Tony Romo's unwavering

[zrinkill]

You don't have access to the doctors he does either. Nothing is wrong with his collarbone and he isn't going to have chronic collarbone problems

Ok ........ his collar bone is fine ........ like brand new.

 

[gimmesix]

Not trying to start an argument by any means but.

If Patrick Crayton had just run the route correctly on 3rd down and not hesitated like he was going outside he catches a perfectly thrown pass in the back corner of the endzone to beat the giants and advance to the NFC Championship game.

For some reason to this day I have no idea what Crayton was doing. He was one on one outside with mcquarters and no safety and he started to take the route to the sideline before running the post again. If he just runs a go off the line of scrimmage like he was supposed to Romo and Crayton could have maybe the best TD in cowboys history at Texas Stadium. It would have eclipsed Staubach to Tony Hill. Romo saw it and threw a perfect pass. It still drives me nuts 9 years later.

I have less of a problem with Crayon on that route than on the pass he dropped earlier with open field ahead of him. It's clear that he and Romo did not see the coverage the same.

I don't excuse the mistakes he made or many others in that ballgame, but watching Romo's younger years, it's clear to me that he's a smarter quarterback than he was back then. I think he would have overcome some of those team mistakes. During those first few years, he relied more on instinct than perfect execution. His instincts are part of his appeal, but a better understanding of his position has made him a better quarterback.

There are many things that could have happened differently in that Giants game to put us over the top, but the Romo of today wouldn't have needed them to happen. I believe his execution would have made enough of a difference in that game.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

IF Tony Romo retires without ever having been past the divisional round of the playoffs, it will be the single greatest failure during the Jerry Jones regime, and I don't see how he lives long enough to top it.

IF this comes to pass, we can safely say hiring a coach who was not to ready to become head coach during the prime of Romo's career is the single biggest mistake of Jerry's regime.

 

[Jstopper]

Ok ........ his collar bone is fine ........ like brand new.

Glad you understand

 

[theebs]

I have less of a problem with Crayon on that route than on the pass he dropped earlier with open field ahead of him. It's clear that he and Romo did not see the coverage the same.

I don't excuse the mistakes he made or many others in that ballgame, but watching Romo's younger years, it's clear to me that he's a smarter quarterback than he was back then. I think he would have overcome some of those team mistakes. During those first few years, he relied more on instinct than perfect execution. His instincts are part of his appeal, but a better understanding of his position has made him a better quarterback.

There are many things that could have happened differently in that Giants game to put us over the top, but the Romo of today wouldn't have needed them to happen. I believe his execution would have made enough of a difference in that game.

There is no question he is a better player. I don't think it had anything to do with losing to the giants though. The special teams screw up and the defense giving up the touchdown before the half was the biggest let down of the game. The giants were almost ready to give in and the reeves penalty and the quick touchdown put dallas on their heels.

There are so many moments in that game and they all still drive me crazy especially since that giants team won a Super Bowl because manning threw a ball up for grabs that he had no reason to throw and they ended up winning because of it. Its sickening.

Miles austin was wide open for a 65 yard touchdown and barber and columbo whiffed completely on their blocks....

anwyay. Romo is a much better player today.

 

[zrinkill]

Glad you understand

I understand all right.

 

[Idgit]

I have broken my collar bone twice ...... some mornings it hurts me and is so stiff it limits my movement if I sleep on it wrong.

His collar bone will never be "back to normal" , he has broken it 3 times .... if believing that makes you feel better ...... knock yourself out.

I don't care if it aches him. That's between Tony and his God. It's not more likely to break just because it's broken before, though, and that's what we care about. If anything, he's got an advantage now over other QBs with the same vulnerable collarbones because he's had the shaving procedure to give him more clearance.

 

[theebs]

I don't care if it aches him. That's between Tony and his God. It's not more likely to break just because it's broken before, though, and that's what we care about. If anything, he's got an advantage now over other QBs with the same vulnerable collarbones because he's had the shaving procedure to give him more clearance.

Im kind of hoping he does what he did a lot of in 14. If things are breaking down get down. He did that a lot in 14 but amazingly he still made all those incredible escapes.

unfortunately it will be hard to do that if the defense is giving up 30 points a game. Romo will be taking all kinds of chances.

 

[gimmesix]

There is no question he is a better player. I don't think it had anything to do with losing to the giants though. The special teams screw up and the defense giving up the touchdown before the half was the biggest let down of the game. The giants were almost ready to give in and the reeves penalty and the quick touchdown put dallas on their heels.

There are so many moments in that game and they all still drive me crazy especially since that giants team won a Super Bowl because manning threw a ball up for grabs that he had no reason to throw and they ended up winning because of it. Its sickening.

Miles austin was wide open for a 65 yard touchdown and barber and columbo whiffed completely on their blocks....

anwyay. Romo is a much better player today.

I'm not saying Romo bears blame for the loss. The screw-ups were the reason for the loss. However, Romo being a much better player today than he was then would have allowed him to overcome those screw-ups IMO in a 21-17 game. That might not have been the case because of the mistakes the team made.

 

[Idgit]

Im kind of hoping he does what he did a lot of in 14. If things are breaking down get down. He did that a lot in 14 but amazingly he still made all those incredible escapes.

unfortunately it will be hard to do that if the defense is giving up 30 points a game. Romo will be taking all kinds of chances.

I love to try to guess what Romo's working on in camp each offseason. He makes a point of there being something specific each year, and I was hoping this year was going to be 'taking a dive if there's pressure in my face outside the pocket.' The great spin moves actually save him wear and tear, but when he rolls out to buy time to flick the ball into the end zone and then tucks at the last minute and gets hit, that's when he gets driven into the turf on his shoulder. I don't know if it's possible to have him turn off the magic in those situations or not, but I'd like him to try.

The other thing I'd like is to see the OL start a fight every single time he takes a questionable hit. That's not the Garrett way, but I'd happily take the dozen or so flags it might cost us just to make the point that that **** isn't going to fly this year. Send the message to the referee crew that they need to be on top of those plays v. Dallas or they're going to be stopping fights all afternoon.

 

[theebs]

I'm not saying Romo bears blame for the loss. The screw-ups were the reason for the loss. However, Romo being a much better player today than he was then would have allowed him to overcome those screw-ups IMO in a 21-17 game. That might not have been the case because of the mistakes the team made.

I understand and agree, he is a different player now.

I was just stating I don't think Romo was responsible for the second half faults of that game.

I think there are games in 2008 and 2011 where you can see him make a careless mistake that he doesn't make anymore.

I can vividly remember him just throwing a ball up for grabs for no reason on 2nd down vs baltimore in 08 that was picked by ed reed. We don't see that type of thing as much although sometimes all qb's do it.

I will say the final game of 2012 vs washington version of Romo had some bad plays I don't think we would see today. That first pick early in the game when he missed austin was him being I think overly excited and aggressive. Today I think he is a calmer player with complete control of the offense.

 

[theebs]

I love to try to guess what Romo's working on in camp each offseason. He makes a point of there being something specific each year, and I was hoping this year was going to be 'taking a dive if there's pressure in my face outside the pocket.' The great spin moves actually save him wear and tear, but when he rolls out to buy time to flick the ball into the end zone and then tucks at the last minute and gets hit, that's when he gets driven into the turf on his shoulder. I don't know if it's possible to have him turn off the magic in those situations or not, but I'd like him to try.

The other thing I'd like is to see the OL start a fight every single time he takes a questionable hit. That's not the Garrett way, but I'd happily take the dozen or so flags it might cost us just to make the point that that **** isn't going to fly this year. Send the message to the referee crew that they need to be on top of those plays v. Dallas or they're going to be stopping fights all afternoon.

Funny you should say that, I got my tickets yesterday and Romo is on the ticket for the giants game just like last year. The first thing I thought of was all the late hits romo took last year in that opening game vs ny. The big one was Moore hammering him on the final drive with no penalty which is still nuts to me.

Aikman let it out last year at some point that going into week 2 vs philadelphia last year that Romo's back was bothering him and he was not 100%......that was a direct result of a cheap late shot by Moore. No penalty and no fine.

He has been hit a lot late without flags for some reason. Two times that stick out in my head are the packers playoff game when matthews got him twice with no penalty and the 08 cardinals game....or was it 2011? 3rd down and the play was incomplete and Romo was tackled by dockett via his facemask. No flag.

 

[Idgit]

Funny you should say that, I got my tickets yesterday and Romo is on the ticket for the giants game just like last year. The first thing I thought of was all the late hits romo took last year in that opening game vs ny. The big one was Moore hammering him on the final drive with no penalty which is still nuts to me.

Aikman let it out last year at some point that going into week 2 vs philadelphia last year that Romo's back was bothering him and he was not 100%......that was a direct result of a cheap late shot by Moore. No penalty and no fine.

He has been hit a lot late without flags for some reason. Two times that stick out in my head are the packers playoff game when matthews got him twice with no penalty and the 08 cardinals game....or was it 2011? 3rd down and the play was incomplete and Romo was tackled by dockett via his facemask. No flag.

It's been a couple of years since I've seen it, but there was a stat floating around with 'roughing the passer penalties/passing attempt' for all the starters in the league at one point. Brady and Peyton were, predictably, at the top of the list. Romo was completely alone in terms of good QBs on high profile teams there at the bottom. Not sure anything has changed.

And that Moore play was inexcusable. And we were in hurry up and really not in a situation to do anything about it, but if you're not going to call it there, there's no point in having the penalty in the rule book. And it's roughing the QB on a game winning drive. There's no excuse for not seeing it.

 

[DFWJC]

As a Dallas sports fan, he is by far top on my list for sports figures that I want to win a title. No other player in any sport is close.
Dirk was way up there too, but he got his.
It's Tony's turn.

 

[Direwolf63]

I have broken my collar bone twice ...... some mornings it hurts me and is so stiff it limits my movement if I sleep on it wrong.

His collar bone will never be "back to normal" , he has broken it 3 times .... if believing that makes you feel better ...... knock yourself out.

Yep.

I broke my left collarbone skiing 2 years ago and I still can't sleep on my left side because it will start to ache if I do. It will never be the same. ANd I only broke mine the 1 time.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Not trying to start an argument by any means but.

If Patrick Crayton had just run the route correctly on 3rd down and not hesitated like he was going outside he catches a perfectly thrown pass in the back corner of the endzone to beat the giants and advance to the NFC Championship game.

For some reason to this day I have no idea what Crayton was doing. He was one on one outside with mcquarters and no safety and he started to take the route to the sideline before running the post again. If he just runs a go off the line of scrimmage like he was supposed to Romo and Crayton could have maybe the best TD in cowboys history at Texas Stadium. It would have eclipsed Staubach to Tony Hill. Romo saw it and threw a perfect pass. It still drives me nuts 9 years later.

Many excuses have been made.
But you are right.
All he to do was run to that empty space in the end zone and ... any throw, any floater ... it was there to be dropped into his bread basket.


Romo and the Cowboys have had three legit runs.. Which they blew chunks at.

Seattle bobble game. We could have stole that sb.
13-3 season. Cabo.
2014 season. Couldn't close the deal. It was there.

 

[theebs]

Many excuses have been made.
But you are right.
All he to do was run to that empty space in the end zone and ... any throw, any floater ... it was there to be dropped into his bread basket.


Romo and the Cowboys have had three legit runs.. Which they blew chunks at.

Seattle bobble game. We could have stole that sb.
13-3 season. Cabo.
2014 season. Couldn't close the deal. It was there.

Cabo had zero to do with the loss.

the '14 season was taken out of their hands, once again it was one of those nfl films all time moments...4th and 1 at lambeau in the fourth qtr in a playoff game. Instead of first and goal..well everybody knows.

and this team had a real chance in 09 but ran into a Vikings team that just never lost at home and got beat.

and if anyone wants to relive the horror of the giants playoff game I give you this...I made this 07 season recap way back when and never finished it so I never posted it until last month, here is part 6 which is a recap of the playoff game in its incomplete state.

 

[visionary]

I've recently gone back and looked at Romo's first couple of seasons as a starter and I truly believe we could have accomplished something if Romo had been as seasoned as he is now.

He's always had it, but there are things he understands about playing the position now that he simply did not as a young quarterback and it's easy to see the difference. The 2007 and 2014 seasons remain the best shots we've had with Romo of getting to a Super Bowl ... and I think the 2014 Romo would have pushed that 2007 team over the top despite the mistakes many others made against the Giants. (He almost did it anyway.)

The difference in the 2007 and 2014 seasons is we actually had a pretty good defense in 2007 while the offensive line was good, but let us down in the second half against the Giants. If Romo had been seasoned, I think there are a few plays that would have been handled differently and that would have made a difference.

That's not excusing the Cowboys for not building a good enough team around him to be true contenders more than twice in his 10 years as a starter, but I do believe the results would have been different. For that matter, if he had been a seasoned starter in Parcells' last year, the Seattle game probably would have been handled differently from a coaching standpoint and no telling what would have happened from there.

I know you can't play what-if, but I certainly hate that the stars haven't aligned because of both bad fortune and bad decisions during Romo's career. Feel the same about Witten. I'm glad that DeMarcus Ware at least has a ring to go with his stellar career, even if he didn't get it with us.

What had held us back are a pretend GM who can't evaluate talent and an in-training HC who had still learned little

Many of you have chosen to ignore those facts for years

 

[visionary]

He doesn't have collar bone problems. I don't know why that kind of thinking irks me so much, but it does. Collar bones are in one of two states: broken, or not broken. He's not playing with a trick collarbone.

Of the other things you mention, him being 2 years older is the only negative if you're comparing the shot this season with the shot we had in 2014. And I'd say overall, while it's really not good, the defensive personnel is better this season than it was then. It's not exactly a miracle to expect DAL to be competitive in the current NFC.

It irks you because you want to ignore the obvious
Toni is 36 and has been injured and missed games last 3 years
We will be lucky if he plays 2 full 16 game seasons

 

[Idgit]

It irks you because you want to ignore the obvious
Toni is 36 and has been injured and missed games last 3 years
We will be lucky if he plays 2 full 16 game seasons

My concern for Tony *is* his age and his back, because that's a chronic injury to an important joint system. What I said above was that the risk of re-injury to his collar bone was not higher than it is for any player in his position. Unless you've heard something to the contrary?

You get so excited about the idea of calling me out for a homer wherever you think you can that you don't bother to read what I've posted carefully enough to understand the discussion.