Trade a 3rd and Peerless for Charles Rogers..

[blindzebra]

Of course what you are missing is what you can do with a 5th on draft day -- We traded up in the 4th to get Canty using our 5th as part of the package -- you start giving up picks early and you can't move around like that. Had we not had that 5th, Canty would be turning heads in New England this year.

Also, you can take players who don't have drug problems and aren't busts yet.

Just a number of the good things you can do with a 5th rather than throwing it away as you suggest.

Rogers hasn't been a bust. He hasn't been able to play due to a couple of injuries. That doesn't make you a bust. Funny how you can predict the future on Rogers, yet you are full of enthusiasm for some 5th rounder we haven't even picked yet.

Little bit of a double standard there since we are never going to be in position to draft anyone in the 5th round with this kind of talent.

Rogers career stats:

27 catches, 320 yards, 3 TDs

A certain 7th rd pick:

24 catches, 358 yards, 3 TDs

So it appears that Dallas not only could, but did, get that kind of production...thus talent...from WORSE THAN A 5TH RD PICK.

Time to stop, unless you enjoy being embarrassed.

 

[AbeBeta]

full of enthusiasm for some 5th rounder we haven't even picked yet.

More so not enthusiastic about a guy who not only has been hurt but also failed 3 drug tests. The failed tests are what make him a bust -- why do you think Detroit drafted Williams this year? If they thought Rogers was worth anything they would have taken Ware -- at least we can thank them for that.

 

[Gordon]

I only read the first 2 pages, but..

This discussion is pointless, remember who our coach is.. Hell, even if our coach was a 12 year old it wouldn't happen, but Parcells who likes character guys and loves draft picks is gonna trade for an arrogant pothead? Right..

 

[dallasfan31]

i will take a change on rogers. if lions want to trade him.

 

[HanfordDixon]

Rogers career stats:

27 catches, 320 yards, 3 TDs

A certain 7th rd pick:

24 catches, 358 yards, 3 TDs

So it appears that Dallas not only could, but did, get that kind of production...thus talent...from WORSE THAN A 5TH RD PICK.

Time to stop, unless you enjoy being embarrassed.

Stop embarassing yourself. If you knew anything about statistics and probability, then maybe you'd understand how to make a correct argument. Simply, your chances of finding anyone with Rogers' ability and talent in the 5th round are somewhere between 2 and 6 percent. Don't pick a needle out of a haystack and claim it is the norm. You're only proving your lack of intelligence.

 

[HanfordDixon]

This discussion is pointless, remember who our coach is.. Hell, even if our coach was a 12 year old it wouldn't happen, but Parcells who likes character guys and loves draft picks is gonna trade for an arrogant pothead? Right..

Wrong. Parcells like players who help him win. Period. Are you forgetting a certain partying LB named Lawrence Taylor?

 

[Gordon]

This discussion is pointless, remember who our coach is.. Hell, even if our coach was a 12 year old it wouldn't happen, but Parcells who likes character guys and loves draft picks is gonna trade for an arrogant pothead? Right..

Wrong. Parcells like players who help him win. Period. Are you forgetting a certain partying LB named Lawrence Taylor?

No, but that's completely different. Parcells probably didn't know about LT's drug problems when he drafted him. Plus, LT never complained and always worked his arse off. Rogers, on the other hand, was already complaining in the preseason about Roy and Mike Williams being in town, and rather than working to try to beat them out, he just complained. He's now a known substance abuser and he's also lazy and a complainer. When Parcells drafted LT, he was a very talented hard worker, and his drug problems were not well known.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In summation, it's pretty clear that most have no desire to see us make a move for Charles Rogers. After 9 pages, I doubt anybody is going to convince anybody to change positions on this.

Let it die.

 

[AbeBeta]

Wrong. Parcells like players who help him win. Period. Are you forgetting a certain partying LB named Lawrence Taylor?

So how do you help a team win if you are suspended?

 

[HanfordDixon]

No, but that's completely different. Parcells probably didn't know about LT's drug problems when he drafted him. Plus, LT never complained and always worked his arse off. Rogers, on the other hand, was already complaining in the preseason about Roy and Mike Williams being in town, and rather than working to try to beat them out, he just complained. He's now a known substance abuser and he's also lazy and a complainer. When Parcells drafted LT, he was a very talented hard worker, and his drug problems were not well known.

You are making a lot of assumptions here that you know have no basis in fact.

 

[HanfordDixon]

In summation, it's pretty clear that most have no desire to see us make a move for Charles Rogers. After 9 pages, I doubt anybody is going to convince anybody to change positions on this.

Let it die.

It will "die" when your fellow posters decide to stop discussing it. Please don't bother trying to censor my contributions. If you don't want to read anymore about this, then stop opening up this thread.

 

[Kilyin]

No, but that's completely different. Parcells probably didn't know about LT's drug problems when he drafted him. Plus, LT never complained and always worked his arse off. Rogers, on the other hand, was already complaining in the preseason about Roy and Mike Williams being in town, and rather than working to try to beat them out, he just complained. He's now a known substance abuser and he's also lazy and a complainer. When Parcells drafted LT, he was a very talented hard worker, and his drug problems were not well known.

You are making a lot of assumptions here that you know have no basis in fact.

That's all you've been doing this whole thread.

 

[HanfordDixon]

So how do you help a team win if you are suspended?

OK, for the 801st time, I would not want Rogers unless he satisfied Jones and Parcells. Unless you're suggesting you know more about Charles Roger's psyche, problems and future intentions and could assess those factors better then Jones and Parcells -- then don't bother bringing up the drug angle again.

It's pointless. Jerry and Bill would welcome a guy this talented if they were even somewhat comfortable he was sincere and could stay out of trouble. Don't assume they are white knights, because they aren't. Jerry would suit up Satan if he could help us win a few games.

 

[HanfordDixon]

That's all you've been doing this whole thread.

Actually I haven't. I am working off facts.

It's a fact the Cowboys have little resources at WR for the future.

It's a fact that Rogers is a tremendous talent with tremendous potential.

It's a fact he's 6-3, 220 pounds and runs a 4.4

It's a fact that 5th round draft picks rarely make an impact.

I am not making any assumptions about his ability to fullfill that potential. Or stay clean. If Bill and Jerry were comfortable after meeting Rogers, then it's a no-brainer deal.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In summation, it's pretty clear that most have no desire to see us make a move for Charles Rogers. After 9 pages, I doubt anybody is going to convince anybody to change positions on this.

Let it die.

It will "die" when your fellow posters decide to stop discussing it. Please don't bother trying to censor my contributions. If you don't want to read anymore about this, then stop opening up this thread.

It will die when one of the Mods decides it has no more value or it goes over the line. Then it will be moved and die a slow death.

I would also recommend that you re-evaluate your position. What I posted could very well have been ment for "all my fellow posters" rather then you. I don't put much stock into you. Your another poster on this board I have little to know association with. I have, however, watched you try to hammer the same point across and most have said no thanks, to you.

Should I give this thread the final push it needs to go over the edge? I think not. I'm sure you'll do that yourself, in good time.

Please, carry on. I'll just be busy over here watching you pound big rocks into little ones. How better to spend your time?

 

[AbeBeta]

OK, for the 801st time, I would not want Rogers unless he satisfied Jones and Parcells. Unless you're suggesting you know more about Charles Roger's psyche, problems and future intentions and could assess those factors better then Jones and Parcells -- then don't bother bringing up the drug angle again.

It's pointless. Jerry and Bill would welcome a guy this talented if they were even somewhat comfortable he was sincere and could stay out of trouble. Don't assume they are white knights, because they aren't. Jerry would suit up Satan if he could help us win a few games.

Wow, it is like I'm the one proposing the crazy trade!

First, neither Jerry nor Bill can see the future. Second, past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. Third, what's Rogers going to do -- come in and tell Jerry and Bill "oh, I've turned my life around, blah blah blah."

You act like the drug angle isn't important -- to me it is more important than the injury angle - injuries you can say are bad luck. drugs aren't about luck - they are about a conscious choice to take a huge risk with your career -- in Rogers' case -- three times now (that he was caught). In addition to the drug angle you get the "stupid angle" - if you are getting tested every week for drugs, how about just saying "no thanks, i'm good" when your buddy tries to pass you a doobie? Rogers scored an 8 on his Wonderlic - that's a very very low score. He has trouble learning his routes as well. We've got evidence piling up that the guy is stupid.

That Rogers, knowing this was his year to prove himself, ended up suspended tells me he doesn't care about football.

What does this all spell: great physical talent + not productive in the NFL + injury history + drug suspension + doesn't care about his career + might be stupid = BUST.

 

[HanfordDixon]

It will die when one of the Mods decides it has no more value or it goes over the line. Then it will be moved and die a slow death.

Wonderful.

I would also recommend that you re-evaluate your position. What I posted could very well have been ment for "all my fellow posters" rather then you. I don't put much stock into you. Your another poster on this board I have little to know association with. I have, however, watched you try to hammer the same point across and most have said no thanks, to you.

Well, since I am a poster, then it was directed to me as well. Why does it bother you if others continue to discuss this? Why does it bother you if I respond 5 times? Or 5,000 times?

Should I give this thread the final push it needs to go over the edge? I think not. I'm sure you'll do that yourself, in good time.

Again, why are you upset?

Please, carry on. I'll just be busy over here watching you pound big rocks into little ones. How better to spend your time?

Son, the old "get a life" routine has been done to death. If you think that's an effective approach, then you must be a beginner.

 

[HanfordDixon]

First, neither Jerry nor Bill can see the future. Second, past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. Third, what's Rogers going to do -- come in and tell Jerry and Bill "oh, I've turned my life around, blah blah blah."

You act like the drug angle isn't important -- to me it is more important than the injury angle - injuries you can say are bad luck. drugs aren't about luck - they are about a conscious choice to take a huge risk with your career -- in Rogers' case -- three times now (that he was caught). In addition to the drug angle you get the "stupid angle" - if you are getting tested every week for drugs, how about just saying "no thanks, i'm good" when your buddy tries to pass you a doobie? Rogers scored an 8 on his Wonderlic - that's a very very low score. He has trouble learning his routes as well. We've got evidence piling up that the guy is stupid.

That Rogers, knowing this was his year to prove himself, ended up suspended tells me he doesn't care about football.

What does this all spell: great physical talent + not productive in the NFL + injury history + drug suspension + doesn't care about his career + might be stupid = BUST.


You could have written this about Chris Carter in 1990.

I'd much rather take a 1 in 10 chance that we land an elite WR than the 1 in 10 chance that our 5th round pick might end up a solid starter.

 

[HanfordDixon]

Then again, you can never have enough Sean Ryans and Matt Lehrs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It will die when one of the Mods decides it has no more value or it goes over the line. Then it will be moved and die a slow death.

Wonderful.

I would also recommend that you re-evaluate your position. What I posted could very well have been ment for "all my fellow posters" rather then you. I don't put much stock into you. Your another poster on this board I have little to know association with. I have, however, watched you try to hammer the same point across and most have said no thanks, to you.

Well, since I am a poster, then it was directed to me as well. Why does it bother you if others continue to discuss this? Why does it bother you if I respond 5 times? Or 5,000 times?

Should I give this thread the final push it needs to go over the edge? I think not. I'm sure you'll do that yourself, in good time.

Again, why are you upset?

Please, carry on. I'll just be busy over here watching you pound big rocks into little ones. How better to spend your time?

Son, the old "get a life" routine has been done to death. If you think that's an effective approach, then you must be a beginner.

You should just stick to football. You don't have a whole lot to offer me, be it advice or whatever. If these guys want to spend time listening to you, that's there choice. Me, I'm not interested in what is clearly a waste of time.

Thanks for playing.