Top 5 WR's in the NFL.

[jterrell]

I'm not trying to downplay Welker's season. He's two receptions short of having the 2nd most catches in one season in NFL history.

I'm just saying that I dont view him as a top-5 WR. If he didnt have Moss who has to be accounted for on every play, I dont think the underneath would be as opened up, and I dont think he has the stats he does with Moss and Brady.

But I'm not trying to downplay his accomplishments this year. Like I said, he's the best underneath receiver in the league, and will probably end up with the 2nd most catches in a season in NFL history.


...And as far as the drops, Tom Brady throws a much better ball than Matt Stafford. Drops aren't all on the WR.

Most every team in the league will have a deep threat. You think Welker wouldn't excel here in Dallas with Miles Austin????

The difference between Welker and these other guys is he is OPEN EVERY PLAY. He is shifty and very strong. He knows where to sit in zones. We are talking about a guy catching the ball about every 4th offensive play the Pats ran when he was active. You think defenses ignore that?? lol.

BTW, no other Detroit WR, with the same QBs, have more than 5 passes dropped. And they have some crappy WRs. In New England, Moss (who has great hands!!!) has more drops with the same QB in less attempts. Some points are just silly and the one you are trying to make is. Bad passes don't count as drops. Actual drops do.

The problem with these types of lists is people base it all on perception and ignore the reality of what happens in actual games. Then they get committed to arguing based on their opinion so they ignore facts. Calvin Johnson was targeted 126 times by Detroit QBs, he made catches on only 48.4% of those attempts with his 8 drops. That is putrid. And that is partly the QBs fault.

Austin by comparison had 116 targets, 4 drops, caught 63.8% of the passes thrown his way and got a first down 47.4% of the time. That's Pro Bowl caliber.

Welker was targeted 160 times, caught 122 of those for a ridiculous 76.3% caught ratio. Moss was targeted 132 times and caught 59.1% of those attempts. That's all-time caliber.

In another words, Miles Austin had a better year than Randy Moss yet Moss is responsible for Welker's success.... Must be because Romo is so much better than Brady huh??

 

[jterrell]

I also wonder how Greg Jennings would rank if he didn't have Donald Driver lining up across from him.

Some of the WR stats in the league are aided by the fact that there isn't a legimate #2 reciever lining up across from them. Miles Austin might be considered by some to fit into this category.

Jennings was targeted 112 times. That basically the same as Austin(116)... so the argument could be made but it would be wrong. Witten gets tons of targets here and Romo spreads the ball anyways.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

how does that make him drop the ball?

and i'm not sure if you watched the Pats this year but Moss and Brady both had rather mediocre years by their standards as did the Pats OL.

Welker has only played 12 games and has 122 catches, that's insane production. He has had 7 games with 10 or more catches.

Welker is first in receptions, 2nd in yards receiving, 2nd in first downs gained.

Anyone who fails to recognize that as a dominant year is just goofy.

calvin johnson has 8 dropped passes... and 61 catches.
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFC&type=Receiving&rank=232&year=

terrell owens who has poor hands has 9.

welker has 6 drops out of 122 catches meaning he has caught 95% of the passes thrown his way.
Moss has 7 drops and 70+ catches for about 90%.

Calvin Johnson was injured for a good while, and played while injured.
Give the man a break, no one will compare Calvin Johnson and Wes Welker as far as talent is concerned.

Welker had a good year, but stick him in Detroit and he becomes an slightly above receiver.
Stop arguing for argument's sake....

 

[Sitting Bull]

Most every team in the league will have a deep threat. You think Welker wouldn't excel here in Dallas with Miles Austin????

The difference between Welker and these other guys is he is OPEN EVERY PLAY. He is shifty and very strong. He knows where to sit in zones. We are talking about a guy catching the ball about every 4th offensive play the Pats ran when he was active. You think defenses ignore that?? lol.

BTW, no other Detroit WR, with the same QBs, have more than 5 passes dropped. And they have some crappy WRs. In New England, Moss (who has great hands!!!) has more drops with the same QB in less attempts. Some points are just silly and the one you are trying to make is. Bad passes don't count as drops. Actual drops do.

The problem with these types of lists is people base it all on perception and ignore the reality of what happens in actual games. Then they get committed to arguing based on their opinion so they ignore facts. Calvin Johnson was targeted 126 times by Detroit QBs, he made catches on only 48.4% of those attempts with his 8 drops. That is putrid. And that is partly the QBs fault.

Austin by comparison had 116 targets, 4 drops, caught 63.8% of the passes thrown his way and got a first down 47.4% of the time. That's Pro Bowl caliber.

Welker was targeted 160 times, caught 122 of those for a ridiculous 76.3% caught ratio. Moss was targeted 132 times and caught 59.1% of those attempts. That's all-time caliber.

In another words, Miles Austin had a better year than Randy Moss yet Moss is responsible for Welker's success.... Must be because Romo is so much better than Brady huh??

Good points. Welker is awesome but I wonder if his catch percentage and insane YAC has less to do with Moss and more to do with the large number of short, high-percentage passes thrown his way. The WR1s on the "top WR" lists all have to carry the water when it comes to stretching the defenses. Welker is the best at what he does but it makes him hard to rate in comparison with others.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think Miles is having an outstanding year and I rank him high right now but in my own view before I put any player into the elite category that player has to do it year in and year out. What makes Fitz or Andre Johnson Elite? Is not one super season but multiple season of high level play? I'll be more than happy to put Miles in that group once he can put together the back to back high level seasons.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

Most every team in the league will have a deep threat. You think Welker wouldn't excel here in Dallas with Miles Austin????

The difference between Welker and these other guys is he is OPEN EVERY PLAY. He is shifty and very strong. He knows where to sit in zones. We are talking about a guy catching the ball about every 4th offensive play the Pats ran when he was active. You think defenses ignore that?? lol.

BTW, no other Detroit WR, with the same QBs, have more than 5 passes dropped. And they have some crappy WRs. In New England, Moss (who has great hands!!!) has more drops with the same QB in less attempts. Some points are just silly and the one you are trying to make is. Bad passes don't count as drops. Actual drops do.

The problem with these types of lists is people base it all on perception and ignore the reality of what happens in actual games. Then they get committed to arguing based on their opinion so they ignore facts. Calvin Johnson was targeted 126 times by Detroit QBs, he made catches on only 48.4% of those attempts with his 8 drops. That is putrid. And that is partly the QBs fault.

Austin by comparison had 116 targets, 4 drops, caught 63.8% of the passes thrown his way and got a first down 47.4% of the time. That's Pro Bowl caliber.

Welker was targeted 160 times, caught 122 of those for a ridiculous 76.3% caught ratio. Moss was targeted 132 times and caught 59.1% of those attempts. That's all-time caliber.

In another words, Miles Austin had a better year than Randy Moss yet Moss is responsible for Welker's success.... Must be because Romo is so much better than Brady huh??

Dallas Clark is known for having hands of glue and he's leading the league in drops with 11. At least up to a week ago.

WR drop balls, and all WR have bad years. Before this year no one questioned Megatron's hands....

 

[Sarge]

Stop arguing for argument's sake....

:signmast:

 

[jterrell]

Calvin Johnson was injured for a good while, and played while injured.
Give the man a break, no one will compare Calvin Johnson and Wes Welker as far as talent is concerned.

Welker had a good year, but stick him in Detroit and he becomes an slightly above receiver.
Stop arguing for argument's sake....

Welker isn't going to forget how to run routes or catch the ball be it Detroit or elsewhere. He runs excellent routes and gets open against the defenses he faces every week. Randy Moss has played with lots of guys yet none has had the season's Welker has. In Detroit they might actually sustain drives and get first downs if they had Welker instead of a guy catching less than half the attempted targets. Welker literally caught 50% more of the passes targeted him than Johnson.

He isn't just having a good year, he is having a historic year.

Calvin Johnson had a poor year. Perhaps it is confidence and injuries and being on the same page but the dufus GM who feels like you will trade away a lot of picks for Calvin Johnson and end up with Roy Williams. Good game tho....

I argue against mob stupidity not for argument's sake.

I have seen Calvin Johnson play about 5 games now over 2 years and have never seen him make it through a game without a drop. Now I know he doesn't drop them every week because I checked the numbers but the guy does not have elite hands and he doesn't run elite routes. He may one day be the best overall WR in the league but he isn't close today.

 

[jterrell]

Dallas Clark is known for having hands of glue and he's leading the league in drops with 11. At least up to a week ago.

WR drop balls, and all WR have bad years. Before this year no one questioned Megatron's hands....

Johnson was amongst the highest in drops last year too... good try tho....

BTW, Dallas Clark has 8 drops... not 11. He has also caught 93 passes.

Facts... learn to embrace them.

 

[jterrell]

:signmast:

I argue against mob stupidity not for argument's sake.