Too many important loose ends right now

[big dog cowboy]

Seriously, do you know why they no longer have a search function here? The lack of one was the only complaint I had about the format change. I asked why the board no longer had a search function and never got an answer.

The new software just didn't have it included. That doesn't mean the next upgrade won't have it. Now when that will be I don't know. I don't know what I'm having for lunch tomorrow either FWIW.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

My search button here has limited functionality. If I'm looking for a bunch of cherry picked, contradictory b.s., I just click on the KJJ icon and the results come pouring in.

 

[KJJ]

My search button here has limited functionality. If I'm looking for a bunch of cherry picked, contradictory b.s., I just click on the KJJ icon and the results come pouring in.

Buh bye! (dusting off hands)

 

[CowboyRoy]

There's at least one who agrees with me Ladainian Tomlinson who referred to Murray as an elite back. The article below shows that Thomlinson thinks highly of Murray. Naturally Peterson is elite but a back doesn't have to be the absolute best at their position to be considered elite. They just have to be amongst a group of the best at their position and apparently some here don't seem to understand that.


http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...compares-demarco-murray-to-emmitt-smith.html/

I think part of the problem in today's NFL is there aren't many teams that give the ball to one back for 350 carries or more anymore. So there aren't that many backs that go for 1500 yards rushing in a season. He certainly had an elite season. But to me........One elite season with 400 carries doesn't make him elite. If he does that for another 3 years without getting hurt, then I would be willing to call him one of the best. For my money, I dont see it happening.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He's been injury prone but that doesn't take away from his skills as a runner. You say you can't pay a guy elite money with his kind of injury history when several teams were offering him elite money including a team that dumped McFadden who a few FANS are drooling over. They're getting all lathered up over a back who's been more injury prone than Murray and has averaged only 3.3 a carry the past 3 seasons. Only Trent Richardson who was also receiving some love here when he was available has averaged lower than McFadden over that period. I'm aware of the history of backs who've received 390 carries or more but Murray will be very effective in Philly provided he stays healthy due to splitting carries with Mathews provided he also stays healthy. A lot of those other backs didn't produce after all those carries because their teams continued trying to pound them the following year. It won't be like that for Murray in Philly.

Skills are great, but if you cant stay on the field, it doesn't matter. Plenty of backs with great skills but without the durability. The truly elite backs in my opinion have the skills and the durability. And as I have discussed before I dont believe he has great vision or speed. So what skills does he really have? He is tough, can catch the ball well, block, and he is big. Outside of those skills, what skills do you see?

Again, he got the ball 400 times behind the best run blocking line in football. And had his first season where he didnt get hurt. Elite season I can agree on.

 

[erod]

If you give Murray 5 yards, he'll get you 8.

If you give him 50, he'll get you 12.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He's been injury prone but that doesn't take away from his skills as a runner. You say you can't pay a guy elite money with his kind of injury history when several teams were offering him elite money including a team that dumped McFadden who a few FANS are drooling over. They're getting all lathered up over a back who's been more injury prone than Murray and has averaged only 3.3 a carry the past 3 seasons. Only Trent Richardson who was also receiving some love here when he was available has averaged lower than McFadden over that period. I'm aware of the history of backs who've received 390 carries or more but Murray will be very effective in Philly provided he stays healthy due to splitting carries with Mathews provided he also stays healthy. A lot of those other backs didn't produce after all those carries because their teams continued trying to pound them the following year. It won't be like that for Murray in Philly.

Murray will do well in Philly. Effective is a great word. But you have to remember that he has Mathews from San Diego that will take away carries and Sproles that will also take some carries. Philly is clearly committed to running the football. And with the hurry up nature of that offense, they run about 25% more plays than a normal football team. So there will be more carries to go around.

 

[CowboyRoy]

If you give Murray 5 yards, he'll get you 8.

If you give him 50, he'll get you 12.

That is a great way to look at it. He is great at the dirty yards, but a huge lack of big plays.

 

[KJJ]

I think part of the problem in today's NFL is there aren't many teams that give the ball to one back for 350 carries or more anymore. So there aren't that many backs that go for 1500 yards rushing in a season. He certainly had an elite season. But to me........One elite season with 400 carries doesn't make him elite. If he does that for another 3 years without getting hurt, then I would be willing to call him one of the best. For my money, I dont see it happening.

Teams use more of a rotation today to try and keep backs fresh and healthy. With players getting bigger, faster and stronger it's become too much for most backs to carry the load like they did decades ago. Any player that's in the top 4 at their position is going to be considered elite by many and Murray is clearly one of the top 4 RB's in the league. The only thing that's kept his production down is injuries. We've discussed the RB situation enough it's time to allow things to play out this summer.

 

[DallasEast]

My search button here has limited functionality. If I'm looking for a bunch of cherry picked, contradictory b.s., I just click on the KJJ icon and the results come pouring in.

lol. Welcome to the Ignored By KJJ club. It's just a feeling but membership will continue to rise I think.

 

[KJJ]

Skills are great, but if you cant stay on the field, it doesn't matter. Plenty of backs with great skills but without the durability. The truly elite backs in my opinion have the skills and the durability. And as I have discussed before I dont believe he has great vision or speed. So what skills does he really have? He is tough, can catch the ball well, block, and he is big. Outside of those skills, what skills do you see?

Again, he got the ball 400 times behind the best run blocking line in football. And had his first season where he didnt get hurt. Elite season I can agree on.

His speed isn't great but he's not slow and his vision is much better than it's given credit for. He runs downhill and is very good between the tackles and has very good balance. He can run a defender over with his power and he has an excellent cutback move to avoid and slip defenders. He has a lot of skills that average backs don't have. Many on this board are trying to reduce him to being an average back. Tearing down the games of excellent players is what many do here it's typical of a FAN board.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Teams use more of a rotation today to try and keep backs fresh and healthy. With players getting bigger, faster and stronger it's become too much for most backs to carry the load like they did decades ago. Any player that's in the top 4 at their position is going to be considered elite by many and Murray is clearly one of the top 4 RB's in the league. The only thing that's kept his production down is injuries. We've discussed the RB situation enough it's time to allow things to play out this summer.

Like I said, many would agree with you. But like I said, they are only saying it because he didnt get hurt like the last 3 years and had a great year. You keep saying "if he doesnt get hurt". As IF you can discount his injury history.

When you are a team like the Cowboys and you are forced to make a decision on a player and the investment, you have to look at all the years, not just the latest season.

Your analysis is akin to Murray rushing for 1800 yards for 3 years in a row, then getting hurt last year and rushing for only 800 yards. Then someone trying to tell you that Murray sucks and he isnt elite. In effect, that is what you are doing, but in the reverse. 3 injury riddled, ineffective years and one elite year does not make an elite back. And clearly the Cowboys brass agree. Which is really all that matters at this point.

 

[CowboyRoy]

His speed isn't great but he's not slow and his vision is much better than it's given credit for. He runs downhill and is very good between the tackles and has very good balance. He can run a defender over with his power and he has an excellent cutback move to avoid and slip defenders. He has a lot of skills that average backs don't have. Many on this board are trying to reduce him to being an average back. Tearing down the games of excellent players is what many do here it's typical of a FAN board.

Yah, I think your stretching it. He has average vision. Does run hard between the tackles. He does not have great moves in the open field or to make people miss. Yah, it happens, but he isnt great at it. He is a down hill, power runner that will run you over and pick up the dirty yards. Outside of that, I dont see any other elite type skills that he has other than a great pass catcher and blocker. On a scale of 1-10, I give him a 7 with skills. But then you have to factor in the injury history. And with the type of runner that he is, thats not a good trait to have.

 

[KJJ]

Like I said, many would agree with you. But like I said, they are only saying it because he didnt get hurt like the last 3 years and had a great year. You keep saying "if he doesnt get hurt". As IF you can discount his injury history.

When you are a team like the Cowboys and you are forced to make a decision on a player and the investment, you have to look at all the years, not just the latest season.

Your analysis is akin to Murray rushing for 1800 yards for 3 years in a row, then getting hurt last year and rushing for only 800 yards. Then someone trying to tell you that Murray sucks and he isnt elite. In effect, that is what you are doing, but in the reverse. 3 injury riddled, ineffective years and one elite year does not make an elite back. And clearly the Cowboys brass agree. Which is really all that matters at this point.

I'm done arguing this it's been exhausted I've given my opinion time to move on!

 

[KJJ]

Yah, I think your stretching it. He has average vision. Does run hard between the tackles. He does not have great moves in the open field or to make people miss. Yah, it happens, but he isnt great at it. He is a down hill, power runner that will run you over and pick up the dirty yards. Outside of that, I dont see any other elite type skills that he has other than a great pass catcher and blocker. On a scale of 1-10, I give him a 7 with skills. But then you have to factor in the injury history. And with the type of runner that he is, thats not a good trait to have.

I'm giving my opinion and you're giving yours and we disagree. Nothing you or I say is going to change anything this discussion is over unless you can add something that already hasn't been discussed. Good luck with that!

 

[USMarineVet]

My search button here has limited functionality. If I'm looking for a bunch of cherry picked, contradictory b.s., I just click on the KJJ icon and the results come pouring in.

I LOL'd. Then, tempted by your theory, I also tried this experiment.

A series of screen flashes, bells and whistles ensumed. My computer farted and shut down.

Lesson learned.

 

[jnday]

Yah, I think your stretching it. He has average vision. Does run hard between the tackles. He does not have great moves in the open field or to make people miss. Yah, it happens, but he isnt great at it. He is a down hill, power runner that will run you over and pick up the dirty yards. Outside of that, I dont see any other elite type skills that he has other than a great pass catcher and blocker. On a scale of 1-10, I give him a 7 with skills. But then you have to factor in the injury history. And with the type of runner that he is, thats not a good trait to have.

You are being kind by saying he has average vision. He looked for defenders to run into rather than hitting wide open running lanes. He probably left 400-500 yards on the field last year by not hitting big holes that would have produced long runs. He is also the only RB that I have ever seen that just give up on a sure TD run and fall down like he did in his record setting game against the Rams.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You are being kind by saying he has average vision. He looked for defenders to run into rather than hitting wide open running lanes. He probably left 400-500 yards on the field last year by not hitting big holes that would have produced long runs. He is also the only RB that I have ever seen that just give up on a sure TD run and fall down like he did in his record setting game against the Rams.

yah, I was being kind. For my money, he has one of the worst visions of a RB I have EVER seen. He has done that for 4 years here in Dallas. Constantly running the wrong way. Without huge holes or a 3 yards push, Murray doesnt go far.