Trade Value: What would it take to get from 22 to 3?

[COWBOYSNUM1]

More than I would be willing to give up. If we move up to get a RB, it will be Lynch. If we were to move up to #3 pick, why not get Calvin Johnson????

 

[sjordan6]

Have a look here: http://www.thewarpath.net/2005nfldraftvaluechart.htm

Every pick gets his own value interpreted by an amount of points. To move up to the desired pick you have to be able to provide the necessary amount of points through your picks you wish to trade.

I don't know if the values in this chart a fixed values or if they change from year to year. I saw some other charts that had the same values on it so it looks like they are fixed but like i mentioned i am not quite sure. EDIT: They have to change simply because there are not always the same amount of players entering the draft. But i guess there are some cornerstones that won't be changed for example #1 will always be 3k points

This is no official value chart. As i remember it this chart was made by a Head Coach or some staff simply to make life easier for them on draft day. But as much as i know it it has some guide value for most NFL teams.

So with Cleveland having the third pick @ 2200 points...the cowboy having the 22 pick @ 780 then the cowboys would have to add up the value of all their drafts picks in each round that they have that would add up to the 2200 points for the third pick? And I assume that the first round pick for next season would be equal to the beginning of the 2nd round when you consider the points?

I wonder what kind of points do a player like Julius Jones get? He has to be worth at least 300-400 points with him being a thousand yard rusher.

 

[Hostile]

More than I would be willing to give up. If we move up to get a RB, it will be Lynch. If we were to move up to #3 pick, why not get Calvin Johnson????

I still think the Raiders would be foolish not to take him at #1 and get their QB in round 2.

 

[Shuttemdown41]

More than I would be willing to give up. If we move up to get a RB, it will be Lynch. If we were to move up to #3 pick, why not get Calvin Johnson????

If they're going to give up the farm to get up that high it had better be for CJ and no one else!

 

[joseephuss]

By the way what did the Seahawks get out of all that?
G Steve August, T Tom Lynch, LB Terry Beeson
and Dallas got TD

I thought they got Jim Zorn, QB.

 

[Doomsday101]

I thought they got Jim Zorn, QB.

Zorn was drafted in 76. I had thought the same thing.

 

[joseephuss]

Well his first injury was an ankle injury that just happens to players and the collarbone was a fluke injury after a touchdown. I just dont see how he gets that label. The same can be said (or was said) about jones until he played all season last year. He has never missed a game because of injury until he turned pro. But two straight seasons of fluke and "caught a bad break" type injuries and then he couldnt stay healthy.

His injuries are not hamstring or bad knees type injuries. Plus he was the complete and total offense for the Sooners his last two years. Can we say Earl Campbell? Actually he will probably do better here because he will only get it about 20 carries a game and not have to carry the load. I dont see his health as the issue

No, his first injury his freshman season was a shoulder injury. The ankle was his sophomore season and the collarbone his junior season.

The same was said about Jones, but Julius was at least doing it at the NFL level. Peterson may not average the same number of carries per game in the pros, but he will play more games including pre-season and get more total carries and hits. The guy is very good, but there is some legitamite concern with durability.

 

[sjordan6]

Peterson is the ultimate gamble, because he could be great or he could be Kijana Carter. That scares me away given what would have to be sacrificed to get up high enough to get him.

Thats not fair to compare Peterson to Kijana Carter. If thats the case then every player can get hurt in thier first pre-season pro game. The whole draft is a gamble and no one can ever predict greatness but you grade players based on thier history and draft and pay them on those grades.

peterson is probably the second highest rated player in this draft and if it wasnt for a freak like Calvin Johnson then he would be the highest. Like i have said before some players are worth the gamble and sometimes you get lucky. this is one of those times you take the gamble and trading two first rounders and julius is worth the gamble.

 

[COWBOYSNUM1]

I still think the Raiders would be foolish not to take him at #1 and get their QB in round 2.

And we know the Raiders wouldn't do anything foolish, would they? :shades:

 

[cobra]

If Peterson did not have health questions, he would be a lock as the #1 pick. The only reason he is "falling" past the top 3 is the health reasons.

 

[Clove]

If they're going to give up the farm to get up that high it had better be for CJ and no one else!

Hallelujah Holla Back.

 

[TwentyOne]

So with Cleveland having the third pick @ 2200 points...the cowboy having the 22 pick @ 780 then the cowboys would have to add up the value of all their drafts picks in each round that they have that would add up to the 2200 points for the third pick?

Yep. I didn't sum up all of Dallas' points but i guess it would be very very expensive to trade up to #3. IMO Dallas doesn't even consider such a kind of trade it's simply not economical draft wise.

And I assume that the first round pick for next season would be equal to the beginning of the 2nd round when you consider the points?

If i were Cleveland and considered a deal with Dallas then a Dallas #1 pick in '08 for me would have the worth of a pick in the mid 20 range. Simply because i consider Dallas to be a playoff team.

I wonder what kind of points do a player like Julius Jones get? He has to be worth at least 300-400 points with him being a thousand yard rusher.

I don't want to start another Julius is a good/great/bum back. But i wouldn't invest more then a mid 3rd round pick for him. That'd be about 200 points. Maybe another trader sees more in JJ - would be OK for me as a Dallas fan ;-)

 

[Shuttemdown41]

Hallelujah Holla Back.

Is that you John Brown? :

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I agree Peterson will be great! I just don't believe Cleveland will take anything we would offer

 

[Clove]

Is that you John Brown? :

That was my boy, I wanted him to win.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Thats not fair to compare Peterson to Kijana Carter. If thats the case then every player can get hurt in thier first pre-season pro game. The whole draft is a gamble and no one can ever predict greatness but you grade players based on thier history and draft and pay them on those grades.

peterson is probably the second highest rated player in this draft and if it wasnt for a freak like Calvin Johnson then he would be the highest. Like i have said before some players are worth the gamble and sometimes you get lucky. this is one of those times you take the gamble and trading two first rounders and julius is worth the gamble.

Of course it is fair to compare him to KiJana Carter, I am using it as an example of the worse case scenario for Peterson (you glossed over the fact that I said he could be great I guess). I am worried about him being injury prone and you like him, so you feel it is unfair. I respect that this is your opinion, but it is only your opinion, much the same as mine.

Carter was heralded as a Superstar coming into the NFL after carrying Penn State to the Rose Bowl. He was taken number one overall. Experts felt the Bengals were "bold" in moving up to get him. Some had him pegged as the next Barry Sanders. He was derailed by a knee injury three plays into his first preseason game and it was followed by more injuries. He became "oft injured".

I think Peterson will either be great or not be great depending on if he can stay healthy. Many people feel that is exactly what happened to Carter, as he never recovered from his first knee injury.

In my book, I don't think it is a good gamble to give up what Dallas would have to give up in order to take that risk.

Yet again, my opinion.

 

[LatinMind]

I am continueing to listen and read all the reports about Julius Jones getting traded and who we will get or what we will get in return. Now it is no secret that Adrian Peterson is THE back of the draft and please I dont want to hear all the BS about how he cant stay healthy. The guy is a stud and has been a stud since he was the top back coming out of high school. He has the size,speed, attitude and simply can do it all. Hell he is as good as a sure thing as Calvin Johnson!

Now with that said I would like to hear what would it take to trade up from our draft position of 22 to get to the number 3 spot to draft him.

Although Cleveland has sign Jamal Lewis and traded Droughns, they still could use a quality back in this new two back league. I say we trade Jones to Cleveland and a second and fifth round pick.

Or trade Jones and a Canty plus a third and fifth round pick.

I would like to hear what are some past trades that teams have done to move up 19 spots in the first round. I know it all goes by a point system but trading Jones and maybe another "B" player may get the deal done.

Jones is good but Peterson is that SPECIAL player like Emmitt and Dorsett.

why would you trade up to get a rb @3 if u dont plan on using him the majority of the time? why pick a rb @3 to play half the time? as he;ll never see the endzone or 3rd down. as barber plays that role.

 

[dbair1967]

I am continueing to listen and read all the reports about Julius Jones getting traded and who we will get or what we will get in return. Now it is no secret that Adrian Peterson is THE back of the draft and please I dont want to hear all the BS about how he cant stay healthy. The guy is a stud and has been a stud since he was the top back coming out of high school. He has the size,speed, attitude and simply can do it all. Hell he is as good as a sure thing as Calvin Johnson!

Now with that said I would like to hear what would it take to trade up from our draft position of 22 to get to the number 3 spot to draft him.

Although Cleveland has sign Jamal Lewis and traded Droughns, they still could use a quality back in this new two back league. I say we trade Jones to Cleveland and a second and fifth round pick.

Or trade Jones and a Canty plus a third and fifth round pick.

I would like to hear what are some past trades that teams have done to move up 19 spots in the first round. I know it all goes by a point system but trading Jones and maybe another "B" player may get the deal done.

Jones is good but Peterson is that SPECIAL player like Emmitt and Dorsett.

Peterson right now is nowhere close to what Tony Dorsett was coming out of Pitt...

and if Jones wants Peterson, he wont have to move up to 3 to get him...he isnt going #1 or #2...Cleveland IMO will take wither Quinn, Thomas or Johnson...Tampa, Arizona and Washington are definitely not taking RB's where they are....Minny isnt picking a RB and Houston just spent 24mils on Ahman Green...they like Quinn and they have a terrible OL, so RB isnt a major need there...Miami isnt taking a RB and niether is Atlanta or SF...

Buffalo is the first likely team to draft a RB, therefore as long as you get up just in front of them or to them (by trading with them)...then you'd get Peterson if you really wanted...I really think he might get out of the top-10

David

 

[joseephuss]

Peterson right now is nowhere close to what Tony Dorsett was coming out of Pitt...

and if Jones wants Peterson, he wont have to move up to 3 to get him...he isnt going #1 or #2...Cleveland IMO will take wither Quinn, Thomas or Johnson...Tampa, Arizona and Washington are definitely not taking RB's where they are....Minny isnt picking a RB and Houston just spent 24mils on Ahman Green...they like Quinn and they have a terrible OL, so RB isnt a major need there...Miami isnt taking a RB and niether is Atlanta or SF...

Buffalo is the first likely team to draft a RB, therefore as long as you get up just in front of them or to them (by trading with them)...then you'd get Peterson if you really wanted...I really think he might get out of the top-10

David

Or another team may trade up to get him since those top 10 teams aren't in dire need of a RB. It would suck to trade up to #3 and then some other team trade up to #2 and draft him.

 

[Big Dakota]

Yep. I didn't sum up all of Dallas' points but i guess it would be very very expensive to trade up to #3. IMO Dallas doesn't even consider such a kind of trade it's simply not economical draft wise.



If i were Cleveland and considered a deal with Dallas then a Dallas #1 pick in '08 for me would have the worth of a pick in the mid 20 range. Simply because i consider Dallas to be a playoff team.



I don't want to start another Julius is a good/great/bum back. But i wouldn't invest more then a mid 3rd round pick for him. That'd be about 200 points. Maybe another trader sees more in JJ - would be OK for me as a Dallas fan ;-)

You do realize next years #1 is equal to a #2 this year, points wise. Considering the Cowboys are a 5-1 bet to win the NFC, i'd think their #1 next year would be worth a LOW #2 this year, or in the 300 point range. Certainly no more than 400. Like you and i both said earlier, it just isn't feasible to go from #22 to #3 unless you are willinbg to do a Ricky Williams type deal. If he slips down towards #8-#10 and his value goes from 2200 to say 1400-1500, well then our #1 at 780, and JJ is worth maybe 300 and this years #2 is worth 370 that would get you very close.