Tony Romo, The Man with the Stats

[silverbear]

You guys can go back and forth all you want. The fact is that you can count the number of Superbowl winning teams led by 35+ year old QBs on one hand.

While true, it's completely irrelevant to this discussion... a certain troll told us categorically that Romo's "window" was the next two years... I showed where other quarterbacks have won while older than that...

Clearly, if Romo chooses and his game doesn't deteriorate, he could win a Super Bowl in his late 30s too... I have no idea if he even wants to play that long, but given that he's often said Favre was his idol, that might be in the back of his mind...

But the point was, and remains, that the troll was just trolling when he told us if Romo doesn't win a Super Bowl in the next two years, he never will... he has no way of knowing that, and history shows us that other quarterbacks have seen Super Bowl action while older than Romo will be in three years' time...

Elway did it riding on the coattails of 3858 rushing yards over their two super bowl seasons.

In the Superbowl against the Packers (his 1st victory) he was 12/22 for 123 yards, 0 TDs, and 1 Interception. Basically he was a bus-driver at that point.

While true, once again it's completely irrelevant to the argument we're having here...

If you want to make yourself believe Romo's "window" goes beyond age 35 up to age 40 that's fine, but the odds are stacked against him.

Of course they are, never suggested they weren't... but on the flip side, perhaps you can concede that the suggestion, no, the insistence that Romo has to win a Super Bowl in the next two years or he never will is a huge mound of bovine fecal matter...

I mean, if it's been done before, it can be done again...

It seems pretty clear to me that you didn't understand the argument before you weighed in with your two cents' worth, so let me ask you-- are you saying it's impossible for Romo to win a Super Bowl when he gets to his mid to late 30s??

That was the premise forwarded by Roddy the Troll...

 

[silverbear]

Well Romo isn't old yet, but I do think we should start looking for the QB of the future pretty soon to develop and wouldn't be against another middle pick of a QB in the next draft. Its the most important position on the field, and needs to be developed at all times.

I think the Cowboys should spend a second or third rounder on one of the following:

Landry Jones, Oklahoma
Geno Smith, West Virginia
Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah

Jones and Smith would be second round targets, Sorensen would rate third round consideration (as things stand now)...

In "normal" years, any one of these three might be considered a first round prospect, but this will be rather an extraordinary year for quarterbacks, with the likes of USC's Matt Barkley, Arkansas' Tyler Wilson, underclassman Logan Thomas from Virginia Tech, underclassman Tyler Bray from Tennessee and possibly EJ Manuel from Florida State all ranking ahead of the three QBs I'm looking at...

Yeah, I think you're on to something when you say this is the year the Boys might want to look at drafting Romo's eventual heir to the starting job... you won't see a QB class like this again any time soon...

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I think the Cowboys should spend a second or third rounder on one of the following:

Landry Jones, Oklahoma
Geno Smith, West Virginia
Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah

Jones and Smith would be second round targets, Sorensen would rate third round consideration (as things stand now)...

In "normal" years, any one of these three might be considered a first round prospect, but this will be rather an extraordinary year for quarterbacks, with the likes of USC's Matt Barkley, Arkansas' Tyler Wilson, underclassman Logan Thomas from Virginia Tech, underclassman Tyler Bray from Tennessee and possibly EJ Manuel from Florida State all ranking ahead of the three QBs I'm looking at...

Yeah, I think you're on to something when you say this is the year the Boys might want to look at drafting Romo's eventual heir to the starting job... you won't see a QB class like this again any time soon...

Yeah I'm always for developing the QB position, cause you just never know what could happen. I don't want to end up with the Quincy's and Hutch's of the world again, and now is as good of time as any to pick one up to develop.

JG has reportedly shown interest in a QB before, so it wouldn't be a stretch at all for him to take one, after all he did come up the ranks as a QB coach. I do have a feeling as long as he is our HC, we won't be hurting for long at QB ever, and believe me thats a good feeling.

I will have to give the QB class next year a deeper look, but I do disagree with the Peyton theory that a 1st round QB has to start immediately, its actually much better if they can sit a year or two unless you get them first overall or something (hopefully we wont be in that situation).

I would welcome the pick, its never a waste to develop the most important position in football even if we do have Orton as a stopgate.

 

[rodd94]

I get some stick on this site but hey, And yes i do feel that Romo has 2/3 years. You do realise that Romo is out of contract after the 2013 season. So yes 2 years left. Also these players are free agents after THIS season. Check the names.

2013 Free Agents
Victor Butler, Barry Church, Kenyon Coleman, Phil Costa, Clifton Geathers, Mike Jenkins, Felix Jones, L.P. Ladouceur, Danny McCray, Stephen McGee, Kevin Ogletree, John Phillips, Brodney Pool, Anthony Spencer,

Now tell me as this team has very little cap room who out of those do we resign and who do we let go?

 

[silverbear]

Now tell me as this team has very little cap room who out of those do we resign and who do we let go?

You keep on woofing about how we have "very little cap room", and frankly, you don't know what you're talking about... so your challenge is a simple one, tell us exactly how much cap room the Cowboys have next year...

And once you realize that our cap situation is considerably better than you seem to think it is, you might understand why the rest of your argument is garbage, too...

One final observation-- if you think there's a snowball's chance in Hades that Jerry Jones will let Tony Romo go to another team when his current contract runs out, then you really don't have a flippin' clue...

 

[silverbear]

2013 Free Agents
Victor Butler, Barry Church, Kenyon Coleman, Phil Costa, Clifton Geathers, Mike Jenkins, Felix Jones, L.P. Ladouceur, Danny McCray, Stephen McGee, Kevin Ogletree, John Phillips, Brodney Pool, Anthony Spencer,

Now tell me as this team has very little cap room who out of those do we resign and who do we let go?

Most of those players are easily replaced-- Butler, Church, Coleman, Costa, Geathers, Ladouceur, Ogletree, all JAGs... Jenkins is probably gone no matter what (he won't want to accept a backup role behind Carr and Claiborne, IMO)... basically, the only players from that group that I'd want badly to keep would be Felix, McCray, Phillips, Pool (if he plays up to his contract this year) and Spencer... McCray and Phillips wouldn't cost much to re-sign...

And once again, you clearly have no idea how much dead money will be coming off our cap after this season... where you got the idea we're cap-strapped, I have no idea, but you certainly didn't hear it from the two most definitive sources, AdamJT13 and Stephen Jones...

Perhaps before going off on a "we're screwed by the cap next year" rant, you should make some effort to find out what our cap situation really is...

Oh wait a sec, I forgot, you're a troll... never mind, I know that trolls don't do facts...

 

[erod]

Stats are virtually meaningless. I wish they were never invented.

Jeff George had great stats.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Stats are virtually meaningless. I wish they were never invented.

Jeff George had great stats.

Some kind of "stats" are used as a gauge on almost everything

 

[jobberone]

Staubach was 35 for his last. Unitas 36,37. Dawson 34. Starr 33 or 34. I might have missed one.

 

[Afigueroa22]

Stats are virtually meaningless. I wish they were never invented.

Jeff George had great stats.

I wouldn't say they are meaningless. I think Emmitt would agree that his 18,355 yards means something.

 

[DFWJC]

Staubach was 35 for his last. Unitas 36,37. Dawson 34. Starr 33 or 34. I might have missed one.

I think the mental side of it is bigger now than ever. Defenses are more complex, QBs have far more flexibiitly to audible, and passing offensive sets use more than 2 WRs more often than not.

This is favorable for older QBs as long as they stay upright and don't have any major injuries.

Elway won two in his late 30s (37 and 38).

Favre (40) and Warner (37) also easily could have won SBs right before retirement.

 

[jobberone]

I think the mental side of it is bigger now than ever. Defenses are more complex, QBs have far more flexibiitly to audible, and passing offensive sets use more than 2 WRs more often than not.

This is favorable for older QBs as long as they stay upright and don't have any major injuries.

Favre and Warner also easily could have won SBs right before retirement.

Add in year round film study yada and conditioning as well as nutrition, too. Better medical care esp orthopedics.

 

[rodd94]

Most of those players are easily replaced-- Butler, Church, Coleman, Costa, Geathers, Ladouceur, Ogletree, all JAGs... Jenkins is probably gone no matter what (he won't want to accept a backup role behind Carr and Claiborne, IMO)... basically, the only players from that group that I'd want badly to keep would be Felix, McCray, Phillips, Pool (if he plays up to his contract this year) and Spencer... McCray and Phillips wouldn't cost much to re-sign...

And once again, you clearly have no idea how much dead money will be coming off our cap after this season... where you got the idea we're cap-strapped, I have no idea, but you certainly didn't hear it from the two most definitive sources, AdamJT13 and Stephen Jones...

Perhaps before going off on a "we're screwed by the cap next year" rant, you should make some effort to find out what our cap situation really is...

Oh wait a sec, I forgot, you're a troll... never mind, I know that trolls don't do facts...

We have less than $2m available this year. And as for me being a troll keep up with the mouth because you obviously cant see the woods for the trees. It must be all peachy and Rosy there cause where I'm sitting it's not. You do also remember Dallas LOSE $5m off the cap next season also? Also you bang on about the OL needing continuity and it'll all be fine, yet you say here that Costa can easily be replaced? Shut your mouth.

 

[silverbear]

We have less than $2m available this year.

ROTFLMAO... thank you SO much for proving my point, troll... now everybody who has clue knows that you don't...

Come June 1st, the Boys get six million dollars in cap room, thanks to the release of Terence Newman... oooops, didn't know that, did you?? The can also create right around another mil by parting ways with Kenyon Coleman, who looks to be squarely on the bubble... so now we're looking at around 9 mil in cap room, though something under 3 million must be reserved for signing their draft picks, and to form and pay a practice squad... so we're looking at right around 6 million in cap room, plenty to sign another free agent or two if players they like become available later this preseason...

And exactly how much more do you expect the Boys to do this year, anyway?? Eight freaking free agents signed isn't enough for you??

And as for me being a troll keep up with the mouth because you obviously cant see the woods for the trees.

Oh, you haven't even BEGUN to hear from this mouth, troll... anybody who comes into a Dallas Cowboys forum predicting an early injury to Romo, indeed sounding like he's looking forward to Romo getting injured, is a pure troll... anybody who comes into a Cowboys forum predicting the team will start 0-13...

These are reactions calculated to piss the fans in here off, and we call folks who set out to piss off total strangers on a message board trolls... if you don't like being called what you are, you have three choices:

1) Leave the board
2) Modify your behavior
3) Choke on it

You do also remember Dallas LOSE $5m off the cap next season also?

And I have read that we'll gain somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 million when the dead money comes off the cap after this season... I'm not entirely certain about that number, perhaps somebody could ask AdamJT13 about the right numbers, but it's a significant number... far more than we need to offset that five million...

Oooooops, you didn't know that either, did you?? In fact, the sheer volume of what you don't know staggers the mind (clearly, it's staggered yours)...

Also you bang on about the OL needing continuity and it'll all be fine, yet you say here that Costa can easily be replaced?

Yes, Costa can be replaced... he will be in the mix for the starting job, but will see a LOT of competition this training camp...

And I don't believe I ever hammered "continuity" as a reason for improvement; how much continuity can you hope for when you have a new offensive line coach, changing your blocking schemes, and you brought in two new guards in free agency??

I believe I mentioned the switch of tackles, Free to RT, Smith to LT... I believe I mentioned the new approach that Callahan will bring making a difference, but I don't recall arguing "continuity"...

But hey, don't let that stop you from distorting my argument in a feeble effort to defend your trolling... clearly, the truth is not your friend, so you pretty much have to resort to deceit...

Shut your mouth

Yeah, that'll happen... better men than you have tried to make that happen in my 14 years on these boards (going back to the days of the Cowboys' newsgroup), and the ol' mouth is still right here...

I'm every troll's worst nightmare, and now it appears I'm yours...

 

[Primetime42]

ROTFLMAO... thank you SO much for proving my point, troll... now everybody who has clue knows that you don't...

Come June 1st, the Boys get six million dollars in cap room, thanks to the release of Terence Newman... oooops, didn't know that, did you?? The can also create right around another mil by parting ways with Kenyon Coleman, who looks to be squarely on the bubble... so now we're looking at around 9 mil in cap room, though something under 3 million must be reserved for signing their draft picks, and to form and pay a practice squad... so we're looking at right around 6 million in cap room, plenty to sign another free agent or two if players they like become available later this preseason...

And exactly how much more do you expect the Boys to do this year, anyway?? Eight freaking free agents signed isn't enough for you??



Oh, you haven't even BEGUN to hear from this mouth, troll... anybody who comes into a Dallas Cowboys forum predicting an early injury to Romo, indeed sounding like he's looking forward to Romo getting injured, is a pure troll... anybody who comes into a Cowboys forum predicting the team will start 0-13...

These are reactions calculated to piss the fans in here off, and we call folks who set out to piss off total strangers on a message board trolls... if you don't like being called what you are, you have three choices:

1) Leave the board
2) Modify your behavior
3) Choke on it



And I have read that we'll gain somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 million when the dead money comes off the cap after this season... I'm not entirely certain about that number, perhaps somebody could ask AdamJT13 about the right numbers, but it's a significant number... far more than we need to offset that five million...

Oooooops, you didn't know that either, did you?? In fact, the sheer volume of what you don't know staggers the mind (clearly, it's staggered yours)...



Yes, Costa can be replaced... he will be in the mix for the starting job, but will see a LOT of competition this training camp...

And I don't believe I ever hammered "continuity" as a reason for improvement; how much continuity can you hope for when you have a new offensive line coach, changing your blocking schemes, and you brought in two new guards in free agency??

I believe I mentioned the switch of tackles, Free to RT, Smith to LT... I believe I mentioned the new approach that Callahan will bring making a difference, but I don't recall arguing "continuity"...

But hey, don't let that stop you from distorting my argument in a feeble effort to defend your trolling... clearly, the truth is not your friend, so you pretty much have to resort to deceit...



Yeah, that'll happen... better men than you have tried to make that happen in my 14 years on these boards (going back to the days of the Cowboys' newsgroup), and the ol' mouth is still right here...

I'm every troll's worst nightmare, and now it appears I'm yours...



Aw gee, it seems you're not having as much fun playing the troll as you thought you would... the bad news for you is it's only gonna get worse... just look at all the posters who are flocking to abuse you in this thread, you are quickly becoming one of this board's pinatas...

No sir, this whole troll thing just isn't working out for you at all, at all... must suck to be you, roddy...

I lol'd.

 

[rodd94]

ROTFLMAO... thank you SO much for proving my point, troll... now everybody who has clue knows that you don't...

Come June 1st, the Boys get six million dollars in cap room, thanks to the release of Terence Newman... oooops, didn't know that, did you?? The can also create right around another mil by parting ways with Kenyon Coleman, who looks to be squarely on the bubble... so now we're looking at around 9 mil in cap room, though something under 3 million must be reserved for signing their draft picks, and to form and pay a practice squad... so we're looking at right around 6 million in cap room, plenty to sign another free agent or two if players they like become available later this preseason...

And exactly how much more do you expect the Boys to do this year, anyway?? Eight freaking free agents signed isn't enough for you??



Oh, you haven't even BEGUN to hear from this mouth, troll... anybody who comes into a Dallas Cowboys forum predicting an early injury to Romo, indeed sounding like he's looking forward to Romo getting injured, is a pure troll... anybody who comes into a Cowboys forum predicting the team will start 0-13...

These are reactions calculated to piss the fans in here off, and we call folks who set out to piss off total strangers on a message board trolls... if you don't like being called what you are, you have three choices:

1) Leave the board
2) Modify your behavior
3) Choke on it



And I have read that we'll gain somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 million when the dead money comes off the cap after this season... I'm not entirely certain about that number, perhaps somebody could ask AdamJT13 about the right numbers, but it's a significant number... far more than we need to offset that five million...

Oooooops, you didn't know that either, did you?? In fact, the sheer volume of what you don't know staggers the mind (clearly, it's staggered yours)...



Yes, Costa can be replaced... he will be in the mix for the starting job, but will see a LOT of competition this training camp...

And I don't believe I ever hammered "continuity" as a reason for improvement; how much continuity can you hope for when you have a new offensive line coach, changing your blocking schemes, and you brought in two new guards in free agency??

I believe I mentioned the switch of tackles, Free to RT, Smith to LT... I believe I mentioned the new approach that Callahan will bring making a difference, but I don't recall arguing "continuity"...

But hey, don't let that stop you from distorting my argument in a feeble effort to defend your trolling... clearly, the truth is not your friend, so you pretty much have to resort to deceit...



Yeah, that'll happen... better men than you have tried to make that happen in my 14 years on these boards (going back to the days of the Cowboys' newsgroup), and the ol' mouth is still right here...

I'm every troll's worst nightmare, and now it appears I'm yours...



Aw gee, it seems you're not having as much fun playing the troll as you thought you would... the bad news for you is it's only gonna get worse... just look at all the posters who are flocking to abuse you in this thread, you are quickly becoming one of this board's pinatas...

No sir, this whole troll thing just isn't working out for you at all, at all... must suck to be you, roddy...

So, let's try it your way. Dallas will go 16-0 with no points scored against them all season. Romo will throw for over 1m yrds and have a trillion TD's. Dallas will walk to superbowl with out being scored on and will win Bowl 100-0. How's that?

 

[silverbear]

So, let's try it your way. Dallas will go 16-0 with no points scored against them all season. Romo will throw for over 1m yrds and have a trillion TD's. Dallas will walk to superbowl with out being scored on and will win Bowl 100-0. How's that?

About as dumb as your Cowboys hating posts... so, how 'bout you try to offer some intelligent, well-reasoned arguments?? If you do, I might argue with you, but I'll afford you a measure of respect while I do so...

Seriously, you didn't realize that when you started talking about the Cowboys going 0-13 this year, it would piss off a large segment of this board?? More important, were you serious about that?? If you don't really believe that'll happen, why did you post it??

If you wish to shake the troll label, you're gonna have to address those questions... that 0-13 crack was pure garbage, especially when the Boys were 8-8 last year and have clearly upgraded their roster in the offseason...

 

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[rodd94]

About as dumb as your Cowboys hating posts... so, how 'bout you try to offer some intelligent, well-reasoned arguments?? If you do, I might argue with you, but I'll afford you a measure of respect while I do so...

Seriously, you didn't realize that when you started talking about the Cowboys going 0-13 this year, it would piss off a large segment of this board?? More important, were you serious about that?? If you don't really believe that'll happen, why did you post it??

If you wish to shake the troll label, you're gonna have to address those questions... that 0-13 crack was pure garbage, especially when the Boys were 8-8 last year and have clearly upgraded their roster in the offseason...

I didn't realise this forum was a no opinion forum and you must NEVER say a bad word against the Cowboys for fear of upsetting anyone. So I'll keep my opinions to myself and leave you all to bask in the glory that Dallas are the best team ever and have no flaws.

 

[silverbear]

I didn't realise this forum was a no opinion forum and you must NEVER say a bad word against the Cowboys for fear of upsetting anyone.

It isn't, but somehow I seriously doubt that you REALLY believe the Boys are going 0-13 to start the season...

So, you weren't expressing an honest opinion, you were trying to provoke a reaction...

They call that trolling... and no, the members of this board don't care for trollish posts... IOW, you are entirely responsible for the reaction you're receiving in here...

Or do you seriously believe that happy horsecrap you were peddling?? Do you HONESTLY expect the Boys to go 0-13??

Sadly, I know you won't man up and address that question...