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What accidents? Resorting to full on fantasy?

what does Schultz have to do with the idea of Jarwin doubling his stats. Your sense of logic is as weak as your knowledge of football.

this team uses a Dual Te on 25% of all passing snaps and a Single te on every Snap 100%.

Why is the role at Te so dominant? We havent had a winner in a decade at that position. Esp not 2 tes. Lol. Thats just plain ignorant.

How can you justify that by position. The player is not a dominant player so why does he have a dominant receiving role

 

[OmerV]

this team uses a Dual Te on 25% of all passing snaps and a Single te on every Snap 100%.

Why is the role at Te so dominant? We havent had a winner in a decade at that position. Esp not 2 tes. Lol. Thats just plain ignorant.

How can you justify that by position. The player is not a dominant player so why does he have a dominant receiving role

No, the team uses 2 TEs on 25% of ALL snaps, not passing snaps. Some of the 2 TE sets are for extra blocking on running plays. Do you really not grasp that an extra TE is more helpful on a running play than a slot receiver?

And, the reason they use the TEs is because they have roles and responsibilities you would rather stay ignorant of than actually try to learn something.

By the way, every team uses 2 TEs at times, and not just the ones that have Kielce or Kittle.

 

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No, the team uses 2 TEs on 25% of ALL snaps, not passing snaps. Some of the 2 TE sets are for extra blocking on running plays. Do you really not grasp that an extra TE is more helpful on a running play than a slot receiver?

And, the reason they use the TEs is because they have roles and responsibilities you would rather stay ignorant of than actually try to learn something.

By the way, every team uses 2 TEs at times, and not just the ones that have Kielce or Kittle.

Yeah but it takes him 500 passing snaps to score. Were trying to score against good defenses and hes just good against the Giants.

Im talking about passing snaps bro. Ive watched this team for years. Cole beasely had the highest open rate and catch rate in the League for a yr or more and he was only utilized as a spot player. All of our depth at rb and slot wr never gets opportunities

 

[OmerV]

Yeah but it takes him 500 passing snaps to score. Were trying to score against good defenses and hes just good against the Giants.

Im talking about passing snaps bro. Ive watched this team for years. Cole beasely had the highest open rate and catch rate in the League for a yr or more and he was only utilized as a spot player. All of our depth at rb and slot wr never gets opportunities

You just blindly make up whatever suits you with no regard for accuracy.

Jarwin has 6 TDs in 827 career snaps for an average of 1 TD for every 138 snaps.

And, again, this is with Jarwin as the #2 TE, which he will not be this year.

By the way, Julio Jones, a player who, without question, is considered one of the elite receivers in football, had 6 TDS in 834 attempts last year.

But back to your blatant misrepresentation of facts - how is it fair for you to say Jarwin only scores once every 500 snaps when actual facts prove a very different story? Of course, it’s not fair, it’s you creating a fantasy story to fit a narrative you can’t otherwise defend.

oh, and by the way, I continue to laugh about the fact you don’t understand that a team scoring TDs has to do with a lot more than who is holding the ball in the end zone.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Man you two are going to the death

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Man you two are going to the death

LOL

 

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You just blindly make up whatever suits you with no regard for accuracy.

Jarwin has 6 TDs in 827 career snaps for an average of 1 TD for every 138 snaps.

And, again, this is with Jarwin as the #2 TE, which he will not be this year.

By the way, Julio Jones, a player who, without question, is considered one of the elite receivers in football, had 6 TDS in 834 attempts last year.

But back to your blatant misrepresentation of facts - how is it fair for you to say Jarwin only scores once every 500 snaps when actual facts prove a very different story? Of course, it’s not fair, it’s you creating a fantasy story to fit a narrative you can’t otherwise defend.

oh, and by the way, I continue to laugh about the fact you don’t understand that a team scoring TDs has to do with a lot more than who is holding the ball in the end zone.

Well he'll be the starting te so he'll draw a tougher cover guy. He'll score a few tds against scrub teams in blowout games or losing fashion. But any games against good teams or defenders and he'll get schooled just like Witten. Hes a checkdown te who has no winning attributes and hes not a dominant receiver but he'll play all the passing snaps like hes a stud. This stupid offense is going nowhere with this 12 personell passing crap if it doesnt change

 

[OmerV]

Well he'll be the starting te so he'll draw a tougher cover guy. He'll score a few tds against scrub teams in blowout games or losing fashion. But any games against good teams or defenders and he'll get schooled just like Witten. Hes a checkdown te who has no winning attributes and hes not a dominant receiver but he'll play all the passing snaps like hes a stud. This stupid offense is going nowhere with this 12 personell passing crap if it doesnt change

lol - okay Mr. Swami. Your first sentence, admittedly is true, but you have no idea how he will fare as the starting TE.

Your double standard is funny in that you admit circumstances will be different in terms of how he will be viewed by opposing defenses, but for the sake of your narrative you ignore that circumstances will also be different in terms of how he will be used. He will no longer be the 2nd TE and 5th or 6th receiving option for the team to consider, he will be game planned into the offense with a bigger role than before.

 

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You just blindly make up whatever suits you with no regard for accuracy.

Jarwin has 6 TDs in 827 career snaps for an average of 1 TD for every 138 snaps.

And, again, this is with Jarwin as the #2 TE, which he will not be this year.

By the way, Julio Jones, a player who, without question, is considered one of the elite receivers in football, had 6 TDS in 834 attempts last year.

But back to your blatant misrepresentation of facts - how is it fair for you to say Jarwin only scores once every 500 snaps when actual facts prove a very different story? Of course, it’s not fair, it’s you creating a fantasy story to fit a narrative you can’t otherwise defend.

oh, and by the way, I continue to laugh about the fact you don’t understand that a team scoring TDs has to do with a lot more than who is holding the ball in the end zone.

Somebody has to hold the ball in the end zone. If hes playing all those red zone snaps he needs to be scoring more consistently. Im not impressed with his deep ball or red zone skills but his yacs arent too bad on those checkdowns. Not when it matters of course. Quit trying to compare julio jones to jarwin. He draws a top defender and double teams. Our tes get containment coverage which leads to easy completions You push alot of completion averages and yards in meaningless games.

lol - okay Mr. Swami. Your first sentence, admittedly is true, but you have no idea how he will fare as the starting TE.

Your double standard is funny in that you admit circumstances will be different in terms of how he will be viewed by opposing defenses, but for the sake of your narrative you ignore that circumstances will also be different in terms of how he will be used. He will no longer be the 2nd TE and 5th or 6th receiving option for the team to consider, he will be game planned into the offense with a bigger role than before.

Ok. This dual te Dominant passing scheme hasnt done squat since the Gronk and Hernandez days. They had 2 studs at te. Now they dont. You wont see belichek sticking w the same 12 formations without Gronk and Hernandez. Hell go 5 wide w some weapons w different skillset. He'll rotate his personnel. He'll jerk ya out when ya go cold. Monotony is a recipe for disaster in this league

 

[OmerV]

Somebody has to hold the ball in the end zone. If hes playing all those red zone snaps he needs to be scoring more consistently. Im not impressed with his deep ball or red zone skills but his yacs arent too bad on those checkdowns. Not when it matters of course. Quit trying to compare julio jones to jarwin. He draws a top defender and double teams. Our tes get containment coverage which leads to easy completions You push alot of completion averages and yards in meaningless games.


Ok. This dual te Dominant passing scheme hasnt done squat since the Gronk and Hernandez days. They had 2 studs at te. Now they dont. You wont see belichek sticking w the same 12 formations without Gronk and Hernandez. Hell go 5 wide w some weapons w different skillset. He'll rotate his personnel. He'll jerk ya out when ya go cold. Monotony is a recipe for disaster in this league

Yes, somebody has to hold the ball in the end zone, but it doesn't have to be the same person over and over, and the person that isn't holding the ball in the end zone was not irrelevant to how the ball got to the end zone. That's the point (or one of several points) your fantasy football view of the NFL doesn't understand.

I didn't compare Jones to JArwin - as usual, you missed the point. The point was, and I'll try to type slowly so you get it, is that there is more to judging a player than how many times he stands in the end zone holding the ball, and that even truly elite players don't always have big TD numbers.

Read slowly, learn, understand …

As for a TE dominant passing scheme, what the hell are you talking about? The TE hasn't been the dominant receiver on the Cowboys in a number of years - not ince Witten was in his prime. The WR's have been the dominant element. I haven't said anything that would suggest that would change.

The team may occasionally go with 5 WRs in a formation - the Cowboys have done that at times in the past, and may in the future. That isn't something you just made up on your own. But it isn't, nor should it be, a frequent part of the offense, and, of course, even when that happens, one of the guys split out will likely be Jawin anyway.

 

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Yes, somebody has to hold the ball in the end zone, but it doesn't have to be the same person over and over, and the person that isn't holding the ball in the end zone was not irrelevant to how the ball got to the end zone. That's the point (or one of several points) your fantasy football view of the NFL doesn't understand.

I didn't compare Jones to JArwin - as usual, you missed the point. The point was, and I'll try to type slowly so you get it, is that there is more to judging a player than how many times he stands in the end zone holding the ball, and that even truly elite players don't always have big TD numbers.

Read slowly, learn, understand …

As for a TE dominant passing scheme, what the hell are you talking about? The TE hasn't been the dominant receiver on the Cowboys in a number of years - not ince Witten was in his prime. The WR's have been the dominant element. I haven't said anything that would suggest that would change.

The team may occasionally go with 5 WRs in a formation - the Cowboys have done that at times in the past, and may in the future. That isn't something you just made up on your own. But it isn't, nor should it be, a frequent part of the offense, and, of course, even when that happens, one of the guys split out will likely be Jawin anyway.

11 personnel 100% of all passing snaps.
12 personnel 25% of passing snaps.

The snapcounts are dominant #s Esp in tje red zone where its their primary formation. They never use dual rbs or dual slot wrs. Not even in hurry up mode. Lol.

Even a hof te like #82 had no biz running routes in the red zone and 3rd and 15. Hes got no 50/50 ball skills. He occasionally scoring against scrubs when they slip on a banana peel is not grounds for an everydown passing role.

When you have a te w no sauce ya bench him for a better rb or slot wr on certain downs and distances. . And ya beat them w speed and yacs. Ya gotta try something cuz all those great roles you talk about these tes have has led us to mediocracy. They never even gave a dual rb passing attack or a dual slot wr 10 personel even a shot on a hail mary or hurry up or 3rd and 24. Thats a dominated te passing offense.

We dont even have a winning 11 personnel grouping much less a 12 personnel and ya wonder why our offense cant score or win

Its not Swaim, hannas, escobar or wittens fault they arent a stud receiver. Use their good skillsets and bench them on 3rd and long and in the red zone if they cant put up the benchmarks.

The run n shoot offense is just as one dimensional and monotonous as our dual te system because the scheme never changes. You cant leave a bunch of scrub tes to dominate snaps if the cant win ya nothing bro

The old oiler run n shoot scheme was better than this trash outdated scheme. At least they had 6 bonified weapons on every play. Not 4 lol. The run n shoot was too one dimensional down after down but still a good part time scheme.

Thats exactly how i feel about our scheme. It works against scrubs but doesnt dominate any contenders. Theres no winning associated with teams who use a dual te system or everydown te with swaim or #82s talent. Their lack of talent as a receiver lost us games if they ran routes and came up short. Js

 

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Yes, somebody has to hold the ball in the end zone, but it doesn't have to be the same person over and over, and the person that isn't holding the ball in the end zone was not irrelevant to how the ball got to the end zone. That's the point (or one of several points) your fantasy football view of the NFL doesn't understand.

I didn't compare Jones to JArwin - as usual, you missed the point. The point was, and I'll try to type slowly so you get it, is that there is more to judging a player than how many times he stands in the end zone holding the ball, and that even truly elite players don't always have big TD numbers.

Read slowly, learn, understand …

As for a TE dominant passing scheme, what the hell are you talking about? The TE hasn't been the dominant receiver on the Cowboys in a number of years - not ince Witten was in his prime. The WR's have been the dominant element. I haven't said anything that would suggest that would change.

The team may occasionally go with 5 WRs in a formation - the Cowboys have done that at times in the past, and may in the future. That isn't something you just made up on your own. But it isn't, nor should it be, a frequent part of the offense, and, of course, even when that happens, one of the guys split out will likely be Jawin anyway.

Ya leave them 2 tes out there that cant score and thats 2 less players to carry the scoring averages. The scoring averages arent gonna differentiate that much from year to year.

We gotta get a better receiving te core if they gonna be the main attraction by snaps. Esp in the red zone. Our red zone offense is the worst ever cuz our te core sucks.

We dont have a beast red zone receiver like dez we got an 7-8td a year #1 amari cooper. We need a scoring weapon. Lol. Not a checkdown possession receiving te

 

[OmerV]

Ya leave them 2 tes out there that cant score and thats 2 less players to carry the scoring averages. The scoring averages arent gonna differentiate that much from year to year.

Again, they don't use 2 TE's every down, and despite the fact I have proven that to you, you still cling to that so you can fabricate an otherwise none-existent argument.

Short yardage situations they will often use 2 TE's, but in most long yardage situations they will not. But that reality doesn't fit your narrative, so you just make up whatever suits you.

And, you are, again, ignoring Jarwin's new role, and again, failing to show any understanding of football. And, you still ignore that prorated out Jarwin's TD total would be about 7 a year even as the #2 TE option, and you still have never answered the question of what #4 or 5 WR would score more or gain more yardage.

 

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Again, they don't use 2 TE's every down, and despite the fact I have proven that to you, you still cling to that so you can fabricate an otherwise none-existent argument.

Short yardage situations they will often use 2 TE's, but in most long yardage situations they will not. But that reality doesn't fit your narrative, so you just make up whatever suits you.

And, you are, again, ignoring Jarwin's new role, and again, failing to show any understanding of football. And, you still ignore that prorated out Jarwin's TD total would be about 7 a year even as the #2 TE option, and you still have never answered the question of what #4 or 5 WR would score more or gain more yardage.

They use 1 te on 100% of the snaps. That is a dominant te scheme.

The 12 personnel is just the icing on the cake. Both are trash. When ya have a 4 td te core

That 12 personnel is a running scheme. It causes our passing offense to suck. Why are ya arguing. Our te core has 4-5 td a year avgs. If they scored against a good team once a decade its cuz they got lucky and the defender crapped his drawers.

All i see is a bunch of tes that cant challege a top defender if he draws one at all. How their D guards our O is symbolic of just how little sauce this te core has had in 10 years. That why they suck. They wouldnt score at all if we played good teams every week.

 

[OmerV]

They use 1 te on 100% of the snaps. That is a dominant te scheme.

The 12 personnel is just the icing on the cake. Both are trash. When ya have a 4 td te core

That 12 personnel is a running scheme. It causes our passing offense to suck. Why are ya arguing. Our te core has 4-5 td a year avgs. If they scored against a good team once a decade its cuz they got lucky and the defender crapped his drawers.

All i see is a bunch of tes that cant challege a top defender if he draws one at all. How their D guards our O is symbolic of just how little sauce this te core has had in 10 years. That why they suck. They wouldnt score at all if we played good teams every week.

They use 2-3 WRs on 100% of the snaps - so how is TE dominant? lol

And yes, they use a TE every down, and, anyone that understands the TE position knows why. You are clueless on the position, so you don't.

 

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They use 2-3 WRs on 100% of the snaps - so how is TE dominant? lol

And yes, they use a TE every down, and, anyone that understands the TE position knows why. You are clueless on the position, so you don't.

They arent worthy to play every passing snap. They cant win any contested battles. They need substitution on 3rd and long and in tje red zone passing game. 4-5 tds against the worst team in the league on 500 snaps is not a winning formula.

The offense dictates how the defense lines up. If we line up Dak, Zeke cooper Gallop Lamb w Austin/Pollard/Jarwin and rotate the last 3 wed be better off. Jarwin is not as good as Austin or pollard bro.

Whatever his dynamic receiving skillset ya think he has is not better than these other 2 players.

 

[OmerV]

They arent worthy to play every passing snap. They cant win any contested battles. They need substitution on 3rd and long and in tje red zone passing game. 4-5 tds against the worst team in the league on 500 snaps is not a winning formula.

The offense dictates how the defense lines up. If we line up Dak, Zeke cooper Gallop Lamb w Austin/Pollard/Jarwin and rotate the last 3 wed be better off. Jarwin is not as good as Austin or pollard bro.

Whatever his dynamic receiving skillset ya think he has is not better than these other 2 players.

lol - I can't argue with someone that only understands fantasy football, ignores actual facts, makes up his own version of things and passes them off as facts, hides from legitimate questions, and doesn't get that the various parts of the team fit together to make it all work. Hell, you are arguing not only with me, but the entire NFL. You are on your own with this.

 

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lol - I can't argue with someone that only understands fantasy football, ignores actual facts, makes up his own version of things and passes them off as facts, hides from legitimate questions, and doesn't get that the various parts of the team fit together to make it all work. Hell, you are arguing not only with me, but the entire NFL. You are on your own with this.

If the patriots had blake jarwin hed play 20% of all passing snaps. Bill belichek would never leave a one dimensional skillset player with 2-3 tds to play every passing snap. Players with better skillsets would be inserted and Jarwin would be sitting alot of those passing snaps. Same w witten. You dont send a checkdowner out tbere to run a deep route. Lol. Its stupid. Especially if he cant go up and get a ball

We are giving Jarwin a shot to be a #82 in his prime or a Kelce, graham, Gronk, kittle. But hes not gonna be that guy. Ill bet ya a nickle against a quarter for all youd like to donate! Lol. What we have is a sorry receiving te core. None have any biz playing even 50% of any passing snaps. Their open rate catch rate and scoring rate is subpar.

Give me some real stats on those three categories

Who was the defender and team when he was producing his #'s and was it a meaningful game winning team or defender.
We watched swaim muster up 1 td all year as that everydown te. He was given the everydown te role also and we sucked

Use his role sparingly. He has no sauce. Sorry. You use the best player for that down and distance. Just cuz hes the te doesnt mean every formation we run should include a subpar skilled player

 

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If we had 5 jerry rices youd find a stupid excuse to use the 1-2 te sets. Your mind is warped. Belichek would bench those tes and go 5 wide i promise ya.

 

[OmerV]

If we had 5 jerry rices youd find a stupid excuse to use the 1-2 te sets. Your mind is warped. Belichek would bench those tes and go 5 wide i promise ya.

You just cemented your status as a mindless, clueless poster.