It's his team stats that are the problem.
This thread has been enjoyable and while we've tried to be objective it is difficult to separate personal preference, especially when discussing some of the great players in team history. I've seen the careers of all three. I've tried to objectively look at them through 14 categories:
Category
Staubach
Aikman
Romo
Size/strength
2
1
3
Arm strength/velocity
2
1
3
Accuracy (all throws)
3
1
2
Release/mechanics
2
1
3
Best deep ball
2
1
3
Ball handling/play action/screens
1
3
2
Improvisational skill
2
3
1
Mobility/escapability in pocket
2
3
1
Scrambling/running
1
3
2
Field leadership
1
2
3
Grace under pressure
1
2
3
Big game performance
1-T
1-T
3
Mental toughness
1
2
3
Physical toughness
1-T
1-T
1-T
Totals
S = 22
A = 25
R = 33
Average Category Rank
S = 1.57
A = 1.79
R = 2.36
Trying to be as objective as I could be, the totals/average above end up just as I would place the QBs in order of greatness: 1. Staubach, 2. Aikman, 3. Romo. And, as the tallies turned out, they are in agreement with my opinion that I have long held, namely that Staubach is the best QB in Cowboys history, and that the distance between Staubach and Aikman is closer than the gap between Aikman and Romo.
This is just my take and you guys can roll with the categories (and others you might come up with) and rankings.
In a big game against a great opponent, give me Roger, then Aikman.
(I tried to import a table from a Word.doc but could not. I apologize for the format and my lack of technical skills.)
This thread has been enjoyable and while we've tried to be objective it is difficult to separate personal preference, especially when discussing some of the great players in team history. I've seen the careers of all three. I've tried to objectively look at them through 14 categories:
Category
Staubach
Aikman
Romo
Size/strength
2
1
3
Arm strength/velocity
2
1
3
Accuracy (all throws)
3
1
2
Release/mechanics
2
1
3
Best deep ball
2
1
3
Ball handling/play action/screens
1
3
2
Improvisational skill
2
3
1
Mobility/escapability in pocket
2
3
1
Scrambling/running
1
3
2
Field leadership
1
2
3
Grace under pressure
1
2
3
Big game performance
1-T
1-T
3
Mental toughness
1
2
3
Physical toughness
1-T
1-T
1-T
Totals
S = 22
A = 25
R = 33
Average Category Rank
S = 1.57
A = 1.79
R = 2.36
Trying to be as objective as I could be, the totals/average above end up just as I would place the QBs in order of greatness: 1. Staubach, 2. Aikman, 3. Romo. And, as the tallies turned out, they are in agreement with my opinion that I have long held, namely that Staubach is the best QB in Cowboys history, and that the distance between Staubach and Aikman is closer than the gap between Aikman and Romo.
This is just my take and you guys can roll with the categories (and others you might come up with) and rankings.
In a big game against a great opponent, give me Roger, then Aikman.
(I tried to import a table from a Word.doc but could not. I apologize for the format and my lack of technical skills.)
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I've never seen Aikman or Staubach play. I have a hard time believing that they could be better than Romo, but I can't formulate an informed opinion without having seen them all play. Born just too late for the glory days
I've never seen Aikman or Staubach play. I have a hard time believing that they could be better than Romo, but I can't formulate an informed opinion without having seen them all play. Born just too late for the glory days
/ threadI love debates like this. They're the essence of what forums like this one were intended for -- not forum politics/melodrama.
That said, some people have yet to realize that Romo and Aikman were Top 5 QB of their eras, but Staubach is Top 5 all time.
If you haven't seen this website, check it out. Everybody has their own opinion about who the greatest QB were, but almost everyone spends more time and effort defending their opinion than educating it. This link takes you to the most intelligent attempt at quantifying the issue that I know of.
http://quarterbackscore.webs.com/
The more seasons a QB played when he wasn't a top 10 passer that season, the more it will bring down his average season. That's why I like to look at "5 best" and "10 best seasons," that leave out the years that the player isn't best known for. There's no line that can really be drawn that determines how many seasons are enough in order for a player to make his mark. A player who ranks highly on a list that includes every season obviously had a distinguished career, but there are a few players whose careers don't fit that pattern of consistency over a long period who were legends nevertheless. The list below looks at the player's 5 best seasons.
This thread has been enjoyable and while we've tried to be objective it is difficult to separate personal preference, especially when discussing some of the great players in team history. I've seen the careers of all three. I've tried to objectively look at them through 14 categories:
Category
Staubach
Aikman
Romo
Size/strength
2
1
3
Arm strength/velocity
2
1
3
Accuracy (all throws)
3
1
2
Release/mechanics
2
1
3
Best deep ball
2
1
3
Ball handling/play action/screens
1
3
2
Improvisational skill
2
3
1
Mobility/escapability in pocket
2
3
1
Scrambling/running
1
3
2
Field leadership
1
2
3
Grace under pressure
1
2
3
Big game performance
1-T
1-T
3
Mental toughness
1
2
3
Physical toughness
1-T
1-T
1-T
Totals
S = 22
A = 25
R = 33
Average Category Rank
S = 1.57
A = 1.79
R = 2.36
Trying to be as objective as I could be, the totals/average above end up just as I would place the QBs in order of greatness: 1. Staubach, 2. Aikman, 3. Romo. And, as the tallies turned out, they are in agreement with my opinion that I have long held, namely that Staubach is the best QB in Cowboys history, and that the distance between Staubach and Aikman is closer than the gap between Aikman and Romo.
This is just my take and you guys can roll with the categories (and others you might come up with) and rankings.
In a big game against a great opponent, give me Roger, then Aikman.
(I tried to import a table from a Word.doc but could not. I apologize for the format and my lack of technical skills.)
I love debates like this. They're the essence of what forums like this one were intended for -- not forum politics/melodrama.
That said, some people have yet to realize that Romo and Aikman were Top 5 QB of their eras, but Staubach is Top 5 all time.
If you haven't seen this website, check it out. Everybody has their own opinion about who the greatest QB were, but almost everyone spends more time and effort defending their opinion than educating it. This link takes you to the most intelligent attempt at quantifying the issue that I know of.
http://quarterbackscore.webs.com/
The more seasons a QB played when he wasn't a top 10 passer that season, the more it will bring down his average season. That's why I like to look at "5 best" and "10 best seasons," that leave out the years that the player isn't best known for. There's no line that can really be drawn that determines how many seasons are enough in order for a player to make his mark. A player who ranks highly on a list that includes every season obviously had a distinguished career, but there are a few players whose careers don't fit that pattern of consistency over a long period who were legends nevertheless. The list below looks at the player's 5 best seasons.
