Too many important loose ends right now

[CowboyRoy]

That's your opinion some have that opinion but a number of experts have referred to him as an elite back. He had one elite season only because he had injury issues and missed games. Murray showed elite qualities long before the OL was built.

Yep, its my opinion. And there are certainly plenty of experts that agree with you. But its not just about ability. Its about where you spend your money and return on that investment. I would rather have a a few good RB's behind and elite line and put the money towards the defense. To me, its a better way to spend the cash. The Run game will not fall off the shelf without Murray. In fact, in some aspects, it will do better.

In my opinion, Peterson is elite. Murray is not elite. And there is no discounting his injury history. So fine, he is elite when he plays all 14 or more games with the best Oline in the game. 25% of the time he is elite then. Sorry, I will pass on the big money. Give me the Kraken and 15 sacks a season and Randle and McFadden and that Elite Oline over Murray and a lackluster pass rush.

 

[CowboyRoy]

We saw Murray's potential as a rookie at least I did. I posted in 2013 if he could ever stay healthy he would have a1500 plus yard season. No one knows what other backs could do behind the Cowboys OL but we'll soon find out. Murray had vision he made several outstanding runs due to his vision. He didn't have elite speed but neither did Emmitt and Murray is faster than Emmitt was. Everyone started knocking Murray's speed late in the season when his legs were worn out due to all the carries.

Yah, many of us saw his potential. I screamed at Garrett for 3 years to pound the ball with Murray. But we also saw that he is injury prone. He lost me after he got injured every year for 3 years. You simply cant pay a guy elite money with that kind of history. One elite season does not erase 3 injury riddled seasons and a injury riddled college career.

Are you aware of the history of RB's after they have had 390 or more carries and the next season. Its not good. And that is for some of the best RB's in NFL history its not good. So to expect another season out of Murray next season is a little naive. Then we start getting into the age factor. It was the prudent decision to let him walk. To me, it was the best move they made.

 

[KJJ]

Experts? Name a few.

EDIT: Dang it. I forgot. I'm on the ignore list. I'll never know what professional qualifications are associated with the expert(s).

(Softly plays the ending theme of The Incredible Hulk while returning to work)

I never said I put you on ignore. I just posted that Ladainian Tomlinson referred to Murray as an elite back and he knows more about RB's than anyone here. Go argue it with him.

 

[KJJ]

Yep, its my opinion. And there are certainly plenty of experts that agree with you. But its not just about ability. Its about where you spend your money and return on that investment. I would rather have a a few good RB's behind and elite line and put the money towards the defense. To me, its a better way to spend the cash. The Run game will not fall off the shelf without Murray. In fact, in some aspects, it will do better.

In my opinion, Peterson is elite. Murray is not elite. And there is no discounting his injury history. So fine, he is elite when he plays all 14 or more games with the best Oline in the game. 25% of the time he is elite then. Sorry, I will pass on the big money. Give me the Kraken and 15 sacks a season and Randle and McFadden and that Elite Oline over Murray and a lackluster pass rush.

There's at least one who agrees with me Ladainian Tomlinson who referred to Murray as an elite back. The article below shows that Thomlinson thinks highly of Murray. Naturally Peterson is elite but a back doesn't have to be the absolute best at their position to be considered elite. They just have to be amongst a group of the best at their position and apparently some here don't seem to understand that.


http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...compares-demarco-murray-to-emmitt-smith.html/

 

[DallasEast]

I never said I put you on ignore. I just posted that Ladainian Tomlinson referred to Murray as an elite back and he knows more about RB's than anyone here. Go argue it with him.

I'm not on ignore? Shocking.

Thanks for mentioning the singular expert. Time to Google. And I don't feel it necessary to argue his opinion with him. After all, why would Ladainian Tomlinson wish to argue his opinion with a FAN from a Dallas Cowboys FAN site? lmao.

 

[KJJ]

Yah, many of us saw his potential. I screamed at Garrett for 3 years to pound the ball with Murray. But we also saw that he is injury prone. He lost me after he got injured every year for 3 years. You simply cant pay a guy elite money with that kind of history. One elite season does not erase 3 injury riddled seasons and a injury riddled college career.

Are you aware of the history of RB's after they have had 390 or more carries and the next season. Its not good. And that is for some of the best RB's in NFL history its not good. So to expect another season out of Murray next season is a little naive. Then we start getting into the age factor. It was the prudent decision to let him walk. To me, it was the best move they made.

He's been injury prone but that doesn't take away from his skills as a runner. You say you can't pay a guy elite money with his kind of injury history when several teams were offering him elite money including a team that dumped McFadden who a few FANS are drooling over. They're getting all lathered up over a back who's been more injury prone than Murray and has averaged only 3.3 a carry the past 3 seasons. Only Trent Richardson who was also receiving some love here when he was available has averaged lower than McFadden over that period. I'm aware of the history of backs who've received 390 carries or more but Murray will be very effective in Philly provided he stays healthy due to splitting carries with Mathews provided he also stays healthy. A lot of those other backs didn't produce after all those carries because their teams continued trying to pound them the following year. It won't be like that for Murray in Philly.

 

[big dog cowboy]

This is a FAN board and most have been crapping on Murray ever since his fumble vs Green Bay and his signing with the hated Eagles. Do you honestly think a FAN base that booed Troy Aikman nearing the end of his career and pissed on Emmitt once he left is going to admit Murray is an elite back???

The Cowboy fan base isn't going to admit Murray is an elilte RB for one reason - he isn't. It doesn't have anything to do with 2 HOF'ers that were.

 

[KJJ]

I'm not on ignore? Shocking.

Thanks for mentioning the singular expert. Time to Google. And I don't feel it necessary to argue his opinion with him. After all, why would Ladainian Tomlinson wish to argue his opinion with a FAN from a Dallas Cowboys FAN site? lmao.

I'll be happy to put you on ignore if you want just give me the word. The expert I gave is a future HOF RB who knows Cowboys football well growing up in Texas you'll look foolish trying to argue with him. A lot of football experts argue with FANS on Twitter because it provides them with some entertainment and a few laughs. lol

 

[KJJ]

The Cowboy fan base isn't going to admit Murray is an elilte RB for one reason - he isn't. It doesn't have anything to do with 2 HOF'ers that were.

They're not going to admit he's elite for all the valid reasons I gave. You have some on this board who don't even think Emmitt Smith was an elite back they give all the credit for his success to the Great Wall of Dallas. Once Emmitt began to decline as well as the team FANS became disgruntled and all of a sudden he was never that good it was all the OL.

 

[DallasEast]

I'll be happy to put you on ignore if you want just give me the word. The expert I gave is a future HOF RB who knows Cowboys football well growing up in Texas you'll look foolish trying to argue with him. A lot of football experts argue with FANS on Twitter because it provides them with some entertainment and a few laughs. lol

You want permission? Dude. It's like click my avatar and click the word ignore. You don't need my permission to do that. And you can do it right now if you so choose.

A Google search using "Ladainian Tomlinson" "Demarco Murray" "elite" produced zero quotes by Tomlinson.

A Google search using "Ladainian Tomlinson" "Demarco Murray" produced the following quotes by Tomlinson within the first 20 results:

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http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...compares-demarco-murray-to-emmitt-smith.html/

Does Tomlinson see any similarities between Murray and Smith?

“Yeah, actually I do,” Tomlinson said. “Obviously the offensive lines for both Emmitt and DeMarco were excellent run blockers. But also the thing that I see with both of them is they both have great balance. They both can make yards after contact. And both guys are not burners. They’re not considered guys that can run off on you, but they have decent speed to be able to take it 40, 50 yards at one time.”

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Tomlinson voices a strong opinion of DeMarco in the quotation but does not refer to him as "elite." This is obviously not the quote that you have read or heard Tomlinson say. Can you provide a link to Tomlinson's quote or quotes in an article or video? Thanks... that is if you have not placed me on ignore before I post this. Or maybe the same request concerning another expert from the "lot of football experts" you keep mentioning. And KJJ? Try typing FAN in a different color than black. Make it more colorful. More alive! lol.

 

[KJJ]

All this hate on Murray and the downplaying of his skills is very reminiscent to when everyone wanted to dump Romo after the 2012 season where we saw most of this board give up on him after his meltdown vs Washington in a season finale elimination game. Romo was up for a huge $100M plus deal and not even some of the FANS on this board wanted to pay him. Everyone said he would destroy our cap and that it was time to move on from him. I've been on this board since 09 and never seen Romo take the universal bashing he did after that Washington game. A big thread got started with most either wanting him to walk or the Cowboys trade him. One FAN who claimed he loved Romo and always supported him said he had reached the end of his rope and was finally convinced Romo is a choker who'll never lead the Cowboys to a SB. Many claim I hate Romo but was one of the few who supported keeping him. LOL

Many were ready to tank with Orton until the Cowboys could find another QB. This board was loaded with threads wanting to move on from Romo. His dreadful performance vs Washington made everyone focus on all the bad that we had seen with him in previous do or die games and they had seen enough. FANS live in the moment with players we see it all the time. Trust me had Murray not fumbled vs the Packers and led the Cowboys to a win at Lambeau you wouldn't be seeing so many downplaying his skills. His fumble made everyone look at all his other fumbles last season and the disappointing loss to the Packers made everyone point the finger directly at him. With some FANS claiming this OL is on par or better than the Great Wall of Dallas has many thinking any back could put up 1800 yards behind it. We'll find out!

 

[KJJ]

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Tomlinson voices a strong opinion of DeMarco in the quotation but does not refer to him as "elite." This is obviously not the quote that you have read or heard Tomlinson say. Can you provide a link to Tomlinson's quote or quotes in an article or video?

Thomlinson referred to Murray as "elite" during a segment on NFL Total Access a few months ago so no I can't provide that...sorry!

 

[KJJ]

You want permission? Dude. It's like click my avatar and click the word ignore. You don't need my permission to do that. And you can do it right now if you so choose.

You've been wanting me to do it for weeks so see ya....CLICK!

 

[DallasEast]

Thomlinson referred to Murray as "elite" during a segment on NFL Total Access a few months ago so no I can't provide that...sorry!

Basically hearsay. Thanks.

 

[DallasEast]

You've been wanting me to do it for weeks so see ya....CLICK!

Look. My KJJ can place people on ignore all by himself. He's grown up now. I... I may cry...

 

[big dog cowboy]

With some FANS claiming this OL is on par or better than the Great Wall of Dallas has many thinking any back could put up 1800 yards behind it.

I'd like to see a show of hands of people who said "any back can get 1800 yards behind our line" because I don't recall one person saying that. In fact, most doubt Murry would have done that again next year. You don't have a RB break Emmitt Smith's season rushing yards record and expect a repeat performance the next year. In fact, it may never happen again.

 

[KJJ]

I'd like to see a show of hands of people who said "any back can get 1800 yards behind our line" because I don't recall one person saying that. In fact, most doubt Murry would have done that again next year. You don't have a RB break Emmitt Smith's season rushing yards record and expect a repeat performance the next year. In fact, it may never happen again.

It would look like Hands Across America if everyone who said that cared to admit it. Every time I point something out that's been repeated on this board more than a few times some always act like I'm the only one who sees these posts. You're here as much if not more than I am and if you want to act like you haven't seen a single post with some FAN claiming that any back to any good back could have produced 1800 yards behind the Cowboys OL that's okay with me but there's many who frequent this board that know I'm telling it like it is. If there was a search function I would have a field day digging up posts and links to threads with posters claiming any back to any good back could have put up 1800 yards behind what some think is an OL that's on par or better than the Great Wall of Dallas. All it took before the format change that eliminated the search feature was a few key words to locate everything.

I used that feature almost everyday and sometimes I think they did away with it because of me. lol Some have even said that some backs could have produced even more yards than Murray did last season because he left a lot of yards on the field in their opinion due to his lack of speed and vision. You haven't seen any of these posts? It's all there for everyone to see but those who have issues with my opinions act like they don't exist. There's been more than a few posters who've said any back to any good back could have done what Murray did in 2014 and you can read what ever you want into those comments. Even Jerry said during the season that he thought Randle could have the same success Murray was having as a message to Murray's agent. You have a FAN predicting a 2000 yard season for Williams who hasn't played a regular season game in 3 years and another predicting a 1700 yard season for McFadden.

One FAN has Randle producing 1500 yards so if there's FANS who think those 3 backs could produce that amount of rushing yards behind the Cowboys OL then it's pretty obvious many think any back to any good back could produce what Murray did last season. With the addition of Collins FANS are drooling over the OL acting like some of us could have a 100 yard game behind it. LOL Murray wouldn't have had to repeat an 1800 yard season for the Cowboys to have the same success or better in 2014. A 1250 to 1400 yard season would have been just fine if he could continue moving the chains in key situations. I don't see a back on the roster that can make the run Murray made in 2012 vs the Giants on opening night. He's made similar runs and no average back is going to provide plays like that especially against good defenses in key games.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I used that feature almost everyday and sometimes I think they did away with it because of me. lol

You are right. That is funny.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

So........ You're a prosecutor now........

When did you find the time to go to Law School (In France)?

No i am learning and growing in Farmers Branch.

 

[KJJ]

You are right. That is funny.

Seriously, do you know why they no longer have a search function here? The lack of one was the only complaint I had about the format change. I asked why the board no longer had a search function and never got an answer.