Trade Roy Williams...

[ManicDepressiveMan]

Roy has all the talent in the world, but the reality of the situation is that he doesn't want to work hard to maximize it.

He is fat, lazy, slow, and stupid right now.

Someone needs to teach him some work ethic before his career passes him by.

 

[Bleu Star]

now!He is the hole in the secondary ,and it is quite obvious for years now.Being a pro bowler we would get a nice exchange for him.He is bad in the 3-4,just horrible.Either that or go back to 4-3.or 4-6.

You're missing the boat. Trade Mike Zimmer.

 

[NickZepp]

Every team in the NFL would rather have Roy Williams then their safety outside of Baltimore and maybe Pittsburgh. If you watched whatever his name is in Pittsburgh he had a terrible year too.

The problem isn't Roy it's that he has no free safety. He looked so much better when Darren Woodson was there. Since he retired Dallas hasn't had a free safety as good as he was. Also early this year when Dallas had a pass rush Williams looked pretty decent.

Also the last reason why Williams hasn't looked great is that the defensive coordinator and the 3-4 system doesn't put him in as many blitz packages. Football isn't a one player game. It's a team thing. The team isn't as good on defense.

 

[mmillman]

I said two years ago that Williams would be a better OLB in a 4-3 defense than he is a safety. Williams is paid waaaaaaaay to much money to be that much of a liability.

 

[CM Duck]

funny, everyone was singing his praises his first 2-3 yrs in the league. remember? when they were actually putting him close to the LOS so he can pressure the QB and wreak havoc in the backfield.

now, the gameplan hardly consists of that and everyone says he is washed up.

i say, get a new DC(an asst from pittsburgh?) who would know how to use a player's talents. like they use Palumala's

still, didn't he have the most INTs on the team this season?

 

[neosapien23]

funny, everyone was singing his praises his first 2-3 yrs in the league. remember? when they were actually putting him close to the LOS so he can pressure the QB and wreak havoc in the backfield.

now, the gameplan hardly consists of that and everyone says he is washed up.

i say, get a new DC(an asst from pittsburgh?) who would know how to use a player's talents. like they use Palumala's

still, didn't he have the most INTs on the team this season?

He was also 220 lbs his first 2 to 3 years in the league. I remember he being able to run stride for stride with Jimmy Smith his rookie year. Now he can't even cover a TE or running back. He needs to take a look at himself in the offseason an take weight off.

 

[DawnOfANewD]

Give Roy a decent FS to work with like FA Ken Hamlin, and maybe Roy will thrive with having less coverage responsibility.

 

[STSINAZ]

you cant trade him..9 million dollar cap hit...something like that...he has to be pulled from the nickel along with bradie...then maybe he'll get some coverage skills

 

[neosapien23]

Give Roy a decent FS to work with like FA Ken Hamlin, and maybe Roy will thrive with having less coverage responsibility.

Roy needs to cover, he is a safety not a linebacker. Thats like saying give Jason Wittten less blocking assignements and he will flourish. I don't know why everyone is saying getting a descent FS. Didn't Watkins play well last night. I don't remember him getting beat, but I could be wrong.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Roy = misused since he got here. Want proof? He can't cover and still gets pupt in coverage. The same bunch of idiots put Ware out on a WR. See sig.

 

[dbair1967]

now!He is the hole in the secondary ,and it is quite obvious for years now.Being a pro bowler we would get a nice exchange for him.He is bad in the 3-4,just horrible.Either that or go back to 4-3.or 4-6.

if he is a hole in our secondary, why would anybody want him?

and if somebody were to give up a 1st (or a "nice exchange" for him (which any team probably would) whats that tell you?

seriously people...it aint the players...there are teams with FAR lesser players doing alot better...why cant we? (a freaking turnip could have enough sense to answer this)

David

 

[dbair1967]

I thought we had decent pressure last night.

we had a few plays with pressure, but for the most part Hasselback had plenty of time just like every other QB we play

they gave up 49 sacks in 16 games...we got none

David

 

[dbair1967]

I'm sick of Roy...

He's not making any big plays, keeps giving up TDs, and apparently can't face the criticism any more

guess we better trade the other 10 guys then too huh?



David

 

[Gaede]

guess we better trade the other 10 guys then too huh?



David

dude, something is seriously wrong with Roy...Either he's injured or he's lost it. He hasn't shown any fire, passion or even abililty in the last month.

Even when he is close to the line of scrimmage and has an opportunity to make a big tackle--he hasn't...He has occasionally been placed in a position where he used to succeed (blitzing, run stopping) but he hasn't done anything there either

Of course the scheme is crap when it calls for Roy to cover receivers and TEs; the mistakes he makes here are somewhat understandable since Roy is obviously out of his element. But unfortunately, we haven't seen Roy make the big plays, ones that he used to, to counter all of these mistakes.

People talk about how great he was when Woody was here--but that was years ago! We can only go by what we see NOW! He hasn't made plays and just looks genuinely disinterested...

 

[dbair1967]

dude, something is seriously wrong with Roy...Either he's injured or he's lost it. He hasn't shown any fire, passion or even abililty in the last month.

Even when he is close to the line of scrimmage and has an opportunity to make a big tackle--he hasn't...He has occasionally been placed in a position where he used to succeed (blitzing, run stopping) but he hasn't done anything there either

Of course the scheme is crap when it calls for Roy to cover receivers and TEs; the mistakes he makes here are somewhat understandable since Roy is obviously out of his element. But unfortunately, we haven't seen Roy make the big plays, ones that he used to, to counter all of these mistakes.

People talk about how great he was when Woody was here--but that was years ago! We can only go by what we see NOW! He hasn't made plays and just looks genuinely disinterested...

he's at the top of the league at his position in turnovers, arnt those big plays?

the scheme is garbage...he was drafted because of the way he played in college where he was a dominant, game changing player...if they werent going to use him the same way they should have never drafted him to begin with....good (ie, smart) defensive coaches make their schemes fit the talent at hand...we dont do that here, with any of our guys

David

 

[Big D]

He got beat by Stevens on one TD. The last TD was James' responsibility. If Roy doesn't play over the top, then Seattle has an easy TD to the WR running down the right sideline.

Zimmer is predictable. I was telling my friends that when the game gets tight, Zimmer will go to a Cover 2 and Seattle will eventually throw at Bradie for big gains. And then about 2 minutes later Holmgren has Stevens blow by Bradie with a seam route and it's a TD.

Roy is the least of our problems. We have bigger issues with pass rush, Bradie and a D-Coordinator worth a damn on defense.



YAKUZA

Bingo! Bradie is killing us. He's late in recognizing plays and is too slow to do anything about it once he does.

 

[dbair1967]

Bingo! Bradie is killing us. He's late in recognizing plays and is too slow to do anything about it once he does.

not a ILB/MLB in football who can cover a 6'7 TE that runs 4.6 30+ yds downfield

its just stupid defense...I can see how it could happen in certain situations, but it happens all the time here...we constantly end up with ILB's or our safeties running deep downfield with other teams best receivers or TE...I dotn see many, if any other teams that this happens so much on

David

 

[Gaede]

he's at the top of the league at his position in turnovers, arnt those big plays?

the scheme is garbage...he was drafted because of the way he played in college where he was a dominant, game changing player...if they werent going to use him the same way they should have never drafted him to begin with....good (ie, smart) defensive coaches make their schemes fit the talent at hand...we dont do that here, with any of our guys

David

he made those plays in the first half of the season. Roy stopped producing at some point and hasn't looked the same since. I'm willing to bet he's injured, cause his tackling recently has been ordinary.

but again, we can't keep talking about what Roy used to do...To often we say, 'oh, but Roy was awesome with a free safety!' (what four years ago?) or
'Roy was dominant in college!' (even more in the past). All we can do is evaluate what we see now; whether or not the scheme and the coaching have taken the killer instinct out of him is unimportant. The only important thing is that the playmaker is gone, now, and hasn't shown any signs of resurfacing

 

[dbair1967]

he made those plays in the first half of the season. Roy stopped producing at some point and hasn't looked the same since. I'm willing to bet he's injured, cause his tackling recently has been ordinary.

but again, we can't keep talking about what Roy used to do...To often we say, 'oh, but Roy was awesome with a free safety!' (what four years ago?) or
'Roy was dominant in college!' (even more in the past). All we can do is evaluate what we see now; whether or not the scheme and the coaching have taken the killer instinct out of him is unimportant. The only important thing is that the playmaker is gone, now, and hasn't shown any signs of resurfacing

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt...I KNOW our coaches are a huge liability

I've seen too much for too long...these guys couldnt coach their way out of a wet paperbag

David

 

[Big D]

not a ILB/MLB in football who can cover a 6'7 TE that runs 4.6 30+ yds downfield

its just stupid defense...I can see how it could happen in certain situations, but it happens all the time here...we constantly end up with ILB's or our safeties running deep downfield with other teams best receivers or TE...I dotn see many, if any other teams that this happens so much on

David

Agreed .. but when you have flawed system I don't think putting big, dumb, slow players in key positions helps.