And it puts it all into perspective.
For those who weren't around back then, the way people talk about Manning and Brady right now, that's the way people talked about Staubach in the 70's. Staubach led the league in passing four times. That's extremely difficult to do. Manning or Brady didn't do that, and probably won't do that (Brady has to do it two more times). Both Brady and Manning won their first passing title in their seventh season as starters. By his seventh full season as a starter, Staubach had already won three passing titles, and would have won more if he hadn't sat out of football completely for five years from age 22-27.

Staubach had a career rating of 83.4 when the average rating was 65.2, so it translates into a career rating of 107.8 today. To put that into perspective, Peyton Manning, who's probably done, has a career rating of 96.5, and Aaron Rodgers, who is in his prime and still has the downside of his career ahead of him, only has a rating of 105.6 over his career.
 

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Unfortunately the most voiceterous and least informed.

I don't fault the kids for not being informed. I think fans should be like players.

Educate yourself on the game and the history.

Until you do, remain silent because you don't know a damn thing about it.

I still remember being a stupid six year old truly understanding the game and my dad gave me a book about NFL history. I read it.

It was called "greatest games" or something. There were actually things in there about the Commander/Cowboy rivalry in the Meredith days. I wish I could find that book again now, because it was awesome.

It taught me a little something.
 

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For those who weren't around back then, the way people talk about Manning and Brady right now, that's the way people talked about Staubach in the 70's. Staubach led the league in passing four times. That's extremely difficult to do. Manning or Brady didn't do that, and probably won't do that (Brady has to do it two more times). Both Brady and Manning won their first passing title in their seventh season as starters. By his seventh full season as a starter, Staubach had already won three passing titles, and would have won more if he hadn't sat out of football completely for five years from age 22-27.

Staubach had a career rating of 83.4 when the average rating was 65.2, so it translates into a career rating of 107.8 today. To put that into perspective, Peyton Manning, who's probably done, has a career rating of 96.5, and Aaron Rodgers, who is in his prime and still has the downside of his career ahead of him, only has a rating of 105.6 over his career.

I agree, but passing was not a big deal back then. It is almost like a rusher now. Who cares?

It was all about the runners. Different game, no question.

But no question, even then, it was a case where Staubach could KILL you if two minute and everyone knew it.
 

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I don't fault the kids for not being informed. I think fans should be like players.

Educate yourself on the game and the history.

Until you do, remain silent because you don't know a damn thing about it.

I still remember being a stupid six year old truly understanding the game and my dad gave me a book about NFL history. I read it.

It was called "greatest games" or something. There were actually things in there about the Commander/Cowboy rivalry in the Meredith days. I wish I could find that book again now, because it was awesome.

It taught me a little something.

I feel bad for those who missed the "golden era". To me it was the best of times.
 

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I feel bad for those who missed the "golden era". To me it was the best of times.

I guess it is just a product of getting old.

But that era had real teams and there were dynasties galore.

There was order!

 

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For those who weren't around back then, the way people talk about Manning and Brady right now, that's the way people talked about Staubach in the 70's. Staubach led the league in passing four times. That's extremely difficult to do. Manning or Brady didn't do that, and probably won't do that (Brady has to do it two more times). Both Brady and Manning won their first passing title in their seventh season as starters. By his seventh full season as a starter, Staubach had already won three passing titles, and would have won more if he hadn't sat out of football completely for five years from age 22-27.

Staubach had a career rating of 83.4 when the average rating was 65.2, so it translates into a career rating of 107.8 today. To put that into perspective, Peyton Manning, who's probably done, has a career rating of 96.5, and Aaron Rodgers, who is in his prime and still has the downside of his career ahead of him, only has a rating of 105.6 over his career.

That post says it all and that's what put Staubach at the top.

Staubach led the league in passer rating 4 times... Romo's never led it even once.

To name Romo #1, conveniently ignores the greatness of Roger Staubach.
 

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For those who weren't around back then, the way people talk about Manning and Brady right now, that's the way people talked about Staubach in the 70's. Staubach led the league in passing four times. That's extremely difficult to do. Manning or Brady didn't do that, and probably won't do that (Brady has to do it two more times). Both Brady and Manning won their first passing title in their seventh season as starters. By his seventh full season as a starter, Staubach had already won three passing titles, and would have won more if he hadn't sat out of football completely for five years from age 22-27.

Staubach had a career rating of 83.4 when the average rating was 65.2, so it translates into a career rating of 107.8 today. To put that into perspective, Peyton Manning, who's probably done, has a career rating of 96.5, and Aaron Rodgers, who is in his prime and still has the downside of his career ahead of him, only has a rating of 105.6 over his career.

Great post, percy, as always.

And not only did Staubach not play football for five years after leaving Navy he also did not see much of the field for two years after joining the Cowboys. It wasn't until the eighth game of the 71 season that Coach Landry named Roger as the starter (after alternating him and Craig Morton for the first seven games). Once he put Roger in, Dallas went on a 10-game winning streak culminating in the win over Miami in SBVI.

I think just about anyone on this forum who watched Staubach play believes the Cowboys would have beaten Baltimore in SBV if Roger was given a chance. Morton was terribly off his game that day. I, personally, have no doubt Dallas would have six Lombardi's if Coach Landry had entrusted Staubach with the starting role in 1970. But Coach was always loyal to veteran players. And Dallas had invested a no. 5 draft pick in Morton in 1965.

Also, Staubach did not only essentially miss out on seven seasons of peak physical condition (ages 22-28) due to his Naval commitment and having a first round selection and veteran ahead of him on the depth chart, he also was forced to retire when he was still at the top of his game. He threw 52 TDs (25 in 1978, 27 in 1979) when he was 36 and 37, and that was when only 12 QBs total over 1978-79 threw for more than 20 TDs in those seasons. If not for the cumulative effect of his concussions, Staubach could have produced at a high level until he was 40. Had he, I also believe he would have led Dallas to at least one more SB appearance, either against Oakland in SBXV or Cincinnati in SBXVI. Although Oakland got on a roll in the playoffs, Dallas beat them in Oakland late in the season, and I think a Staubach-led Dallas team could have beaten the Raiders. I'm also certain the Cowboys would have beaten the Bengals the following year with Danny White at QB, so how much more certain would I have been with Staubach?

In a decade that featured Terry Bradshaw, Bob Griese, Fran Tarkenton, Len Dawson, Ken Stabler and Sonny Jurgensen, Staubach was universally hailed as the best QB of that era.

There truly was a sense that with Staubach, the Cowboys could win any game. Even in SBXIII - the single greatest sports-related heartache in my life - I thought that if the Cowboys could have recovered a second onside kick that Roger would have led them to victory over Pittsburgh.

It will always stick in my crawl that Bradshaw got four rings to Roger's two. Staubach was clearly the superior player.

Another thing, in the 1975 and 78 playoffs, Pittsburgh rolled through people, beating Baltimore, Oakland, Denver and Houston by a combined 111-35 those two years. The Steelers dominated the best AFC teams and won each of those games going away. There wasn't an NFC team that could have stayed on the field with the Steelers in SBs X and XIII. Staubach gave the Cowboys chances in both of those games. His teammates let him down, not vice versa.

With a couple of breaks in either SB vs. the Steelers, had Staubach played in SBV and if he could have extended his career and continued at the level he displayed from 1977-79, he could have left the game with four or five rings.

As I said in an earlier post, in a high stakes game vs. a great opponent, the only QB I'd consider ahead of Roger Staubach would be Joe Montana. Johnny Unitas is close, too. I would not take any of today's great QBs over Staubach in that situation.

From where I stand, Staubach is in the top 5 all-time.
 

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I feel bad for those who missed the "golden era". To me it was the best of times.

Every year was like Christmas. I never even worried if we would make the playoffs or not. It was always if we made the SB. I think Cowboy fans got spoiled. I wish we can get spoiled again but it seems like we've been in hell for 20 years. When will it ever stop?
 

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Sorry, false. Not even close

Staubach is greatest. Hands down best I've seen play for this organization.

Aikman is #2 due to the scrutiny and beating he took early on only to be the glue come playoff time where his accuracy ruled

Romo is a great QB but sorry you have to take the QB as a whole and Romo failed....a lot...when needed early on. As the years have passed he has become a great QB but rings do matter and putting your team in a position to win is also there. Great QB, not even close to Cowboys greatest.

I agree, but enjoyed watching Aikman more except when playing the Eagles with their pass rush.
 
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