Touch back rule

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Been watching football for 20 years, honestly never heard anyone complaining about this rule.

Professional complainers. You see them even complaining that the Cowboys won.

 

[Nightman]

Been watching football for 20 years, honestly never heard anyone complaining about this rule.

Florio at PFT has made it his cause du jour....... so you know it is lame

Rich Eisen was whining about it all day as well on the radio..... another nerd

 

[cmoney23]

Well anywhere else on the field you can't fumble forward. I completely understand their frustration, just like I understand the Steeler's with the catch rule.

This is NOT correct.

1. On a play from scrimmage, if an offensive player fumbles anywhere on the field during fourth down, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If recovered by any other offensive player, the ball is dead at the spot of the fumble unless it is recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In that case, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery. Any defensive player may recover and/or advance any fumble at any time.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

That’s not true. Players fumble forward all the time. The forward fumble recovery rule only applies after the two minute warning of each half and on fourth down. So it’s not just the end zone. Fumbles are treated differently on a specific down and with specific amounts of time remaining as well.
There are different rules for different specific situations all over the NFL rulebook. I don’t get the uproar over this one.

[link]http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/fumble[/link]




I understand their frustration. But to me, there is no comparison between the touchback rule and the convoluted rules that define what is and is not a catch.

The Cowboys won. That is the uproar. Reaction to the Cowboys is always different. If Dak had made this gaffe, it would define his career just like Romo with the bobble. But the media won't let it define Carr because he's not a Cowboy.

 

[Longboysfan]

So funny how the majority of Raiders fans think the touch back rule is stupid and should be spotted at the point it was fumbled and given back to the team that fumbled. Are you fricken kidding me???

The Raiders are the reason for a lot of fumble rules.
Stables fumble forward to Casper.

 

[Nightman]

The Raiders are the reason for a lot of fumble rules.
Stables fumble forward to Casper.

Good point

What no one is talking about is how reckless it was to begin with

Carr had the 1st down and plenty of time left..... he didn't need to go for it

 

[Jake]

How is it different? We don't reward the defense if they don't recover the ball outside the endzone so why should they be rewarded when it's out of the endzone.

Why do we reward the defense for tackling the offense in their own end zone? Let's get rid of the touch back rule AND the safety rule.

After all, why should end zones be treated differently? It's not as if the entire game is built around defending yours and penetrating your opponent's or anything.

 

[birdwells1]

Why do we reward the defense for tackling the offense in their own end zone? Let's get rid of the touch back rule AND the safety rule.

After all, why should end zones be treated differently? It's not as if the entire game is built around defending yours and penetrating your opponent's or anything.

Because it's positive play for the defense, on the side of the field that's more beneficial for the defense's team. When an offense is at it's own 1 yard line if they go nowhere the opposing team will probably start in their territory after the punt. When the offensive player fumbles through the end zone you are rewarding a defense that couldn't stop the offense from driving down the field in the first place.

 

[Jake]

Been watching football for 20 years, honestly never heard anyone complaining about this rule.

I raise you another 20 years on never hearing complaints about it.

Some of the suggestions being offered as alternatives are hilarious, though.

 

[Jake]

Because it's positive play for the defense, on the side of the field that's more beneficial for the defense's team. When an offense is at it's own 1 yard line if they go nowhere the opposing team will probably start in their territory after the punt. When the offensive player fumbles through the end zone you are rewarding a defense that couldn't stop the offense from driving down the field in the first place.

Wrong. You are punishing the offense for carelessly neglecting the most important item on the field - the football.

I don't know when the reach for the pylon silliness began (I remember when there weren't pylons) but it's one of the dumbest things I've seen introduced to football in my lifetime.

 

[Jake]

I do not know. Maybe the goalline of where the player went out of bounds. I do not like position is handled differently in the field vs the endzone.

The goal line IS the end zone. You can't run a play from there.

I'm not sure if this thread makes me sad or relieved to see how little some of our fans understand about the game, how it developed, and why certain rules exist. I'll give some of you a hint: go look at the rules of rugby. You may even learn why we use the word "touchdown" when the ball carrier reaches the end zone, even though he doesn't technically "touch down" the ball anymore.

 

[Kevinicus]

Because the goal line, by rule, has always extended beyond the pylon. It’s the same reason a player scoring a TD doesn’t have to ever even touch the ground in the end zone. Fly over everything, but inside the pylon, and it’s a TD.

I don't think this has anything to do with it. You can fly over everything along the sideline and get forward progress of the ball reaching it out too.

 

[Kevinicus]

That’s not true. Players fumble forward all the time. The forward fumble recovery rule only applies after the two minute warning of each half and on fourth down. So it’s not just the end zone. Fumbles are treated differently on a specific down and with specific amounts of time remaining as well.
There are different rules for different specific situations all over the NFL rulebook. I don’t get the uproar over this one.

[link]http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/fumble[/link]




I understand their frustration. But to me, there is no comparison between the touchback rule and the convoluted rules that define what is and is not a catch.

You can't fumble forward out of bounds. If the ball goes out of bounds forward of where it was fumbled, it goes back to the spot of the fumble.

 

[RoboQB]

Okay, I read the first two pages. It's crazy that there are 5 pages arguing a rule that's been in place nearly forever... that actually gave us a victory!

It works. Everybody should be aware of it. Carr knew immediately after it happened. It's a consequence rule... like a missed FG will cost the kicking team an additional 7 yards in field position
and turn the ball over to the opponent.

Also saw a mention of the Steelers game. What Cowboys fan saw that play and didn't think about Dez in GB? The only thing that surprised me was
that they actually made the right call.

 

[Kevinicus]

This is NOT correct.

1. On a play from scrimmage, if an offensive player fumbles anywhere on the field during fourth down, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If recovered by any other offensive player, the ball is dead at the spot of the fumble unless it is recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In that case, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery. Any defensive player may recover and/or advance any fumble at any time.

That is the rule on if there is a recovery. If the ball goes out of bounds (no matter when it is) it goes back to the spot of the fumble.

 

[Kevinicus]

Why do we reward the defense for tackling the offense in their own end zone? Let's get rid of the touch back rule AND the safety rule.

After all, why should end zones be treated differently? It's not as if the entire game is built around defending yours and penetrating your opponent's or anything.

This is a silly comparison.

 

[Kevinicus]

Wrong. You are punishing the offense for carelessly neglecting the most important item on the field - the football.

Then punish them at all times. Don't punish them more because they were more successful prior to that moment.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Florio at PFT has made it his cause du jour....... so you know it is lame

Rich Eisen was whining about it all day as well on the radio..... another nerd

They're just trying to fill up the insane media quota 24/7/365. Anything that even remotely looks like a topic worth writing about will be written about and sensationalized.

 

[links18]

Why do we reward the defense for tackling the offense in their own end zone? Let's get rid of the touch back rule AND the safety rule.

After all, why should end zones be treated differently? It's not as if the entire game is built around defending yours and penetrating your opponent's or anything.

High award near the end zone comes along with high risk.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

It's the rule. Grow up and live with it